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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:18 pm 
 

thez0rk wrote:
Okay, I understand the physical release rules in most instances...but my band has released its first digital only EP. Our release is sold on all the major digital distro sites, why does this make us less legitimate than someone who printed 100 copies of a CD-R?

These posts should answer your question.
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thez0rk
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:26 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
thez0rk wrote:
Okay, I understand the physical release rules in most instances...but my band has released its first digital only EP. Our release is sold on all the major digital distro sites, why does this make us less legitimate than someone who printed 100 copies of a CD-R?

These posts should answer your question.

Alright, well, it's your site and your rules, and I certainly understand your reasoning even if I disagree with the rule. I find the site and its content invaluable.

That being said, with physical releases not really being the primary medium for distributing this music, I respectfully ask that the rule be changed at some point in the future.

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Tyr von Eich
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:26 am 
 

I have the proof that "Dead in Ohio" exist. Please read the follow link.#


http://www.parocktikum.de/wiki/index.php/Dead_In_Ohio



Greetz Tyr

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Rob1
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:34 am 
 

Tyr von Eich wrote:
I have the proof that "Dead in Ohio" exist. Please read the follow link.#


http://www.parocktikum.de/wiki/index.php/Dead_In_Ohio



Greetz Tyr

I am not a moderator but that site clearly states that they are a Hardcore Band and that makes them unsuitable for the MA as far as I know the rules!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:47 am 
 

Rob1, please don't mini-mod. Hardcore or not, metal or not, it's for the staff to judge that, not for you to make claims based on what's written in some wiki.

Tyr von Eich wrote:
I have the proof that "Dead in Ohio" exist. Please read the follow link.#


http://www.parocktikum.de/wiki/index.php/Dead_In_Ohio



Greetz Tyr

Telling from the stuff on Myspace they're alternative/punk rock, not metal.
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Irish Metal
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:45 am 
 

Full Dark_Matter album is streaming on the METAL IRELAND website...
http://www.metalireland.com/2012/10/22/ ... ll-stream/

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oogboog
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:31 pm 
 

Does the link below work for anyone else? It's my proof of physical release, but UndeadIdiot claimed he was unable to view it.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8230 ... a132_b.jpg
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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:53 pm 
 

Why would it work for me if it didn't for him? (it doesn't)
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aeternus1990
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:59 pm 
 

oogboog wrote:
Does the link below work for anyone else? It's my proof of physical release, but UndeadIdiot claimed he was unable to view it.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8230 ... a132_b.jpg


Not working.

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oogboog
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:14 pm 
 

http://i46.tinypic.com/1zm00le.jpg
How about now?
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Fuegofatuo
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:47 pm 
 

oogboog wrote:
http://i46.tinypic.com/1zm00le.jpg
How about now?


It does work now.

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johnnyspys
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:17 pm 
 

I got a rejection for the band Naked Lunch. Now I realize there are a ton of bands out their named Naked Lunch, but they were around since 1991. Definitely metal (read the reviews). Perhaps you hit a video that is the austrian band (that came later) who definitely is not metal . If you need a music sample I can provide you an MP3. There were four official releases and 3 record contracts but it is hard to find the music. I should state the link for the review of the band, has the wrong video from a different band..that is not the Naked Lunch reported.
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:57 pm 
 

You submitted the band as "coldwave industrial", what the hell did you expect?

If it's a metal band... what kind of metal is it? And yes, do provide samples. You can upload mp3s on Dropbox or the likes.
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Charlo
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:36 pm 
 

Hey mods/admins,

The brutal death metal band Swine Overlord (https://www.facebook.com/SwineOverlord?ref=stream) had a demo CD that they sent to labels who would only accept physical copies. When they posted about it on Facebook, some fans wanted some, and it looks like at least one demo got shipped to a fan, so does that count as a physical release? Here's the pic and comments: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 993&type=1

The band also has an EP that was only released digitally, so that doesn't count.

Thanks!

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johnnyspys
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:45 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
You submitted the band as "coldwave industrial", what the hell did you expect?

If it's a metal band... what kind of metal is it? And yes, do provide samples. You can upload mp3s on Dropbox or the likes.


Well Coldwave was the term used for Guitar/Metal based industrial. It was an Industrial Metal band (or coldwave). What dropbox account would you like me to upload the music? I can create files for you on my account if you pm me the email you wish to use and I can invite you to my account.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:52 pm 
 

You can link folders, there's no need to invite anyone. Also, coldwave is not linked to metal, it's more based on post punk so I say there's no big chances the band get approved, but you can link the songs here or send them to Morrigan.
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:39 pm 
 

Ehh yes link the songs, do not PM me. :lol:
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johnnyspys
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:55 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
You can link folders, there's no need to invite anyone. Also, coldwave is not linked to metal, it's more based on post punk so I say there's no big chances the band get approved, but you can link the songs here or send them to Morrigan.


Should you not hear the music before you judge? https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/Naked%20Lunch
First and foremost, I am aware of the origins of the term relating back to post punk...however, the term coldwave was also used briefly for industrial metal. You can tell me I am wrong but there is plenty of evidence out there beyond a wikipedia entry. Just like industrial is really only traced back to Throbbing Gristle, but often people label Einsturzende Neubauten to NIN as industrial...when arguably these are "technically" not industrial.

Of course in the 80s people told me Napalm Death was not metal, and near was thrash music. So I guess everyone has their own definitions of metal

The point is you have hundreds of "industrial metal" bands on your website that sound similar to Naked Lunch so that is the only reason I thought to add the music.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:14 am 
 

That's why I told you to link the songs, to hear them. Anyway, you need to click "share the link" or something, you gave us the the url of your home folder.
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johnnyspys
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:04 am 
 

Try this link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/brkcapk0jx18hrx/73oCX1iiIJ
I am still newish to dropbox

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The_Black_Priest
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:46 am 
 

Porman had rejected this band i submitted.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dea ... 3540355915

The demo tape is sold out , Read this post :
http://www.facebook.com/InvictusProduct ... 5350407535

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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:46 am 
 

Just so I understand for the future - can someone let me know why this album was rejected and deleted after I added it?

http://misanthropicart.bandcamp.com/alb ... -of-terror

Misanthropic Art is a band already on the site, which means the physical release criteria no longer applies to individual albums as I understand it. It does clearly say on the page that they are looking for labels to release it. But the warning I got said to not post it because it hasn't been released yet. But it's on their bandcamp page, with three songs available for streaming. If I can listen to the songs, then that would be a release, wouldn't it? It's got a release date for the streams and artwork. I wouldn't have submitted it if it was for a band not on the site, but established bands are allowed to have digital only releases according to the rules as I understand them. If that one line that says they are shopping for a label wasn't there, I'm suspecting that this album would have been allowed to stay since you'd assume they were just posting it on-line.

I don't care about the points or anything like that - just wanted to see if I could get an explanation as to why this wasn't acceptable?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:12 am 
 

It doesn't seem to be a release, really, just a promo. It's on their Bandcamp, yeah, but the band doesn't view this as an official release. The band says they're still looking for a label to publish it. Fulgurius' warning also pretty much explains it. I've asked him to check your post regardless.
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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:15 am 
 

theunrelentingattack wrote:
Just so I understand for the future - can someone let me know why this album was rejected and deleted after I added it?

http://misanthropicart.bandcamp.com/alb ... -of-terror

Misanthropic Art is a band already on the site, which means the physical release criteria no longer applies to individual albums as I understand it. It does clearly say on the page that they are looking for labels to release it. But the warning I got said to not post it because it hasn't been released yet. But it's on their bandcamp page, with three songs available for streaming. If I can listen to the songs, then that would be a release, wouldn't it? It's got a release date for the streams and artwork. I wouldn't have submitted it if it was for a band not on the site, but established bands are allowed to have digital only releases according to the rules as I understand them. If that one line that says they are shopping for a label wasn't there, I'm suspecting that this album would have been allowed to stay since you'd assume they were just posting it on-line.

I don't care about the points or anything like that - just wanted to see if I could get an explanation as to why this wasn't acceptable?

Thanks

The release is not out yet. There is no label or release date for it. As you said, there are only three songs on bandcamp, so it's just a preview for promo purposes, not even a digital release (and the band is not after digital releases, it's clearly stated that they are looking for label to release it on CD). Read the rules next time.

In short, upcoming releases can be added if the cover art, label and release date are confirmed by official sources. Digital releases must have cover and fixed tracklist, and obviously should be available fully in digital form. Few songs posted on bandcamp don't make a digital release.

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:44 am 
 

A very important point, we DO NOT accept upcoming releases as proof of PR for bands NOT already on the Archives! If it's on MA, that means the band has at least published one metal album physically; at that point we have no problem with adding upcoming albums for that band, if - and only if - they have full information and that information is valid.

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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:00 pm 
 

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The release is not out yet. There is no label or release date for it. As you said, there are only three songs on bandcamp, so it's just a preview for promo purposes, not even a digital release (and the band is not after digital releases, it's clearly stated that they are looking for label to release it on CD). Read the rules next time.

In short, upcoming releases can be added if the cover art, label and release date are confirmed by official sources. Digital releases must have cover and fixed tracklist, and obviously should be available fully in digital form. Few songs posted on bandcamp don't make a digital release.


Okay, fair enough. Although I have read the rules many times, I guess this is a misunderstanding on my part. It has a cover, full tracklist and date on bandcamp and since that's the band's page, I'd assume that's an official source. But I can see your point since you can't download the entire record that it's not really out.

So though, even with the line that they are looking for a label - if all the songs had been posted and available for download, then it would have been considered a release, I assume?

Thanks for the explanation, I'll watch out for this stuff in the future.
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Porman
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:43 pm 
 

The_Black_Priest wrote:
Porman had rejected this band i submitted.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dea ... 3540355915

The demo tape is sold out , Read this post :
http://www.facebook.com/InvictusProduct ... 5350407535


Sold out on pre-order. Who knows what can happen until it's actually released? Rules are rules.
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DreadlockMocio
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:35 pm 
 

Hi! i contacted personally a band called Pestilence from Italy, they play pure 90's black metal, so it's impossible they were blacklisted, there's an homonime band that doesen't let me submit them. Please unblacklist the name Pestilence so i can submit this band, here the demo picture given to me by the band and a sample.
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIhVSD36P-k
- http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6q8dmw&s=6

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Verkur
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:58 pm 
 

Hey

now i recieved our cds. Can i post a picture here in this thread? We also got a review today from sludgelord :)

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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:04 pm 
 

Post the link to the images in the "Submission notes" of your draft and resubmit.
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kalervon
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:40 am 
 

I've never been a fan of the band TSPC, but I thought they played some kind of metal and belonged in this Encyclopedia. They've been rejected and after reading the description of how metalness is assessed, I have one question remaining:

If this track (which I submitted along with the band) is not metal, then what it is (what musical genre would you qualify it ?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QfrMBidj28
It's from 1995.

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:43 am 
 

Early nu-metal with a significant punk vibe.

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inpitch
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:41 am 
 

My band was rejected and black listed, but its metal, i can proof it!, plz take out m band for the black list, names band its Inpitch!

thank you!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:47 pm 
 

@DreadlockMocio: It was blacklisted because some guy was resubmitting it repeatedly without proof of physical release. I have removed it, but I'd advise you to gather some more evidence/information about distribution than that pic before you resubmit.

theunrelentingattack wrote:
So though, even with the line that they are looking for a label - if all the songs had been posted and available for download, then it would have been considered a release, I assume?

Well, it rather depends. What's the difference between all songs from the album and its cover uploaded and a "real" digital release? I think we'll have to go by how the band views it in that case. I'd say that even if the entire album was available for streaming/download, the remark about still looking for a label would have shown that the band doesn't consider this a real release (for now). It could have been added in the additional notes when or if the album had seen a release that's considered by the band as such.

@inpitch: What I heard was primarily ambient/acoustic. The band will stay blacklisted unless you have another physical release out featuring metal material AND can provide proof/samples.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:22 pm 
 

Hi there. We received an email in which you notify us that our submission was reject.

So, those are two pics of a physical copy of "Gearing":
- http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l559/Daniele_Ogre/20121204_220839.jpg
- http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l559/Daniele_Ogre/20121204_220932.jpg

And an audio sample taken from youtube (with the old line up): http://youtu.be/dGRXX4XPONg

We'll wait for your answer

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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:11 pm 
 

Was asked to post pictures of the physical cd of DeLizza, they were rejected because there was no physical cd available. I got this cd in Austin.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/pe ... -front.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/pe ... hCDout.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/pe ... hCDout.jpg

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kalervon
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:36 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
Early nu-metal with a significant punk vibe.
Did Led Zeppelin play early grunge with a significant stoner vibe? I'm not challenging the absence of Led Zeppelin on this website, I'm just illustrating the anachronism.

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sn0wb1ind0zzy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:47 pm 
 

I am curious as to why Buffalo (Australian Proto Stoner Metal) has been blacklisted as I have been unable to find any reason as to why? I just find it strange considering that bands such as Sir Lord Baltimore, Budgie, Deep Purple, and Rainbow are included on here, and yet Buffalo gets blacklisted. Their first three albums, specifically Volcanic Rock and Only Want You For Your Body are prime examples of prototypical stoner/doom metal and has been cited by many critics/bands as such. I feel that the decision to blacklist this band should be reevaluated.

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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:36 am 
 

kalervon wrote:
Derigin wrote:
Early nu-metal with a significant punk vibe.
Did Led Zeppelin play early grunge with a significant stoner vibe? I'm not challenging the absence of Led Zeppelin on this website, I'm just illustrating the anachronism.

Except that nu-metal started in the mid-90's, so your "anachronism" analogy is full of fail.

For fuck's sake, one of those TSPC songs had pretty much rapping in it, you don't get more mallcore than that.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:06 am 
 

sn0wb1ind0zzy wrote:
I am curious as to why Buffalo (Australian Proto Stoner Metal) has been blacklisted as I have been unable to find any reason as to why? I just find it strange considering that bands such as Sir Lord Baltimore, Budgie, Deep Purple, and Rainbow are included on here, and yet Buffalo gets blacklisted. Their first three albums, specifically Volcanic Rock and Only Want You For Your Body are prime examples of prototypical stoner/doom metal and has been cited by many critics/bands as such. I feel that the decision to blacklist this band should be reevaluated.

Buffalo were judged more rock than metal. They were pretty heavy for their time, but not especially so to warrant an exception. I listened to "Volcanic Rock" and some of their other stuff again not too long ago, thinking about maybe adding them; no doubt an awesome band and some parts can be pretty metal, but I'd consider them a heavy rock act, even within the context of their time. Things can get difficult to gauge there, I know.

Citing SLB, Deep Purple, etc... in support of your argument is a bad idea here. First, we don't compare artists, we judge them individually. Second, we're fully aware that those bands might be considered rock generally speaking, but some of them were included partly based on their historical importance. It's also clearly stated in the rules. You may argue that for Buffalo as well, but please respect our decision there.
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