Just checking on the status of East of the Wall's blacklisting. Their early material was purely post-rock but their last two albums on Transition Loss have been a (damn good) progressive post-metal/sludge sort of style if I'm not mistaken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXQpX58g55Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aH8Al17Ylw

There's a bit of a running gag in the chatroom that people submit EVERYTHING as "progressive post-metal" these days.

Alrighty, I resubmitted but forgot to change the genre.

I think I forgot to clear the submission notes though... if there is anything there about it just being a draft, ignore that xD

lol! Maybe there's a big resurgence that I'm not aware of.

I've tried to submit the band "Celestial Oblivion": http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cel ... 3540346336

The first time I submited the band haven't indeed a physical release, but this changed last week, they released the first EP through Depressive Illusions Records
which released a lot of bands accepted by encyclopedia metallum: http://www.metal-archives.com/labels/Depressive_Illusions_Records/52


So I re-sent with the corrections on the album's label but you have denied again... so here are the proofs:

http://depressiveillusions.com/search/node/celestial%20oblivion

http://depressiveillusions.com/items/tape/black-metal-pagan-metal/celestial-oblivion-cosmic-descent-prologue-human-plague



Thanks!

I would like to ask another thing about a band that i submit (Karacoma from Brunei), that was rejected and blacklisted. Their music was compared to Evanescence and shitty pop goth and qualified as not metal, but for my opinion they are metal, about the instruments i listen to influences from progressive to melodic heavy metal.. the only thing not metal are the vocals and some keyboard passages... i have the physical release picture.
here some songs:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzD3Xsj8K6Y
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaM-eMab ... ure=relmfu

I think they are alternative rock, the riffing seems to be metal at first, but it's not, anyway the guitars are not the main focus of the band, it's more the vocals who are the driven force of their music and they are clearly not metal. The physical release rule is not an issue and you know it. You like adding very borderline bands to the site...but Karacoma is simply not metal in my opinion

If another moderator wants to oppose my decision, feel free.

Metantoine, I've PMed you.

Okay, so the Vegan Black Metal Chef is releasing a physical DVD soon: http://www.merchlackey.com/veganblackmetalchef/?p=7258

Considering that all his videos are accompanied by originally composed metal, would this be an eligible band for the Archives?

Hope so, it would be nice to have the lyrics on MA

Called it already, sorry.

I didn't plan to submit him myself, you oaf. I just wanted to know if that DVD would be an eligible release, because I didn't know if it would be considered more of a television show than a musical album. Thanks for answering my question, anyways.

I'm sure this has already been asked before but, can anyone point me to a post that clears up the following scenario:

Band XY has a physical release, band gets approved and is now on here. Years later band XY decides to change name and a new band page has to be created. Does the same band have to have put out a seconds physical release (first under the new name) in order to get approved again? A purchasable digital single for the upcoming second physical release (first under the new name) is not enough?

It depends on whether the name change is significant enough or not. We don't have an exact standard for this (there's obviously much room for grey areas), but if it's something like "Battleship" to "Battleship 3000" or "Plastic" to "Plastique" then the old page is simply renamed and the additional notes adjusted / the releases under the old name marked as such. If it's "Gaywyre" to "Razorwyre" or "Waraxe" to "Motördildo" then yes, the new incarnation needs a new PR as well. Until then all there needs to be done is change the status of the old page to "changed name" and put "Changed name to XYZ." in the notes (possibly also add the new name to the AS).


No, the same rules apply to this new incarnation as to any other new band.

Ah ok, thanks for the heads up.

Hey guys. I was just about to add Disfiguring the Goddess but noticed they are blacklisted. I understand this is probably because in the past Cameron only released projects under that name online, but their newest release Sleeper had a physical release. It's definitely brutal death metal/slam with a pinch of djentcore, and I can't think of any other reasons why they should be kept off here.

Evidence of existence: http://img.electro-maniacs.net/93652.jpg

evidence of metalness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8EMQeUk ... creen&NR=1

I wanna be the guy to add this awesome band on here, so help me out!

EDIT: ugh nevermind, looked back enough pages and saw you guys still don't think it's metal. sigh, my bad I guess.

I'm a fan and I'm the one who kept them on the blacklist. Much as I'd have loved to see DTG on the 'Archives finally, I just couldn't bring myself to think of Sleeper as a BDM release. The other moderators agreed.

Sorry. Go nag Cameron to release Circle of Nine on vinyl or something.

Djentcore...

You know, in retrospect, I'm not even sure that Circle of Nine would be riffy enough for the Archives. It's a lot less rhythmic because it doesn't really have any djent/deathcore thrown in, but I remember it still being predominantly composed of slams with DM riffs being in the minority.

Circle of Nine is death metallic enough. Have a second listen to it mate.

I don't see how Occultation got on here if Royal Thunder isn't metal enough to make the cut.

Royal Thunder had some metal elements, but the southern/psych/stoner rock elements were the main elements of their music, so me and Derigin decided to blacklist them before any submissions were made. Occultation, on the other hand, is clearly doom metal and there's no comparaisons to make between these two bands anyway, maybe the fact that they both have a female singer, but it stops there.

I read the rules, twice, as to make sure I don't offend any moderator whatsoever. And I will abide the decision, whichever it may be. But please read my full post.
The rules state that if a band releases a metal CD, and later on they change their style to anything non-metal, it will still be considered a metal band. I remembered a band from way back (not proud of it) called "Whitecross" which did exactly that. They released a full length heavy metal CD, and later on became a hard-rock popish kind of band. I searched the forums and found that when somebody wanted to remove Whitecross from M-A, the mod Witcher pointed out their first album as to the reason why they were accepted in the first place. They were not deleted, according to the rules (this was 2007, see links below). What I don't understand is that later on (2010, see post below) the same moderator deleted them, based on being "hard rock" (which they became after their first CD). So according to the rules, shouldn't Whitecross be on M-A, despite later efforts?

2007 post http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14116&p=661027&hilit=Whitecross#p661027
2010 post http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65721&p=1593269&hilit=Whitecross#p1593269

If the band's first album is indeed heavy metal like you say, then that was probably a mistake. It's true that bands will never be removed because their later material isn't metal - if they were, we'd have to get rid of famous bands like Katatonia, Amorphis, Anathema, Skinlab, and Machine Head.

Probably an oversight. We'll look into it.

Not sure if this is the right topic to post it in but I was just wondering why Rottrevore's latest EP, "Blind Sided Attack," was deleted?

It has a physical release, this is a copy of it that I purchased from Sevared:
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5645/img1802n.jpg

Greetings! Exist a error! The band Gucumatz (Mex) Yes are a band of Pagan Metal with Ambient/Prehispanic Influences

Certainly there are issues that are ambient, dark ambient, etc., but these issues are Black / Pagan Metal, Folk Metal. I can not upload all the tracks on disc, label issues, but here I leave a few that do are metal, and yes, all the demo.

http://soundcloud.com/gucumatz/colibr-de-guerra

http://soundcloud.com/gucumatz/entre-los-mares-volver-s

http://soundcloud.com/gucumatz/gloria-pagana


http://atlatlmusicgroup.blogspot.mx/

Aversions Crown are a band from Australia which blend Deathcore with Technical Death Core, and use 8 string guitars.
They're much more "metal" than core.
I've seen deathcore bands on here with much more core influence than thse guys...

Maybye we could un-blacklist them and add them?
Features ex Widow The Sea vocalist Colin Jeffs and they have an album and an EP

I already gave my thoughts on your band. Don't make me tell you again, thanks.

Mate, depends which release you're talking about. As with Thy Art Is Murder, it's possible they were blacklisted before they released a metallic-enough album. Tell me the name of their most metallic release and I'll suss it out and get back to you...


Yeah well, just remember that there's a lot of bands on MA that're primarily known for being too -core that were accepted based on a more metallic album (obvious example would be Underoath).


Not sure. Porman deleted it; I've pointed him to this thread.

Hmm. I deal with reports everyday and I can hardly remember all of them but my guess would be that it had an incomplete tracklist or didn't have a release date yet.
I don't just delete entries without any reason.

Feel free to add it again.

Hi. I am new here so i am asking this mostly to get a clue about how things working.

I see Alcest is in the archives but Les Discrets aren't If i get it right it must be because Alcest had that Black Metal Demo. Though Alcest and Les Discrets are now playing almost the same music. Is it ok to have Alcest in just for a Demo and not have Les Discrets?

Thank you for any answers

To put it as succinctly as possible: yes.

If Les Discrets released a demo in the same vein as Alcest's earlier material, we'd have them here too.

Hello- I was instructed to post here to object an artist rejection. The band name is Herodias (a female fronted funeral/epic doom metal band from the US). I'm confused, since someone named Chaim Drishner emailed me yesterday, telling me the music if beautiful and wants to review it. The new album "Dance of the Seven Veils" has been distributed many places worldwide. It's on iTunes U.S., Amazon, iTunes Australia/N.Z., Spotify, iTunes Canada, iTunes UK/European Union, iTunes Japan, iTunes Mexico, iTunes Latin
America (incl. Brazil), Amazon MP3, MySpace Music, MediaNet, eMusic,
Zune, Rhapsody, Nokia, iHeartRadio, VerveLife, Amazon On Demand,
Google Play, Simfy, Deezer, and Bandcamp. The CD version will be up on Amazon any day now. Please tell what needs to be done- the band deserves to be listed here. Thanks.

Also, I'm having trouble providing links to some popular stores that sell the album.

First of all, you didn't include anything for us to listen to with the submission (like this: http://herodias.bandcamp.com/album/danc ... even-veils). Second of all, you need to wait until the album is out on CD (not just as a download) before you resubmit. Don't forget to include a link to Amazon (or real life photos, etc...) as proof.

Please read this: http://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules

Also, I just updated band info/links. Hopefully, it works

Between your latest comment and the email I read, I agree that we should ALL be polite. I'm doing my best

And I did provide links originally, but I guess it didn't work.

When is the CD being released? The links in your submission are just for the mp3, and the mods are going to ask for proof of physical release, such as pictures. Having physical releases is a must for bands to be accepted.

Also, I'm not a mod. I'm a regular user.