Oh, I didn't mean it in that way. Listening closer I can see the differences. I think Echtra's later releases are more metal anyway, but there is still a difference from this band than that one. I am sorry, I was just explaining myself.

Edit: I guess to be clear, I agree with the rejection now. No worries

Why Facing my Fears was rejected?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7k_Qhd7hTY

My band submission was rejected with this motivation: "Wait until the album is actually released. Please read our rules."
So I ask, why Metal Archives is full of such releases that are only scheduled after 1/2 months, but not yet released?
This is against rules, i guess.
But I suppose this appens because they are famous bands, and so for the moderators it's going all ok, while underground bands aren't considered and therefore refused.
Rules are rules, for EVERYONE.
Can anyone explain me this incongruity?
Thanks,
MORTVVS.

Hardcore punk.


For a band to be submitted to Metal Archives, they must already have at least one physical release publicly available. The releases you see on MA that "are scheduled for release in a few months" are on bands who already have existing releases in their discography.

Ok thanks, it's related to newly added bands.
So instead, what's the allowed advance to insert a scheduled release? How much earlier may I insert it?
MORTVVS.

Yes, for newly added bands only. It doesn't even matter if the first/only release has a concrete tracklist, release date and title, a band still needs to have something out before we can take it.


There's no limit as to how early you can add a future release, so long as you know the EXACT release date (day/month/year).

Perfect, thank you Alhadis!
MORTVVS.

Obviously, you do care... Why all the time spent here complaining and arguing?

I do care that the band(s) got added but I do not care if it was me or anyone else who do add the band(s).

And that you already have the confirmed tracklist, cover and all the info.

Hello,

you can listen to songs from TUNNELBOHRER on their Myspace-Page. The Link is

http://www.myspace.com/tunnelbohrer

There is a Picture of the first CD "The Abyss", too

I hope this will do.

Greetings from Germany
Ultimate Gamera

Why the band Valfunde (Fr) is blacklisted??? it is a Side Project of La Sale Famine de Valfunde of Peste Noire.. and released a split vinyl with Amesoeurs, it can be obtained through De Profundis Éditions label, of everyplace in the world.. why?

The music is acceptable, but the picture doesn't prove a physical release. You seem to be the guy behind the project, so if the album is indeed out on a physical medium (a CD, as you claim) then it should be no problem for you to take a picture of a couple of copies, upload it and include the link in the submission notes. Make sure to show the actual CD and not just some closed jewel cases with the cover on it.

http://www.jamendo.com/es/album/107594
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Restored and added.

Apnea (New Zealand)

http://www.facebook.com/Immortalfrostproductions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2QPFXsMPxc

Dark Abyss (Poland) - blacklisted as "fakeband".
Someone remember this case?
I found their CD on auction :
http://allegro.pl/dark-abyss-till-war-d ... 43962.html
Samples are there.

Okay, after being asked to point out my problem in the right task, I will just continue here, without summarizing the whole story.
You can get background information here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88807

The reason for the blacklisting was the impression of a moderator, that the band we are talking about would be "predominantly ambient".
It is now up to me to prove that the band's music is in fact "predominantly metal".

I will do so by posting Youtube links combined with short explainations (just for making sure, that you do not get the impression I am choosing the only 6 or 7 metal songs among hundreds of ambient tracks):

First example - Holy Blood (sixth release)
01 His glorious Fall (black metal)
02 From Paradise (ambient)
03 Lebensborn (black metal)
04 The Blood of Cordelia (black metal)
05 Fall Apart (more or less metal)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdXUO7OsDWM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHs1t21n ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQ3GQ0_ ... re=related

Second example - White Nights (fourth release)
01 Black Sun (black metal)
02 The Clansmen (any kind of metal)
03 Witches Return (black metal)
04 Empyreal Gates (black metal)
05 Morning Star (black metal)
06 Imperial Valkyrie (any kind of metal)
07 White Nights (black metal)
08 Outroduction (same style as "The Clansmen")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKAg8maB ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0nGkXct ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlyUnkOT ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdyIrMJg ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx9hfEPj ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULcMqbJ4oXM

Third example - Reichshexenmeister (third release)
01 Guitars, Guns and Swastikas (black metal)
02 Vampyric Black Metal Endsieg (black metal)
03 Blitzkrieg Blue Eyes (black metal)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_D0-8Lh ... ature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iFHEblX ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=411gG69a ... re=related

Fourth example - Celestial Holocaust (eighth release)
01 I Am The Storms
02 Celestial Holocaust
03 The Angelic Tyrant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki5ArXDC ... ature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXajhWHF ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTA5J8yD ... re=related

Last example - White Nights (second release; yes - same title for two releases)
01 Black Sun
02 Imperial Valkyrie
03 White Nights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFFKBUde ... re=related


I have proved, that 5/8 releases contain no less than 80-100% black metal songs, so this "statistic" shows, we are talking about a band that can be considered as "predominantly metal" without doubt.

Regarding all uploads it is correct to say, that there is a high percentage of ambient tracks, but not beyond the standard limits of black metal bands.

So can we close the case now and just allow this band to be on MA ?

Thanks for taking your time !

Here to bring up Soulfly again but the only thing I'm going to say is I am going to upload the album on Mediafire and provide the link only to moderators. That way the discussion on their end can start a few days before the album is actually released.

Please PM me for the link.

I did PM it to Morrigan already to get the ball rolling but if any moderator wants the link just PM me. Gotta be a moderator, if your username is the same color as my username, no soup for you!

Questions about two bands.

Damien Deadson - This band does have some metalcore influences, but also has a lot of groove metal influences as well. https://www.facebook.com/damiendeadson

Demon Hunter - I know their first album was kinda nu-metal, but later albums have become more and more metal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK2TVIOo_fY This track is off their last album and has thrash elements.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l76unGjRtBs This is off their upcoming album.

Not even close. NFSU-soundtrack modern rockish mallcore/metalcore.


Still too -core. Their new material was discussed before, I think. That upcoming album doesn't sound any different.

Hello

I just registered to vouch for my youtubemate Blackmetaldevastator and to may speed up the things here a bit cause I dont understand why it takes so long and why you answer other people first who reply after him. He dont want to spam you thats why I made account here. He just have a problem with random people writing crap things about bands which are not true and requests of this randompeople on mainpage are "pending" and his request is declined or on "blacklist" cause of silly reasons which are simply not true. So please check it fast and dont make wannabepeople having success.

Regards, Olaf

You will not help his case by posting, it will probably have the opposite effect instead, your tone is arrogant and not appreciated here. When Site mods are pressured to check a band, they usually take even more their time with it. If it makes you happy, I think the band should be here, but that's not for me to decide.

Sorry if you think i was unfriendly...
I always talk respectful and friendly to everyone,...

Thanks for your answer anyway i will just keep patience then ...

Greetings

Olaf =))

@BlackMetalDevastator: Can you provide a photo of the demos, especially "White Nights"? Another submission says it was released on tape. How many copies? How are they distributed?

@Azmodes:

Let's start with the photo, that I have already used for my submission:

http://img293.imagevenue.com/img.php?im ... _187lo.JPG

It shows "Gravestar" (opened jewelcase) and "Ghosts of Gravestar" (closed Jewelcase).


I asked that guy (Imperial Wizard) via Youtube about the number of copies some time ago and he wrote to me, that all demos (at this time there have been five releases, I think) are limited to 10 copies. They are simply given to friends (or people like me, who have asked for them) for free.
I received my copies ("Gravestar", "White Nights" and "Ghosts of Gravestar") by postal delivery directly from that guy (and did not have to pay anything, that was pretty cool).
The demos I have, have written 01/10; 3/10 and 9/10 on them, but according to him, he would just make new copies, if requested. So I can't tell you for sure, how many copies exist up to this day (however the number of 10 per demo is the minimum).

About "White Nights":
I have the version with 3 instrumental tracks as a cd (the title of the YT-upload says "original tape" indeed, but I think this refers to the way of recording the songs, not to the release). I can add a photo of this cd a bit later (I have to use a friend's camera).

The other "White Nights" version (some kind of demo compilation) also contains these three songs, yet with vocals, plus other songs, which have a quite different sound. I do not own a physical copy of this (second) version, I only have the wav-files of the songs, sent to me via e-mail.

I will ask that guy for more information and a photo of the other demos, that's all I can do.

Okay, resubmit.

@Azmodes:

Done, thank you

Hello,

here I send you some Pics of the Tunnelbohrer-Release "The Abyss". I hope this will do.

Greetings from Germany

Ultimate Gamera

I've restored Tunnelbohrer.

Why BTBAM was rejected?

Honestly, I don't understand this No metalcore policy. You listed (yes, here @ MA) After the Eulogy a band from United States as Melodic Death Metal/Metalcore. Wikipedia says the BTBAM's album "The Silent Circus" is: Technical death metal, deathcore, metalcore, progressive metal.

Now, why aren't they included?

See, I don't care even this arbitrary "MA moderator's criteria" but the pueril effort to say metalcore is not metal. Do you really believe so? Seriously?

I think you should say metalcore is not accepted because the co-founder doesn't like. Not because is not metal, Here Comes the Kraken clearly can bite your head off with their 'metal'.

You're an idiot. Do you think this band hasn't been brought up before? Do you think you're the first to come up with these idiotic, fallacious arguments? Do you think I like every single band on this site? Do you think I like every genre of metal? I don't like brutal death, I don't care for most black metal, and yet those genres are probably the ones that are the most represented. Because, whether I like them or not, they are clearly metal. You're just butthurt that your precious band isn't accepted. And they weren't because, for the 2143564th time, they were deemed (not even by me, I never listened to them, and no, I won't) more predominantly core than metal.

I think I'm gonna ban the next clueless nitwit who brings up BTBAM. Fuck off already.

Fallacious arguments? Respectfully, Could you please tell me which one? I really think they are metal and I don't know why can't you accept that fact. I would think I'm wrong but I've searched over the internet and, do you know metal observer? Well, check this: http://www.metal-observer.com/articles. ... =1&id=1080. Do you know wikipedia? They say: "Between the Buried and Me is an American heavy metal band from Raleigh, North Carolina". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTBAM)

You argue they are more core than metal. Let me tell you something, there are several metal subgenres which roots are HC and metal: Speed(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_metal), crossover(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_thrash), sludge(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sludge_metal) and now they have become seminal metal genres, having Power metal being a combination of Traditional Heavy Metal and Speed. And do you guess what is Symphonic Metal made of? You don't even ask how much HC or metal have a Power metal band, because speed is a metal genre. So it is metalcore. You can't ask how much core or metal it has a metalcore band.

I know is your decision not to accept it, it is your right, but then stop calling yourself Encyclopaedia Metallum, it is clear you're not (and please, stop trying to fool people with this "more core than metal" argument, nobody buys that, you can't hide the sun with a finger).

I didn't know we were owned by Wikipedia, or run on the same principles of them. We are a privately-owned site. We can call ourselves anything we want to call ourselves. We use whatever definition of metal we feel fits best with what could be considered "metal" and we run with it. Our users feel that we are credible enough that they have no problem helping this site flourish and grow. If you feel that this site doesn't align best with what you consider metal, then perhaps this place isn't the best fit for you because clearly that's something that you feel too passionate about to put aside.

How about the one that said "metalcore is not accepted because the co-founder doesn't like"? I don't like brutal death metal and yet it's here. So easily refuted.

And lol wikipedia. The same site that has articles on "Nintendocore", "NWOAHM", "Cello metal", "Funk metal", "Rap metal" and other nonsense as if they were legitimate genres or really part of metal music. Yeah, anyone who uses Wikipedia as a source to defend their argument is a clueless moron. They even used to have an article about "troll metal", for fuck's sake. Let me guess, you think nu-metal is really metal because it says "metal" in the name, amirite?

And of course we can go with the "more core than metal" principle. Just like we could go with "more folk than metal" for rejecting a so-called "folk metal" band that uses mostly fiddles and flutes and has little to no metal riffs (though this happens less often), just like we could go with "more punk than thrash" for bands that sound closer to Dead Kennedys than Kreator, and so on. "Nobody buys that"? I'm pretty sure that's completely false, but even if it weren't, guess what.

Ad hominem arguments just reflects your incapacity to actually refute the fact BTBAM is a Heavy Metal band. Wikipedia (the one you mentioned in your homepage led you to blackout against SOPA) uses cites and if BTBAM is said to be a Heavy Metal band is because the evidence says so (They even made a benchmark along versed sources: metalobserver, all music, etc)

Nu-metal? AFAIK it is a mix of heavy metal with grunge and hip-hop. Isn't? Whether it has more metal than hip-hop I might deem it as metal or not. Seriously, it is a metal subgenre, believe it or not (Check "Sound of the Beast: The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Metal")

Are you sure about this "more core than metal" principle? Seriously? but even if you apply the so-called principle, BTBAM definitively has more death, progressive or metal than core and that is, my dear friend, a fact.

Genre classifications are opinions rather than facts. The only fact about BTBAM is that they are a band and they play music. The people who run this site are entitled to their opinions when it comes to what bands are acceptable for the archives. I disagreed with BTBAM being removed but that issue has in fact been beaten to death since then.

The best evidence for arguing for a band is their music itself. Their past discography has been judged by the admins of this site, though I'm not sure about The Parallax: Hypersleep Dialogues (most recent EP). By posting Youtube links and such and asking if that music is acceptable for the site is the right way to argue for a band, and if the admins say no it's best to just accept that answer until either a new album is released or (rarely) an old release that was previously overlooked is brought up.



On the topic of opinions, I am curious to know if the opinion on Soulfly's latest album Enslaved has been decided on.

Hello, I see Amusuk (Indonesian ambient/depressive black metal) is blacklisted because is not a metal band. The demo album titled "Fog" and "Fear of the Forest" is not metal songs/there are no metal music in these demo albums. Yes, that's right.

And how about the newest album, only 1 song is metal (or not enough metal?), the 5 songs are instrumental, no metal music (6 songs in total)
A new Amusuk album titled "Empty" released in March 2012 by Depressive Illusions Records, with the tracklist:
1. The Empty Mind : Instrumental
2. From The Shadow of Life : Instrumental
3. The Illuminating Light : Instrumental
4. When The Seeds of Pine Brought me into the Old Memory : Instrumental
5. Nature : Instrumental
6. The Secret Knife When You Depressed : Metal : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6gLAm40opE

(All songs are instrumental, except the 6th song).

Physical release "Empty":

ReverbNation also available: http://www.reverbnation.com/Lordamusuk

Thanks

One metal song is not enough, the band must have at least one release that is conistently metal, read the rules.

But an opinion must be based on facts, otherwise you are just fooling (rather than others) yourself. You may be biased (and that's normal) but you can never ignore the evidence.



Ok, they are not ignoring the evidence, they are just biased by the same reason they don't include Nu-metal (I do hate Nu-metal, but it is metal too). If you can't be objective on that fact, well, don't call this site Encyclopaedia, it will never be one without objectivity.