Why has the Estonian band X-Panda been blacklisted? They are very much metal, have two records out and contradict no other rules either

Good morning!

I was trying to publish my band Rising on the site when this impossibility arose. The band is real and actually exists in São Paulo. We were even going to play with Grim Reaper this coming February 5th. Please solve this problem because the band really exists!

Best regards:
Zélão Baal

Does a release featuring original material also exist?

The band "The Ominous Circle" from Portugal is set to release their debut on the 27th of this month, it's safe to remove them from the blacklist by now, right?
Here are some links:

Album teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h-fmu3muN8

Store selling merch
http://www.osmoseproductions.com/liste/ ... +ascension

Music
http://listen.20buckspin.com/album/appalling-ascension

Wait until the album is released and submit then.

Was wondering, how come Sede Vacante from Greece is blacklisted? They're a Gothic Metal/Rock band that has released 1 Full-length this past November.

Merch;
http://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/ ... ernal.html

Music;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTchkOoQGT8

Blacklisted off that record as "Electro Gothic Rock" - so not metal enough.

Are my eyes deceiving me, or has King's X been deleted from the Archives? If so, why? One word: Dogman

Nagaroth : https://nagaroth.bandcamp.com/releases

Reason given :



I'm sorry to say that I vehemently disagree with this - (see Bandcamp). Even if the band is making up the year and country (let's be honest, in 1993 black metal was all over europe - You can't say that it's fake because you "don't see it" - many bands from the scene made very small numbered demos including Mayhem)
Why is 1993 "nonsense"? As alluded to above; BM was huge all over Europe at that time. Many bands have re-released old demos on Bandcamp. I do agree that due to the fact that there is no other mention of this on google, this could be seen as suspect, but as touched upon below - this is a perfectly valid metal release.

It's way over 20 minutes and therefore stands as a release. I feel it was rejected incorrectly. The Country could easily be changed to "unknown" and this in theory should have been accepted for the digital release alone. Can I please get a definitive?

Thanks

Hey there. My band Sails of Serenity has been blacklisted but I don't know why because none of us had submitted our band here. Unfortunately I believe somebody else from fans tried it but did something wrong so we got blacklisted. Can you please check it and let us know so we can submit the band in the proper way?

Blacklisted in April; primarily core. It doesn't matter who submits it, since we (of course) listen to the music. Retrying it won't change anything unless there is a new release since then.

All of the information presented in this release was given in bad faith, that's why we rejected it. Several mods agreed on it. This part of the rules addresses both the "physical release" and the sketchy digital release.

"Unprofessional BS such as "Promo Tape limited to 5 copies", "Promo CD-R limited to 10 copies", etc., are not going to fly. We actually prefer serious digital releases (see below "Valid Digital Releases") over garage/bedroom amateurism."

Ok, Happy to accept that - thank you very much for explaining.

Come on, you can't tell me you don't find this the least bit suspicious. Metal from Liechtenstein is rare enough as it is, for obvious reasons. Now consider the probability of a local black metal band from the early 90s surfacing on Bandcamp with a demo allegedly recorded in 1993, called "Nagaroth", with a cover like that, and for some reason with utterly mangled German titles to boot. This just screams joke band or fake under kvlt guise. Sure, there is no denying that the music on that page exists, but a) silly 10 copies aside (if they even exist), it's a rough digital demo and b) considering all the evident bullshit, who's to say it wasn't plagiarised or the uploads just copied 1:1 from some other band (yes, this has happened at least once before, interestingly also with a black metal "band")? No way we are going to take this as it is, with country "Unknown" or otherwise.

I was actually a bit pissed off when I rejected the first submission of this, because it's just so exemplary of the myopic Bandcamp looting approach that certain band submitters display. Think twice before you throw anything you find there at us, please. Obviously I can't blame people for not picking up on the German if they don't speak it, but the country, year, cover, etc. should set off some alarm bells, not to mention the recording quality for a digital release. "Is metal" and "~20 minutes" are not the only deciding factors.

Yes there is a new release, a new single from the upcoming album. If that is what you're talking about, I hope.

A new single wouldn't be a valid release. When the upcoming album is actually released to the public, bring it up again and we can re-evaluate

I want to submit the blacklisted deathcore band, Aversions Crown (Australia). They released a new album (Xenocide via Nuclear Blast) a few days back which I reckon is pretty 'metal' despite the underlying -core influence. Now with that being said, how do I go about this? Will the mods listen to it first or will the blacklist be temporarily lifted so that I can submit them for the 'judgement'?

I can't find the full album on youtube as of now, but here's a start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb5z5AULWCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhZfRGRPNQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH4U9wdh1uM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsyL4ldK0Q

Thank you for the further clarity - it appears I've opened a can of worms; I apologise if I came across as too questioning. Suspicious - absolutely. I think I am still too trusting. If this is a genuine thing, maybe some solid proof will one day surface. I'm going to err on the side of "unlikely".

Reference your second paragraph - I didn't realise how much of an issue Bandcamp releases can be. I've had all of mine accepted before (clearly through pure luck and correct "metalness"). I take on board entirely the wariness to approach the site with from now on. Certainly, I had no intentions to piss you off, so I apologise again that you've had to wade back through this argument. If nothing else, the rules have become clearer once again, and we can move on from this debacle entirely.

Respect.

EC

It's nothing personal I'm sure, but it does get old on our end. Since you are pretty specialised in black metal, you shouldn't be surprised that people would try and pull shit like this. There have been several instances of bands trying to fake a back catalogue and band history for kvlt cred. I could write a novel on all of the tricks people try to pull to get past us.

Not even surprised at all. The only surprise was that I didn't immediately suspect this release. Still, I've only been on the site a year and a half - a lot of learning to still do. Anyway, I must hit that report queue soon.

Why are you guys not replying to this?

Progressive rock.

Okay a while back I submitted the bands Crustacea Zoëa Larvae and Dionaea. They were both rejected, so I read the submission rules. I can see why Crustacea was rejected but what was "unmetal" about Dionaea? I know the first few minutes are slow and steady but you know...you could've skipped ahead? And maybe give their other release, "Grounds" a listen too? It's heavier than "Still". Thanks, if you do respond and such.

Well, assuming we don't listen to the entire release is pretty ignorant, but the blacklisting note cites "Post-grind" along with a lack of coherent metal riffage.

Yeah, Dionaea basically stuck to the song structure of 1. Wank the guitar for 30 seconds. 2. Play post-rock.

Hi, I was wondering why this band has been blacklisted? Sounds like it is more metal than core, and is more metal than few metalcore bands enlisted in the site.


Correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks!

It was blacklisted for the reason you think it was - more -core than metal. And it seems to have been blacklisted off this release as well.

Can Asbestosisis (Melbourne, Australia) be whitelasted on the basis of the increased death metal sound in their latest CD release?

https://asbestosisis.bandcamp.com/album ... ck-in-time

The new album sounds alright, TUA, in case you're up for a quick re-evaluation.
http://killsorrow.com/
http://bandzone.cz/killsorrow/
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/littl ... 1176055999
https://play.spotify.com/artist/2fEz964 ... edium=open
Track 8, Falling, is redolent of the old sound, but there's a lot of melodic groove metal in the rest.

Or is this the album which got them rejected?

No, it was blacklisted back in 2013 so I'll give this new one a listen in the next day or two and see.

No rush, buddy.

New album out tomorrow, whitelist Dead Limbs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8YZ_FUt7EI

What could be the reason for Year One from US's blacklist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-Fk9D6UijU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aWgOIcTZ0Y

If this does not qualify as prog metal, what does?

Mostly breakdowns and symphonic slush. Not enough metal riffage.

It's at least close enough to warrant a full Mod evaluation from the queue. I've whitelisted it.

Fair. I've whitelisted it.

Appreciated, TUA. I'll make a draft.

Levrage - blacklisted. But it's good Thrash/Groove Metal band.



Also they have a valid release https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/lost- ... 1170530805