You got it ! Haha
Although I do my best to be understandable in english, sometimes I fall in these translation traps.

Hello everyone,

I'm not an avid band submitter, but I'm coming on the rare occasion to ask about a Chinese black metal project called Demogorgon. The band seems entirely qualifiable for a page on the archives, but has been blacklisted. It might be a completely different band from the blacklisted one, after all, Demogorgon seems like a pretty popular name. Let me give you my evidence for the band:

Metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78K74e2nDQ0
Legitimate release: https://www.discogs.com/Demogorgon-飛狐/release/9343605
Release being sold to public: http://website.pest666.com/store/p187/D ... now._.html
What's more, the album came from Pest Productions, a reputable indie label in China known for working with bands like Myrkgrav, Ghost Bath, Alda, Make a Change Kill Yourself, etc. http://website.pest666.com

I look forward to hearing a response

Iirc the first sone is 50/50 Metal/Dungeon Synth and the second track is entirely Dungeon synth. Yeah, no. Not going to be whitelisted.

Alright, thanks for clearing that up with me.

Hi there,

My project Grief & Bliss was recently rejected for being labeled as a "Blackgaze" project, yet I feel that metal is undoubtedly at the core of my music, especially with my first EP, which is characterized by its black metal elements ( https://griefandbliss.bandcamp.com/album/grief ).
Even though my latest album Endeavor contains clean vocals, it is still metal in nature - please reference these two songs: https://griefandbliss.bandcamp.com/track/still-waiting ; https://griefandbliss.bandcamp.com/trac ... s-also-die

The album that I am currently working on is much more metal, containing harsh vocals and heavier songs. I am also currently working with/plan on continuing to work with Transcending Records, a predominantly death metal label, therefore allowing my project to be based in metal distribution-wise.

This post is simply a request for reconsideration. If you guys still feel my project is not "metal" enough, I respect that decision. Thanks so much for taking the time to read this!

Haha - no, I answered that but hit Edit instead of Quote.

No idea what you're rambling about but the comment about Gothic Rock had nothing to do with your band. The mod and I were responding to another band inquiry.

So it's not that there's no metal - it's that there is no predominantly metal release that qualifies. Your first EP is digital only and around 10 minutes - that's not what the site considers a valid release. The second EP has enough Blackgaze (blacklist note says "Post-Blackgaze") that we don't believe it's predominantly metal. We need one qualifying predominantly metal release to be accepted to the site. The label your band is on means nothing to us - it's all about the music and the actual release. If your next release is more metal and qualifies as a valid release (meaning, 20+ minutes of music if digital or a physical release) then after it gets released, bring it up again and we'll be happy to take a listen and re-evaluate.

Why was Cum Book deleted? They have plenty of metal releases. The report I made was to add Noisecore to the genre because they are now integrating Noisecore into their style, not to remove the band.

https://cumbook.bandcamp.com

Non-metal grindcore.

Did you even listen to their first album?

http://cumbook.bandcamp.com/album/in-ma ... n-we-trust

No offense, Diamhea, but I had a feeling it was you who deleted the whole band page without checking their previous releases. I have seen you change things without checking first further proof.

Well, your feelings betrayed you, because it wasn't me and I had nothing to do with it.



Do I have to in order to tell you what the blacklist note says?

It was actually Zodijackyl and I. I would advise you not to accuse individual moderators of actions you are not party to.

For the record we act as a collective, we decide as a collective, we speak as a collective.

While I thought that it might fly, I talked to another mod and he judged it to be more rock than metal.

Swine Soul, don't know why its blacklisted but here is the latest release: https://merdumgiriz.bandcamp.com/album/ ... ise-plague

Sorry for the late reply. I am on my lunch break now. I wasn't accusing, if it was an accusation I would have written it on the first post. It was a statement of what I have witnessed. Here is am example of a report you changed without further proof.
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/477672

I own most of the Obeisance releases. I had to go correct the artist stage name for each release because it was incorrect, on all the Obeisance releases it shows his stage name as it was before in the line up info. On the FB page it shows it that way too https://www.facebook.com/Obeisance666/

I do agree that the new style of Cum Book is not metal but they do have many other releases that are metal and acceptable. They wouldn't have been on here all these years if they didn't. I will drop it if I see other moderators that agree with the deletion of Cum Book from Metal-Archives.

Maybe you should look. Don't be a dick.

viewtopic.php?p=2689583#p2689583

"No offense, ___, but let me make shit up and accuse you without proof, also let me go through your edit history to find anything objectionable so I can go AH-HA, but no offense bro"

Just got off work. Sorry once again for the delayed reply. In my defense, I did not search though anyones edit history. I just remember. I was updating and correcting the Obeisance MA page a lot around that time. I noticed the stage name change and checked the reports. I don't have that much time to dig through years of edit history. I just thought that this was a similar situation from that time a mod went deleting bands that were not metal enough, without consulting other moderators or the admins.

After calming down from the shock of a simple genre change report ending in a whole band page being deleted. I acknowledge my reply made me appear as a dick and it was unnecessary. I have no grudges, I still enjoy this website very much. As I had said, now that I see other moderators and the site owner are for the deletion, I am dropping the argument. Thank you for your time.

Hi,

I can understand that band/project (???) Thousand Wounds was rejected as a Black Metal band but I cannot agree that it's more Dark Ambient than metal. In my opinion, it fits better the Doom / Black Metal niche than Dark Ambient. There are definitely guitars that are dominant in most of the songs (except the third one, it's definitely Dark Ambient), as well as drums.

So yes, I agree that it doesn't fit the Black Metal genre but no, it's not more Dark Ambient than eg Doom.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tho ... 3540420234 (I guess mods can see it)

https://thousandwounds.bandcamp.com/alb ... of-paradox

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Best,

S.

Thousand Wounds is more dark ambient than metal. Sure, there are metal parts, but it didn't seem to be predominantly metal.

Genuine enquiry, is that actually possible? Surely grindcore is an entirely metallic thing by its very nature?

I've not heard the band in question so it doesn't bother me if they are rejected or not, but the concept of non-metal grindcore strikes me as an oxymoron.

(I don't have much reference to grindcore beyond early Napalm Death and odd bands here and there, all of whom to me sounded very metallic, so I'm willing to accept being wrong on this one).

No, it's not an oxymoron. Grindcore is sort of its own thing that grew from hardcore punk. Some band are more metallic, others are more pure grindcore with little to no metal. Some play noisecore, which is even less metal. It's no bigger mystery that some grindcore bands get rejected than that some metalcore or deathcore bands get rejected.

We actually cover this exact topic in the rules:

http://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules#tab_metal

OK, I see what you mean having read through the rules now.

Having said that, I must now bring up another question - I've searched this topic and read the rules and I understand why Deep Purple are on here, i.e. influence, contributions to the development of metal, etc. But I'm wondering if you can have Deep Purple on these grounds, why not Zeppelin? Pretty sure a lot of metal bands had some influence from them in the same way, or was it not as large?

It's extremely tough judging what some people call "proto metal," so admittedly there will always be disagreement there. The long and short of it is that we have judged Deep Purple as acceptable for its historical relevance and the fact we think it meets our standards for acceptance, and have judged that Led Zeppelin doesn't meet the same standards. Bands are approved on their own merits, and must qualify for acceptance based on the same standards we apply across the board.

With this question, and the one on grindcore, you've hinted at something which is a little difficult to elaborate on: the nebulous nature of metal music.

There's a few fallacies with the way people might think about music. One fallacy is to assume music is linear; that one style follows and replaces another style. Another fallacy is to assume, largely because of the first fallacy, that there's distinct borders between styles: that once something is labelled a certain way, it means that the style is distinct from all other styles. It's like imagining that these labels have walls around them; inside the wall is that labelled style, and outside the wall is everything else. In actuality, there are no real defined borders, and there is no linear progression or evolution of music. Styles of music adapt from, steal from, derive base characteristics from other genres at all times, all the time. They bleed into one another. And, because styles of music are defined based upon their constituent parts - bands - and moreover even on the constituent parts of bands - releases - then changes in style writ large have a multitude of factors to contend with. A single band or a single release can set off a whole new wave of change within a style. This is how you get the subgenres in metal we've come to love and hate. It's important to recognize that these same factors are at play within other styles, and between styles as well. Punk and metal; rock and punk; within metal; within punk; and so on. You get a myriad of hybrid styles. Grindcore is one of those hybrid styles, that sometimes leans more heavily on punk or metal. "Proto metal," likewise, also tends to be stuck between styles - ones at the time already in existence (eg. hard rock, progressive rock, etc.) and one in its infancy (metal).

I suppose the overall lesson here is that, as much as we may want to simplify music into ready-made and contained boxes of style, it's not that easy. The boundaries between styles aren't so clear cut that you know when you've entered one style and left another. We like to imagine musical styles are like countries with clear borders, with signs that tell you you're entering one and leaving another. But, in reality, it's more like sailing across the ocean without any equipment to tell you that you've left your country's waters and entered international waters. You might have a rough idea, but you don't know for certain.

Good post, I agree with that pretty much.

Might my new EP/album earn Q'uq'umatz a reconsideration? https://ququmatz.bandcamp.com/album/i-k ... -the-trees

I'm cleaning up some of my rejected submissions. I'd like to argue for the inclusion of Koroner. As I said in the submission notes, if there's doubt about the existence of a physical release or its distribution, this is still as good a digital-only band as any.

Full album download
Artwork

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Q: What year was Ales Brichta Project blacklisted?

hey guys, I don't know why but someone put my band in the blacklist - could you help my in any kind?

cheers

Cris from LAMBS ‡

It's Blackened post-hardcore.

"Sorry Corpsekisser, Encyclopaedia Metallum was forced to reject your submission for the band Haunt (United States), for the following reason:

"My music is made for the cemetery not the internet."

How edgy. Well okay then, I guess your band isn't going on the Internet? We can't accept this without hearing some samples, and if you don't want to cooperate with our rules and guidelins, well... suit yourself."

Your site says if a digital version doesn't exist, a mailed physical copy "proving it's metal" is acceptable.
I asked what address to send a copy to twice with no response. If you have a problem with the old-school way of doing business just admit to being a fucking poser. Listening to music anywhere that isn't in your room on the computer is "edgy"?
If someone else submits my band on here and it gets added the joke will be on you. The reality is that bands that AREN'T on here are more underground. I would be honored to never be a part of this hipster cluster beating each other off for "points". Your life is a joke. You are a joke. This site is a joke. Nobody gives a fuck about you. You've accomplished nothing.
P.S. If the album is called Fuck Metal Archives will it still be added?
Thanks for your time, have a wonderful day.

Bye bye.

Someone wanna tell me why Harvest Misery, clearly a technical death metal band, got rejected for being "too -core"? Call me crazy, but there is nothing core about them.

Possibly my favorite post of 2016.

A) You don't want your band to have an internet presence.
B) we're all posers
C) no one gives a fuck about us
D) you'd be honored not to be here
D) if the profile makes it, the joke is on us

This is precious. You didn't come here asking for a profile to be removed because you want to go anonymous or something.

YOU submitted the profile for your band which would:
A) give your band internet presence
B) join a site run by posers
C) i suppose then be dishonored

And then you come here and go off, which clearly means you must give a slight fuck.

Wouldn't all of this kind of make you the poser?

And why if someone submits the necessary requirements we ask for and the profile gets added, would the joke be on us? That makes no sense. We reject bands for lack of proof all the time and they get added later.

BTW: I'd take a fuckin copy because I still like the old tape trading mentality but if it's metal, I'm adding the damn page anyway despite you not really wanting to be here.

There is nothing in the rules where we say a snail-mailed physical copy will be accepted.

We are not a tape-trading site, we are a website that archives data, and we operate on a practical basis. Waiting for physical copies to arrive at a moderator's house is not only impractical, it's counter-productive and, well, just utterly insane.

But of course, I do not expect sanity from some try-hard kvlt edgelord who not openly contradicts himself, but whose projecting would make Donald Trump blush with embarrassment.

Hello, I'm trying to add the band TEN here but I'm getting a message that the band has been blacklisted?

AOR.