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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:48 pm 
 

Of_This_Night36 wrote:
It's not even spelled correctly!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_(law)#Spelling

Of_This_Night36 wrote:
I'm talking about this band: http://skyburnsblackd.bandcamp.com/album/judgement-day

It apparently used to be available for sale on Metal Helm, First Paradox, and Nordic Mission: http://mauce.nl/site/judgement-day-demo/

Sounds like hardcore.
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projectfear22
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:45 pm 
 

Shouldn't a huge site like this help all metal fans even nu metal to find new bands? If nu metal is regarded as metal by public then it's metal, even if it has a little elements to it, it still has elements. I could maybe agree that some nu metal bands sound more like rock or depressive rock but heck if public defines it as metal then it will be cemented as metal.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:53 pm 
 

Please read Da Rulz before maing any inquirires about that "genre".
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:46 pm 
 

Also long story short there, we have our own definition for what is and isn't metal. If "the public" doesn't want to accept it, doesn't matter to us. We'll keep doing what we're doing.
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morbid_reality666
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:54 pm 
 

2 of my bands were rejected today (Wolvenbloed and Genocida).
I added everything, but my laptop or something did not work on the function of adding the members.
So i added them in a report with all the info.
And becourse i did not add them myself these bands are now rejected.
Well that is much thanks for all the work i did all these years on these archives.
This is what i call misusing of admin powers in my eyes.
And well perhaps i get banned for saying this, that's too bad then.
I am not in for any other work on this site anymore becourse of this childish behaviour.
So sorry if i made you angry, but this is just the way i feel and see it right now.
Have a nice life.
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:17 pm 
 

Jesus H. Christ in a wheelchair... Dude, You reported on both band submissions that you had some sort of issues to add the lineup in away that seemed like you were asking for a chance to add it...

Hell, I even wrote "Go ahead and add the lineup. Cheers" on BOTH submissions. That's hardly "misusing of admin powers (sic)" or "childish behaviour".

But do as you please. No one offended you; yet you snapped. Cheers.
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Of_This_Night36
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:49 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Sounds like hardcore.

Fair enough. I thought the first EP was kinda borderline metal, but they seem to have dropped that on the new EP anyway

What about Duister Maanlicht, though? Some posts here (about halfway down the page) show they were blacklisted for being noise; I don't know too much of their music, but this seems to be black metal to me. Heck, even their noisy stuff is just poorly-produced black metal.

Some Duister Maanlicht CDs are also available for physical sale on Metal Helm.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:20 am 
 

Of_This_Night36 wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
Sounds like hardcore.

Fair enough. I thought the first EP was kinda borderline metal, but they seem to have dropped that on the new EP anyway

What about Duister Maanlicht, though? Some posts here (about halfway down the page) show they were blacklisted for being noise; I don't know too much of their music, but this seems to be black metal to me. Heck, even their noisy stuff is just poorly-produced black metal.

Some Duister Maanlicht CDs are also available for physical sale on Metal Helm.

Sounds fine, can now be submitted.
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MasterOfSin
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:22 pm 
 

Sans Amertume,

but if you try to buy some song, appears a reasonable price, i think i don't know how is to live in Canada.


http://sansamertume.bandcamp.com/track/la-corriveau
http://sansamertume.bandcamp.com/track/califourchon

just two for example
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:27 pm 
 

Not sure I'd call over 50 CAD a reasonable price for a digital album... No matter how you look at this, the band doesn't seem to be serious about actually distributing it as a download.
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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:27 pm 
 

MasterOfSin wrote:
Sans Amertume,

but if you try to buy some song, appears a reasonable price, i think i don't know how is to live in Canada.


http://sansamertume.bandcamp.com/track/la-corriveau
http://sansamertume.bandcamp.com/track/califourchon

just two for example

It's $6,66 for a single track or $666 for the full album so that's not a valid digital release.

https://www.facebook.com/sansamertume/p ... 4872997849

The band says that's it's streaming only here and that they prefer physical releases and that they'll get them soon, let's wait for them. I posted there so we'll know when the album will be out so I or anyone else can add them.
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MasterOfSin
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:32 pm 
 

Ok,
there's no problem with that.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:23 pm 
 

why were Blackdrawn rejected? not MY submission, that is/was clear (I actually reported it), but the earlier one... just curious. too "modern" metal?
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Doomsday
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:29 pm 
 

aloof wrote:
why were Blackdrawn rejected? not MY submission, that is/was clear (I actually reported it), but the earlier one... just curious. too "modern" metal?

There was no proof of metalness or valid release in the submission.

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aloof
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:53 pm 
 

bang! :( these ok?

listen: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqyQHm ... n_kk9_M2Qw

photos of CDs: https://www.facebook.com/BlackDrawnhellas/photos_stream

album came out 9/6.
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Doomsday
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:21 pm 
 

Just resubmit your draft with the necessary proof if you don't see the band in the queue.

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Sonnycz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:10 am 
 

Recently I learned that a progressive metal band Between The Buried And Me didn't get listed here because of being more 'core' than 'metal'. I am just listening to one of my most favorite 'progressive metalcore' bands No Consequence and despite having much more significant 'core' base it reminds me Between The Buried And Me a bit. So I went here to check if someone actually had the courage to list No Consequence prior to BTBAM and I was bewildered that they did.
Seriously, try to listen to this 2 examples with ears open and tell me that NC isn't more 'core' than BTBAM.

Between The Buried And Me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEpu2keRMwI - NOT METAL ???

No Consequence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50feFWZvNU - NOT CORE ???

The only possible reason coming to my mind is that one band has more haters among the local staff than the other and so they decided to sabotage them by not listing them :D.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:19 am 
 

So are you arguing for No Consequence's deletion or BtBaM's inclusion?

If the former, post here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65721

If the latter, use the search function, please.

If both, see above, but also be aware that we don't like to base one band's inclusion on another's. These comparisons are treacherous.

Sonnycz wrote:
The only possible reason coming to my mind is that one band has more haters among the local staff than the other and so they decided to sabotage them by not listing them .

That's a very reasonable assumption and of course true. The band screening process is based on personal taste among the staff. Between all of us, we like around 103,698 bands, give or take. Subtract that number from all metal bands in existence and you get the number of disliked bands. A notable exception is the Austrian project Uruk-Hai, which we all love deeply, but I felt too threatened by in my own dungeon synth efforts and hence ended up deleting. God's honest truth.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:46 am 
 

morbid_reality666 wrote:
2 of my bands were rejected today (Wolvenbloed and Genocida).
I added everything, but my laptop or something did not work on the function of adding the members.
So i added them in a report with all the info.
And becourse i did not add them myself these bands are now rejected.
Well that is much thanks for all the work i did all these years on these archives.
This is what i call misusing of admin powers in my eyes.
And well perhaps i get banned for saying this, that's too bad then.
I am not in for any other work on this site anymore becourse of this childish behaviour.
So sorry if i made you angry, but this is just the way i feel and see it right now.
Have a nice life.

Since they're acceptable, I've restored both of those bands and awarded you the appropriate points. Regardless, my advice is to actually read rejection emails next time before you go all bizarrely melodramatic. I don't know if you're gone for good after this unforgivably grave injustice/mistreatment, but just for the record.
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TheOutcast
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:14 pm 
 

I'm appealing the rejection of NERVE SHATTER (USA). Received the following message from Azmodes about the rejection:

Quote:
"Well, does this band have any new material under the new name yet? Comparing the track titles it seems that stuff was already released under the old name.

Or are the songs re-recorded?"


Yes, most of the songs on the new NERVE SHATTER EP are professionally re-recorded versions of the songs on the first two RATTLING CAGES demos. The release is of an appropriate length, and the lineup and sound have changed very little between bands. I believe this rejection should be reversed.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:52 pm 
 

Okay, resubmit.
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morbid_reality666
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:55 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
morbid_reality666 wrote:
2 of my bands were rejected today (Wolvenbloed and Genocida).
I added everything, but my laptop or something did not work on the function of adding the members.
So i added them in a report with all the info.
And becourse i did not add them myself these bands are now rejected.
Well that is much thanks for all the work i did all these years on these archives.
This is what i call misusing of admin powers in my eyes.
And well perhaps i get banned for saying this, that's too bad then.
I am not in for any other work on this site anymore becourse of this childish behaviour.
So sorry if i made you angry, but this is just the way i feel and see it right now.
Have a nice life.

Since they're acceptable, I've restored both of those bands and awarded you the appropriate points. Regardless, my advice is to actually read rejection emails next time before you go all bizarrely melodramatic. I don't know if you're gone for good after this unforgivably grave injustice/mistreatment, but just for the record.


Thanks !
and well i read it but probably misunderstood.
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Nikolas Chris
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:08 am 
 

I have a band from Brazil, called Distürbia Cladis, has been blacklisted, but they new EP are very similar do Whipstriker (Heavy/Speed) with a lot of D-Beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgmlpYsRv0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXJXazLmBrU

https://www.facebook.com/Disturbiacladi ... 4879526524

I think it's an error now!

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NorthFear
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:36 pm 
 

Ok..so my band (Azgard) was rejected today with the
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More breakdowns than riffs; not the sort of deathcore the site considers acceptable, sorry mate

I strongly disagre with this..
And as a proof.. here ya go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYCJFe75zMg#t=22m17s

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PDS
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:46 pm 
 

Yeah, the proof link you put down let directly to a breakdown, which led to another breakdown. Sorry, too many breakdowns and open stringin' than metalness. (Songs like Sin, Icon, Eastern Winds, Be a Man ect, are essentially hearty Breakdown Sandwhiches with some riffing as the equivalent of having pita bread as the bread of the sandwich. Sometimes, these sandwiches are open faced.




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Grimm
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:41 pm 
 

A band which I submitted was rejected because its "not metal". That's simply ridiculous. Here is the reverbnation page with the full CD, which is also on iTunes and most other online retailers. It even says metal in the URL. I assure you that this isn't free form jazz...
http://WWW.reverbnation.com/compulsionmetal.

There is an error in iTunes which links this "compulsion" with another band with this name that is not metal, but the band I submitted certainly is. I've been making a living producing metal CDs for over 20 years; ive been a member of this site for nearly a decade. I know how to read, ive read the rules and thus CD absolutely fits under the auspices of your rules. To tell me that this isnt metal is really quite absurd.

With all due respect, sorry folks, try again

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:58 pm 
 

Looks like its the same band. The blacklist notes says it is primarily hardcore, with a grab-bag of other influences, some metal-ish. I'm listening to this... and it doesn't sound distinctly metal. Sort of all over the place, and the heavier parts are more deathcore than metal. Hmm, sorry not feeling this.

Oh and having "metal" in the URL counts for nothing, nadda. 20 years as a producer does, but I'm currently standing by the initial decision.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:33 pm 
 

Nikolas Chris wrote:
I have a band from Brazil, called Distürbia Cladis, has been blacklisted, but they new EP are very similar do Whipstriker (Heavy/Speed) with a lot of D-Beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgmlpYsRv0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXJXazLmBrU

https://www.facebook.com/Disturbiacladi ... 4879526524

I think it's an error now!

Really not sure... I get what you're saying, but it's also very punk.

EDIT: Alright, got a second opinion from ortab and she's fine with it. Whitelisted.
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Arkonafolk
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:17 am 
 

Hi
You have rejected my submission of Bone Tomb because "Release date is August 3rd. Wait until the album is actually released. For a band to qualify, it must have at least one (valid) release already out and available to the public at the time of submission."

I find this odd for one simple reason, I have the cassette that is apparently not out yet sat in front of me. It isn't a promo copy, I bought it from the record label. So please can you accept my submission.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:51 am 
 

Post some pictures of the release in this thread so we can confirm, please. (Imgur is the best website to use)
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I dunno, I'm a guitarist and it always feels like playing a giant cock. Not just that but live music should hit you in the genitals. It might not if you don't use good amplifiers and your modelling shit goes straight out of the PA. But good music hits you HARD in the GENITALS.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:34 am 
 

Arkonafolk: I misread the band's latest FB post, sorry. They're saying that the tape is out on August 3rd, but seems some copies are already being shipped along with another tape that was released yesterday. I have restored the entry.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:18 am 
 

...for which reasons, the group -Reykhem- can not put into the archives ?

-"Mutilated Till Death" (6 EP) (2015)
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=56297898

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY-GYAfE2sU

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:22 am 
 

Do you have evidence that this CD has been distributed in reasonable quantities? According to the blacklist, we've had reason to doubt that there are more copies than the ones in the photo.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:32 pm 
 

Does my memory serve me correctly, was HIM here in the past? I've understood one metal album is enough to qualify a band and HIM's debut is clearly gothic metal, there can't really be a debate over that? Every song has heavy metal riffing and production that supports it. Even the cover song, Wicked Game, is distinctly metallic rendition.

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Thaylee
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:20 am 
 

Hi,

my band "VAyL" got rejected because of the word "core" in my description.
I described our music as "Stonercore" but you can also call it Stonermetal.
We definitely do metal.
Please add my band to the database and listen to the bandcamp Link so you will know what I mean.

I hope to get your response.
Thank you!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:24 am 
 

tekramytic wrote:
Does my memory serve me correctly, was HIM here in the past? I've understood one metal album is enough to qualify a band and HIM's debut is clearly gothic metal, there can't really be a debate over that? Every song has heavy metal riffing and production that supports it. Even the cover song, Wicked Game, is distinctly metallic rendition.

I don't think they were ever on MA and Morrigan is pretty certain they weren't. I've sampled that debut and it doesn't sound acceptable, apart from a couple of metallic riffing moments. Besides, you'd think it would have already been considered a million times.

Thaylee wrote:
Hi,

my band "VAyL" got rejected because of the word "core" in my description.
I described our music as "Stonercore" but you can also call it Stonermetal.
We definitely do metal.
Please add my band to the database and listen to the bandcamp Link so you will know what I mean.

I hope to get your response.
Thank you!

We don't base these decisions on whatever a user puts in the description. We base them on the actual music. So whoever rejected it would have listened to it and judged it more -core than metal.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:06 am 
 

Ok,
so there will be no second chance /ear (never) to get my band in the database?

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Azmodes
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You can post samples here and we'll re-evaluate.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:43 am 
 

https://aperfectday.bandcamp.com/album/lovers-beware

Can I please resubmit. I hope that this is classified as "metal" now. The riffs are clear and noticeable as well as its metal atmosphere.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:35 pm 
 

TheLoneForest wrote:
https://aperfectday.bandcamp.com/album/lovers-beware

Can I please resubmit. I hope that this is classified as "metal" now. The riffs are clear and noticeable as well as its metal atmosphere.


Yeeeah no. This is sounds just like Keyboards + Drums with the occasional clicking sounds that might be a guitar.
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