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therevenge
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:14 pm 
 

Well okay... Thanks for the quick answer, I have to admit it's the first time that somebody tells me Over The Reason is a hardcore band, some said deathcore but hardcore never.

Here some other songs to "help" you defining the style of the band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXJfxMMUKjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdYPq5KB3bw

Thanks ;)

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:24 pm 
 

I didn't say it was a hardcore band, not in the sense that Hatebreed or Black Flag are anyway. What I meant is that the hardcore-based part was judged more predominant than the metal part. That's not unusual for many metalcore or deathcore bands as those genres are basically metal+hardcore. Anyway, as I said, I'll consult with some of my peers, thanks for the additional links.
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therevenge
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:29 pm 
 

Okay no problem, thanks again !

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:44 pm 
 

Over the Reason gets a "No" from me. The drums and riffs are loud and "heavy" on an ephemeral level, but the riffs themselves aren't primarily metal. There are some Shadows Are Security-ish breakdowns, and a few undeniably metal intervals. But just looking at two songs, both of which are borderline at best (and I am assuming you picked two of the heavier songs anyway)... I don't think this is enough to remove the blacklisting.
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therevenge
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:52 pm 
 

Well no one in the band is listening to hardcore bands and the principal composer is a huge fan of Parkway Drive, and no I don't gave you the links of the most "heavy" of our songs just 2 random songs, all I can do is giving you 2 new songs to listen to, if you think that's more hardcore than metal than okay...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXJfxMMUKjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdYPq5KB3bw

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:22 pm 
 

First one is well on the hardcore side of things. The second one has a lot of metal in there, reminiscent of Shadows Are Security as Diamhea mentioned, but it doesn't quite seem to be predominantly metal. Still feels built around the breakdowns, with the riffs in between being a somewhat ambiguous melodic post-hardcore / metalcore sort of riff.

If there's an entire album full of stuff like that second song without much like the first one, I'd give it a listen, but it doesn't seem all that metal to me.

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Metallic Shock
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:47 pm 
 

I know Jeff Scott Soto's solo work isn't metal, but would his new band SOTO be metal enough for the site when the new album comes out in a week? Not sure exactly which subgenre I'd associate it with although there's definitely some groove metal in there and even some power metal like on End of Days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBE1gyRh4gk
90 second samples of every song on the upcoming album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85MjeRWGnUE
A full track called The Fall, kind of Adrenaline Mob-ish.

Previously he had uploaded a full stream of the song Wrath but took it down after posting the 18 minute sampler there. Also I'm not sure if (assuming this new album is considered metal enough for the site) we should add his previous solo catalog onto his page since there seems to be a slight distinction between the two despite having the same current lineup.
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Hisie
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:39 pm 
 

Can you let me resubmit the band Auré from El Salvador??

I tried to resubmit it but is blacklisted, the band release this year (tomorrow) their first EP, but this week some copies were sold, i have the EP, but the tracks are not in internet yet, i uploaded the EP for your listening.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/my9bn ... 8EP%29.rar

A live track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShO9vxa0AjY

In the draft page I uploaded the photo:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aur ... 3540381565

Please let me know if i can resubmit. :)

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Ashmaker
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:58 am 
 

German band "Jaded Heart" (from Duisburg) after firing of Michael Bormann (v) on the year of 2004 turned into real metal band with some progressive influences. Just listen to its last albums "Common Destiny" (2012) & "Fight The System" (2014). No trace of AOR at all! I believe it's high time to add the band to The Metal Archives.

Spoiler: show

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Rosner
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:43 pm 
 

Sorry for reposting this, but a couple of pages ago I made this objection and it went unnoticed by the mods:


Rosner wrote:
Hello! I want to object the rejection of the band Cabrocordero:

Quote:
"Experimental Drone. Not a metal band; does not belong on Encyclopaedia Metallum. Please read (or re-read) our rules next time to see what qualifies as metal."


I respectfully ask for a re-submission. I do not agree that the band is an "experimental drone" act: while their debut album "Namastie Qoh" has two tracks that can qualify as "experimental drone" ("Araucaria" and "Plata y Desprestigio"), and even some songs have drone-like intros or interludes (album opener "Sendero Luminoso" for example), I think that the main genre of the band is sludge/doom metal with an alternative edge to it (I'm thinking of bands like Melvins or Big Business). The band may be a two piece consisting of bass guitar and drums, but they have metal riffs (just like, for example, the first OM record!). Maybe the mixing on this full length is muddy and not very clear, but their EP "Ofrenda Inicial" has a cleaner production and features songs that were later re-recorded for the full length; here is a link to the full EP:



I think I made the mistake of submitting the band with a very ambiguous genre (Sludge/Doom/Alternative/Experimental): I think the Sludge or Sludge/Doom tag ar the best way to describe the band sound.

P.S: I think I accidentaly hit the "re-submit" button while trying to read the rules, I'm sorry!

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flexodus
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:47 pm 
 

Thoughts on adding Xibalba? New album leaked and they're basically a retro death metal band now
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:52 am 
 

I'll listen now, but I'd like to make it known that fuck I'm really fucking sick of people lobbying for Xibalba
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:00 am 
 

I'm listening to the new Xibalba and I'm pretty sure they're getting in with it but we'll have to reach a consensus. Full thoughts when the album is over.

Edit: definitely metal.
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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:09 am 
 

retro death is a stretch but both of the songs they already had online had more metal riffs than they had before by a mile.

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BastardHead
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:17 am 
 

I still hate the vocals but with only three songs left I have to agree that it'd be really hard to argue that death metal isn't the driving force behind this album. Take the vocals and breakdowns out of the last album, you'd be left with riffy beatdown hardcore that was still hardcore. Take the vocals and breakdowns out of this album and you've got mid 90s Swedish death metal.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:14 am 
 

Ashmaker wrote:
German band "Jaded Heart" (from Duisburg) after firing of Michael Bormann (v) on the year of 2004 turned into real metal band with some progressive influences. Just listen to its last albums "Common Destiny" (2012) & "Fight The System" (2014). No trace of AOR at all! I believe it's high time to add the band to The Metal Archives.

Spoiler: show

I skimmed through the 2012 album a bit and it seemed like metallic melodic rock at first glance.

Rosner, I'll check that soon.

That Xibalba album sounds fine to me. Reminds me a lot of what Mammoth Grinder are doing nowadays. Submit away.

Hisie wrote:
Can you let me resubmit the band Auré from El Salvador??

I tried to resubmit it but is blacklisted, the band release this year (tomorrow) their first EP, but this week some copies were sold, i have the EP, but the tracks are not in internet yet, i uploaded the EP for your listening.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/my9bn ... 8EP%29.rar

A live track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShO9vxa0AjY

In the draft page I uploaded the photo:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aur ... 3540381565

Please let me know if i can resubmit. :)

That's certainly metal, but I don't see evidence for a valid release. Got photos maybe? whoops, can't read. You can submit them.

Metallic Shock wrote:
I know Jeff Scott Soto's solo work isn't metal, but would his new band SOTO be metal enough for the site when the new album comes out in a week? Not sure exactly which subgenre I'd associate it with although there's definitely some groove metal in there and even some power metal like on End of Days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBE1gyRh4gk
90 second samples of every song on the upcoming album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85MjeRWGnUE
A full track called The Fall, kind of Adrenaline Mob-ish.

Previously he had uploaded a full stream of the song Wrath but took it down after posting the 18 minute sampler there. Also I'm not sure if (assuming this new album is considered metal enough for the site) we should add his previous solo catalog onto his page since there seems to be a slight distinction between the two despite having the same current lineup.

Well, that's not quite what this thread is for, this seems to be considered a new project. That band is not blacklisted, nor was it previously rejected. If you think it's acceptable, submit it once the album is out. If you have doubts, don't.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:16 pm 
 

Cabrocordero can now be submitted.
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Ashmaker
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:08 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
I skimmed through the 2012 album a bit and it seemed like metallic melodic rock at first glance.


Your keyword is "metallic". Check up the last album. The band had been escaped from its melodic roots to metal gradually. But it's not yet death metal of course))


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Navarro
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:08 pm 
 

I submitted a profile for http://asura3.bandcamp.com/album/raven-demo but it was rejected because "[it's] not a metal band; does not belong on Encyclopaedia Metallum": http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%C3 ... 3540391211

I don't see how this isn't metal. It's basically your typical atmospheric black metal, with a few mellow passages. As early Alcest, Caïna, Deafheaven, Fen, Gris, Vallendusk, Vit, Lantlôs and many other bands that are already on the database.

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PDS
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:12 pm 
 

There are way more Mellow passages than just "A few". It is more Post-Rock and Ambient than it is Black Metal.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:13 pm 
 

More like 50% mellow passages. Looking at the riffs, many are undeniably metal, but some aren't.

Sucks to have to split hairs like this, but I wouldn't consider this a primarily metal release. Someone more familiar with the style may chime in, but I don't support reversing the initial decision.
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Kratos64
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:57 pm 
 

I was just wonderin why Rammstein and Slipknot are blacklisted when bands like Mastodon and Alice in Chains are already on here, all are good tho

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:58 pm 
 

The first two aren't metal bands.
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Kratos64
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:10 am 
 

Rammstein is industrial metal and Slipknot is Nu-metal.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:20 am 
 

Use the search function, this has been asked countless times before.
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Kratos64
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:34 am 
 

yea

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Crohm
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:56 pm 
 

Hi
We received your reject.
Sorry not to read (and understood well) the rules.
We are an Heavy Metal band and we play Heavy Metal.
Here some link to listen three of our songs. Our CD is already recorded and we are working mastering and ready to print around middle/end February.
We will have also our song in a digital platform (we think Spotify)

EVERY NIGHT
https://soundcloud.com/crohm-aosta/every-night/s-arnpM

KAMIKAZE
https://soundcloud.com/crohm-aosta/kamikaze-1/s-6n3aN

LEGEND AND PROPHECY
https://soundcloud.com/crohm-aosta/lege ... cy/s-yVLKN


Here also our Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/home.php


We hope could be enough to deonstrate our Heavy Metal music
Let us know if could acceptable.
Thank you
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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:00 am 
 

Hi Crohm.

One of the requirements for band approvals is that the release must be already available. What this means is that you can resubmit in March 13, or whenever it is that the album is released.

And when you resubmit, please include all relevant links. Soundcloud links are ok for samples, and the more you include, the better. Other relevant things to link can be your band's websites, information about album distribution, photos of CDs, and label connections.

You can restore the band in your drafts from your My bands page and edit any of the information before resubmitting.

The Facebook link you put here is broken, by the way. It leads to the front page of Facebook, not a band page.
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Crohm
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:37 am 
 

Hi
OK. Thank you for replaying and clear answer. We will resubmit after the realease of our album.
Sorry for the wrong link. Here the right one: https://www.facebook.com/Crohmaosta?ref=hl

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:06 pm 
 

Ashmaker wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
I skimmed through the 2012 album a bit and it seemed like metallic melodic rock at first glance.


Your keyword is "metallic". Check up the last album. The band had been escaped from its melodic roots to metal gradually. But it's not yet death metal of course))


It doesn't need to be death metal, obviously. We're not 100% sure, but it still seems to be rock-based.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:48 pm 
 

This concerns Amadeus Awad's Eon.

The band was blacklisted due to a premature submission by yours truly. The band's sound wasn't metal enough, I admit, which explains why I've never ventured to discuss that here before. You were right, and I was hasty. However, have a listen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FerypXR9jL0
https://soundcloud.com/amadeusawad (samples from the new album: The Book of Gates and "The Dream" feat. Amanda Somerville and Russell Allan).

Still not metal? How about a resubmission? ;P

https://www.facebook.com/amadeus.awad.o ... 57/?type=1
https://www.facebook.com/amadeus.awad.o ... =3&theater

Recording:
Amanda Somerville: http://mrrmusic.com/album/the-book-of-gates/
John Macaluso: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19l2vyMtdVs
Elyes Bouchoucha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74ffte9dIU
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Brincken
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:41 am 
 

I'm a little bit mad about this..

I've been making a page for a band for a few months now, and I waited to put it in queue, until they released their EP.
They did yesterday, so I finished up the badn page, and suddenly, my page get rejected because somebody already had made a page... Today..

So, that isn't quite fair I think
- Especially when my page is better than his

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uglur
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:51 am 
 

Brincken wrote:
I'm a little bit mad about this..

I've been making a page for a band for a few months now, and I waited to put it in queue, until they released their EP.
They did yesterday, so I finished up the badn page, and suddenly, my page get rejected because somebody already had made a page... Today..

So, that isn't quite fair I think
- Especially when my page is better than his


First come, first served. thrashmetalhead09 submitted the band yesterday, 1 day before you did.
Also don't add releases limited to just 1 copy. These are not considered part of an official discography.

If you want to improve the entry he created, go ahead.

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Brincken
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uglur wrote:
Brincken wrote:
I'm a little bit mad about this..

I've been making a page for a band for a few months now, and I waited to put it in queue, until they released their EP.
They did yesterday, so I finished up the badn page, and suddenly, my page get rejected because somebody already had made a page... Today..

So, that isn't quite fair I think
- Especially when my page is better than his


First come, first served. thrashmetalhead09 submitted the band yesterday, 1 day before you did.
Also don't add releases limited to just 1 copy. These are not considered part of an official discography.

If you want to improve the entry he created, go ahead.



OK

Then why at all, submit the pages to a queue, when it doesn't matter which page is best?
Try to imagine, jobinterviews. "Oh, wow, you're so good at this! High education etc. But you where the second guy to come here, too bad."

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uglur
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:57 am 
 

Brincken wrote:
Then why at all, submit the pages to a queue, when it doesn't matter which page is best?
Try to imagine, jobinterviews. "Oh, wow, you're so good at this! High education etc. But you where the second guy to come here, too bad."


Band submissions by users get added to the queue first, that the mods can check them if they are valid and should be added to the site or not.
The submission by the other guy wasn't much worse than yours, or worse at all. He was first therefor his got accepted. The entries can be edited afterwards by anybody anyway, so in the end it doesn't matter who created the entry.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:50 pm 
 

Antioch wrote:
This concerns Amadeus Awad's Eon.

The band was blacklisted due to a premature submission by yours truly. The band's sound wasn't metal enough, I admit, which explains why I've never ventured to discuss that here before. You were right, and I was hasty. However, have a listen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FerypXR9jL0
https://soundcloud.com/amadeusawad (samples from the new album: The Book of Gates and "The Dream" feat. Amanda Somerville and Russell Allan).

Still not metal? How about a resubmission? ;P

https://www.facebook.com/amadeus.awad.o ... 57/?type=1
https://www.facebook.com/amadeus.awad.o ... =3&theater

Recording:
Amanda Somerville: http://mrrmusic.com/album/the-book-of-gates/
John Macaluso: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19l2vyMtdVs
Elyes Bouchoucha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74ffte9dIU

I've checked the entire album. Eeeeh, the metal parts still seem few and far between.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:50 pm 
 

"I've checked the entire album. Eeeeh, the metal parts still seem few and far between."


Yeah "Metal parts"... But that's no green light, is it? ^_~
Or................ is it?



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:53 pm 
 

Antioch wrote:
"I've checked the entire album. Eeeeh, the metal parts still seem few and far between."


Yeah "Metal parts"... But that's no green light, is it? ^_~
Or................ is it?



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No, it's not a green light. Bands must have at least one predominantly metal album in order to be accepted. This band's 2014 release doesn't sound like it is such an album.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:36 pm 
 

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This band's 2014 release doesn't sound like it is such an album.


Guess we'll have to wait then.
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GucumatzKalam
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Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:16 am
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:08 pm 
 

Greetings.

Why was Granatus (Black Metal) rejected?

supposedly the reason is "I STILL don't see any strikingly convincing evidence" (by the moderator "OpsiusCato")


Here my evidences:

SONGS:

https://soundcloud.com/eanm/you-will-die

https://soundcloud.com/eanm/empaladoras-leis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V_fU-r7_vw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx6G4U7yL5k




**INFO ABOUT THE BAND BY FANPAGE**

https://www.facebook.com/666.AntiHuman. ... =1&theater

***THEIR LABEL***

https://www.facebook.com/pages/WAR-legi ... 37?fref=ts

**PHYSICAL EVIDENCE***

https://www.facebook.com/82855124720573 ... =1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/82855124720573 ... =1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/82855124720573 ... =1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/82855124720573 ... =1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/82855124720573 ... =1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/82855124720573 ... =1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/82855124720573 ... =1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/82855124720573 ... =1&theater



I DON'T UNDERSTAND, CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME WHY WAS REJECTED THE BAND?

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