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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:43 pm 
 

ThePoop wrote:
Was Myrkur blacklisted because the debut EP has not come out physically yet?


Yup, still got a few days to go.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:53 pm 
 

Yeah, I got sick of seeing her pop up in the queue again and again because people don't read the rules.
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:24 pm 
 

lol @ allmusic as a source

The same allmusic that lists Opeth and Nightwish as symphonic black metal and goth metal? Yeah, no
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doomster999
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:57 am 
 

Morrigan wrote:
lol @ allmusic as a source

The same allmusic that lists Opeth and Nightwish as symphonic black metal and goth metal? Yeah, no


Hell, they even list Insane Clown Pose as metal!! :boo:

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/insane-c ... 0000079959
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LefterisK
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:12 pm 
 

Hello to everyone,

I want to ask about the Greek band Once Them Edens. I asked in the forum and they told me that this band was banned from the archives because it was not metal enough, at least at the time of their debut album, something that I think was a correct choice. However, the second album seems to be a lot heavier so I believe that they deserve a place in this site. I mean there are other bands way less metal than this. Check this song for proof: https://soundcloud.com/once_them_edens/ ... inest-wine

Also proof of the physical release of the album can be found here: http://satanath.com/news/item/once-them-edens

Thank you very much in advance.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:41 pm 
 

I'm a bit confused. They say that 'He Who Spits the Finest Wine' is a single from their second album, but the album you linked to doesn't have it, yet was released after the blacklisting. So is "The Year Is One" actually their debut? Is the second album still upcoming? Anyway, "The Year Is One" doesn't sound very metal, overall.
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LefterisK
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:06 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
I'm a bit confused. They say that 'He Who Spits the Finest Wine' is a single from their second album, but the album you linked to doesn't have it, yet was released after the blacklisting. So is "The Year Is One" actually their debut? Is the second album still upcoming? Anyway, "The Year Is One" doesn't sound very metal, overall.


Υes and I agree. The song 'He Who Spits the Finest Wine' is just a taste from the second album which has not been released yet! The song itself though, was released as a single and a video clip.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:11 pm 
 

Gotcha. In that case, wait until the second full-length is released. I agree that the single did sound more promising, but we're going to need the full album once it releases.
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LefterisK
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:14 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Gotcha. In that case, wait until the second full-length is released. I agree that the single did sound more promising, but we're going to need the full album once it releases.


ΟK, thank you very much!
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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:32 pm 
 

Hi, can Myrkur band be unblacklisted now? since is almost 12th in Germany/Benelux one of the release dates in that countries http://www.relapse.com/myrkur/ also there are shops which currently are shipping them away, for example in record shop x http://www.recordshopx.com/single/myrkur/myrkur/#mlp it doesn't appear as pre-order anymore, other: it is just Black Metal: http://pitchfork.com/advance/535-myrkur/ thanks
EDIT: already 12th in Germany

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:17 pm 
 

:roll: Go ahead.
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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:19 pm 
 

ok, done, thanks dude

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The_Vlad
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:50 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
C'mon dude, you know what I mean, no need to be flippant.

Well, I guess that answers whether it's out yet or not. Approved. But what's the release date? If you have it since Friday, it's not September.

EDIT: In the immortal words of Colonel Jack O'Neill... OH FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD Can you explain that, Vlad?


I was about to post the digital single that was already released, when the page was accepted. I thought the case was closed. As I see, I was wrong. Anyway, please let me edit the discography. I'll delete the album as the release date was, indeed, pushed back to 26th.

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herinson
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:34 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Zaltana/3540380640

I wonder what it is metal for you guys. The band which I had submitted named Zaltana has all the "pre-requisites" to be a metal band.
It took almost one month to reject this band and funny thing is I had submitted a band with the same music style as Zaltana.

- Solos? Ok
- Riffs? Ok
- Double bass drum? Ok

So, please, guys just tell me what's not metal. I see a lot of black metal bands here and they don't even have a full album, just EP with few songs (noises?).

What was wrong?

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Gorborer
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:37 am 
 

Hello.
I wannt to add on the metal-archive project Spell of Dark, but i was notified what that project was added to blacklist. I think it was mistake. Project have digital release (http://spellofdark.bandcamp.com/ ), and this release was released on labels. I wannt know the reason why this project is in the black list ? Thanks.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:06 am 
 

Gorborer wrote:
Hello.
I wannt to add on the metal-archive project Spell of Dark, but i was notified what that project was added to blacklist. I think it was mistake. Project have digital release (http://spellofdark.bandcamp.com/ ), and this release was released on labels. I wannt know the reason why this project is in the black list ? Thanks.


Bands are rarely blacklisted over a lack of release. The band is on the blacklist for being more ambient than metal.
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PDS
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:32 am 
 

herinson wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Zaltana/3540380640

I wonder what it is metal for you guys. The band which I had submitted named Zaltana has all the "pre-requisites" to be a metal band.
It took almost one month to reject this band and funny thing is I had submitted a band with the same music style as Zaltana.

- Solos? Ok
- Riffs? Ok
- Double bass drum? Ok

So, please, guys just tell me what's not metal. I see a lot of black metal bands here and they don't even have a full album, just EP with few songs (noises?).

What was wrong?


Hmmm.. "HEY GUYS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER BANDS THAT AREN'T METAL THAT HAVE SOLOS? YES? OK. DOUBLE BASS? OK" Basically, your "pre-requisites" for a metal band, could apply to other bands. So there is some fail in your logic. Five points from Gryffindor

I'm listening to the band now, it sounds like some shitty Evanescence meets Nu-Metal guitars.

If you submitted a band that was of similar style to this band, please tell us. If it has guitars like that band, I will personally purge the band from this archive myself.







Dear god, my post sounded so ill-tempered
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herinson
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:23 am 
 

Have you listened to the entire album or just the three songs that are in their YouTube Channel?

Evanescence?? Really?? If Evanescence had such riffs and vocals, they certainly wouldn't be a mainstream band.

What is your criteria to define a band as metal??
Let's just take a fresh example from yesterday -> http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arr ... 3540385895

Humm... metalcore with sweet vocals and ~guttural~ (soooo metal)

I really need to know what's your criteria...

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PDS
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:38 pm 
 

Our criteria are in the rules. Read them a couple times. Zaltana isn't metal. End of story.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:40 pm 
 

The_Vlad wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
C'mon dude, you know what I mean, no need to be flippant.

Well, I guess that answers whether it's out yet or not. Approved. But what's the release date? If you have it since Friday, it's not September.

EDIT: In the immortal words of Colonel Jack O'Neill... OH FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD Can you explain that, Vlad?


I was about to post the digital single that was already released, when the page was accepted. I thought the case was closed. As I see, I was wrong. Anyway, please let me edit the discography. I'll delete the album as the release date was, indeed, pushed back to 26th.

A digital single is not enough. The entry can be restored once the album is actually released.
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herinson
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:45 pm 
 

Ok, PDS, I'm gonna agree with your "arguments".

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:57 pm 
 

herinson wrote:
Ok, PDS, I'm gonna agree with your "arguments".


It isn't metal. It is "heavy" on an ephemeral level at times, but the riffs are quite blatantly of the mallcore variety. A somewhat strange case, I'll give you that, but hardly deserving of the accentuated priority we have already given it. Moving on...
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acephalewinter
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:10 am 
 

Hello,

I was wondering if the blacklisting of Berkeley, CA's Dunnock could be reconsidered? The first album was full of long dark ambient passages and atonal "noise' riffs, so I can understand why it didn't make the grade. The new tape (out Wednesday, Sept 10 on Sylvan Screams Analog), however, has a much more conventional lo-fi black metal sound and structure, with very little noise and almost no ambient, folk, or experimental passages.

https://dunnock.bandcamp.com/album/the-rainy-season

Thanks


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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:25 am 
 

acephalewinter wrote:
Wednesday, Sept 12

What? Today's a Friday.
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acephalewinter
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:28 am 
 

Oops, fixed it. Sorry.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:51 am 
 

Dunnock: Okay you can submit.
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Keirakain
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:24 pm 
 

I'm curious as to why the band Pomegranate Tiger has been blacklisted. I wouldn't really classify them as anything other than metal, but I suppose if you really want to argue they might have some "djent" qualities?

Really I'd just call them Progressive Metal though, even though I know how broad of a term that can be.

Their album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnhX-bjZfCQ

If they are too "djent" though, I understand. I'm just curious, since the material on that album isn't just bland polyrhythms like I've heard with most djent bands (Messhuggah especially)

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:18 pm 
 

Keirakain wrote:
I'm curious as to why the band Pomegranate Tiger has been blacklisted. I wouldn't really classify them as anything other than metal, but I suppose if you really want to argue they might have some "djent" qualities?

Really I'd just call them Progressive Metal though, even though I know how broad of a term that can be.

Their album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnhX-bjZfCQ

If they are too "djent" though, I understand. I'm just curious, since the material on that album isn't just bland polyrhythms like I've heard with most djent bands (Messhuggah especially)


Kinda cool, but yeah: Djent.
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Necroticism174
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:34 pm 
 

How come Affiance is blacklisted? They're basically a straight metalcore band with power metal influenced vocals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZoK00OBXAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAu_mTxa0r0
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PDS
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:41 pm 
 

Necroticism174 wrote:
How come Affiance is blacklisted? They're basically a straight metalcore band with power metal influenced vocals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZoK00OBXAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAu_mTxa0r0


More -core than metal.
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Necroticism174
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Alright, thank you.
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aerogun18
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:37 pm 
 

Why isn't Gary Moore accepted in the archives? Have any of you ever listened to Dirty Fingers? Claiming this album isn't heavy metal would be quite ridiculous.

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:58 pm 
 

Here, have some links to the album he's talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKDrbr2xT1Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBLtg2I_0Qo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nr2TV2kItM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6GXcJevRSY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlYEAmc0APw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyBxbnqnI3I
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:33 am 
 

Sorry, I forgot to post a link to show you the music. -_-

You can listen to the whole album here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XpKait ... Btqy_qYwag

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Azmodes
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Huh, yeah, this actually started out as heavy metal. I was about to sign off on this, but unfortunately the album doesn't stay consistent.

Here's a quick run-down of each song, my first impressions:
1. metal
(2. shred instrumental)
3. metal
(4. cover)
5. metallic hard rock
6. metal/rock
7. hard rock
8. metal
9. hard rock
10. ballad

As far as I know, this guy has quite the discography of blues/hard rock, so unless there's other albums to consider, I don't think this quite qualifies him.
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aerogun18
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He has some heavy songs here and there, but not any other albums like this one. This is the heaviest he ever got.

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Stormrider
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:41 pm 
 

He has heavy tunes on basically every album til 1989 After The War (i.e. "Murder In The Skies" from Victims Of The Future - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyEMnA70Kb0 or his collaboration with Phil Lynott "Out in the fields") and of course he's one of those guitars often mentioned by metal guitarist as an influence.

Unfortunately he did never hold the heavyness over the distance of a complete album. From that point of view i'd almost compare his work to bands like Thin Lizzy (whom he played in) or the Scorpions, which certainly are borderline metal but mor important hugely influential on metal musicians. Not sure if that's enough "metalness" to put him into Metal-Archives though.
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Since Stormrider^ just brought them up and this is the thread for it, I wonder why Scorpions are in the archives and UFO are not? I've heard the stuff that people have considered their "most metal" and it sounded about as metal as something like this, so do Scorpions just have some more consistently "metal" albums, or do they just happen to be one of those "important exceptions"?

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teh_Foxx0rz wrote:
Since Stormrider^ just brought them up and this is the thread for it, I wonder why Scorpions are in the archives and UFO are not? I've heard the stuff that people have considered their "most metal" and it sounded about as metal as something like this, so do Scorpions just have some more consistently "metal" albums, or do they just happen to be one of those "important exceptions"?


I didn't bring them up to start a new discussion session that's for sure;-)

The discussions about wether certain bands qualify to be "included" have been done to death actually. There will always be some inconsistencies about that topic anyway bacause there's simply no way to draw a clear line about which band is metal enough (or just important enough as an influence) to be included on M-A.
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The Rules wrote:
[..] Scorpions [..] are not considered metal by some. Understandable, as their music and heaviness varied and was debatable at times. But what they sometimes lacked in "metalness", they made for in historical importance, and they are there to stay.
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