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Terrion666
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:37 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
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Why Aniara from Sweden was blacklisted? The evolved from Oak to Aniara a re-released their demo under Aniara'a monicker. Thanks

It says that their only output so far is said re-release. Hence they do not have any recordings of their own under the new name.

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Rolo Lemus
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:37 pm 
 

Hey Guys!! cheers from Guatemala,

Here Rolo, vocals on Inanición from Guatemala, I've seen the discussion generated out of Inanición and fellow Grindcore band SxRxT not being includ3ed on the metal achives, well a couple of things now...

1. Indeed Grindcore (in general) is not metal, actually Grindcore is a sub genre of Hardcore Punk, the "metal" thing about grindcore could be that normally gutural vocals (highs and lows) are normally used on this particular genre, also the inclussion of blast beats, so it could be asociated with Death Metal, actually some scenes define Grindcore as the mix between Hardcore Punk and Death Metal.
2. It is kind of wierd for me that you guys came up with this argument about us not being included on the metal achives since Atrophy, my old Grindcore band, is listed here.
3. Now, let's go a little bit further in the past and let's check on the facts related between Punk and Metal, if you guys go over the history of many bands like Metallica, Mayhem, Dark Throne, Exodus, Possesed, Hell Hammer, Megadeth, Napalm Death and even Iron Maiden (Diano's era) these bands were influenced directly by punk bands like Dead Kennedy's, Black Flag, Sex Pistols, Siege, MIstfits, The Ramones, Discharge and many other pioneers of the punk scene...

So, why dont include bands just because they have punk influences if pretty much Thrash, Black Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, etc... have punk influeces?

Im not trying to confront... just trying to understand.... take good care you guys!!! and thanx for this space that have open many doors to many bands from small countries like mine!

Cheers!!!!

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:53 pm 
 

Rolo Lemus wrote:
So, why dont include bands just because they have punk influences if pretty much Thrash, Black Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, etc... have punk influeces?


That's a good point. You know, Black Sabbath was influenced by blues music too, and they laid the groundwork for the entire metal genre. Should we add Ma Rainey and Ray Charles too?

You see, a line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere. Some people might draw it further away from Slayer than others. This site draws it pretty firmly around what are metallic guitar riffs. It ends there.

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actually some scenes define Grindcore as the mix between Hardcore Punk and Death Metal.

Grindcore's actually a lot broader than that when you consider the numerous variations of it - cybergrind, goregrind, noisegrind, crusty-spastic-mathy-chaotic-grind, "jazz"grind, etc. The original definition of it is, of course, rooted in hardcore/crust punk. It's kinda inaccurate to consider it a blend of punk and death metal, when death metal was still developing at the same time as grind was (the early 90s were a pretty good era, eh?)

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It is kind of wierd for me that you guys came up with this argument about us not being included on the metal achives since Atrophy, my old Grindcore band, is listed here.

We consider bands on a case-by-case basis. Some bands will have releases that are acceptable, and still have similarities to bands whose discographies are too punkish to be accepted.

I haven't slept, so if any part of this post comes across as unclear, attribute it to sleep-deprivation and six cans of Red Bull on Swansong.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:58 am 
 

Rolo Lemus wrote:
So, why dont include bands just because they have punk influences

This may just be semantics, but we do include bands with non-metal influences. As long as metal still forms the basis and dominant part of their sound. Simply ask yourself this: Is the name of this site "The Metal Archives" or "The Metal-Influenced Archives"?
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Zaputzaldi
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:31 am 
 

What about Wrekmeister Harmonies? Although their first recordings were exclusively drone/ambient, their last offerings have a fair ammount of doom metal (no surprise since people like Sanford parker or the guys of Indian play there)

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:39 am 
 

Blacklisted since October 2014 for being post-rock. Any new releases since then?
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Zaputzaldi
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:52 pm 
 

Yes, they've released a new album recently, here is an excerpt from the first track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjIdNNjYtMo

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:22 pm 
 

I hear what you mean. Listened to the album on Bandcamp and it strikes me as acceptable. I'll get a second opinion first, though.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:40 am 
 

Zaputzaldi, you can submit Wrekmeister Harmonies.
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CosmicDruid
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:11 pm 
 

Requesting details on why The Canyon Observer (Slovenia) was blacklisted

I personally see this project to be in a similar stylistic vein as Light Bearer, who are listed. If the general consensus is that the majority of the band's work is post-rock, I understand why they were blacklisted. I'm requesting confirmation/clarification on what the group's genre is as identified by MA.

In addition, if their upcoming LP is deemed to be a mostly metal album, would their blacklist be removed? Their 3rd LP FVCK is being released on November 20 and the track Luscious Red has been released for preview streaming (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68_88ULF1R4). I personally find the majority (2/3) of this track to be metal. If anyone thinks otherwise, I'll consider their analysis.

Thanks.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:58 pm 
 

Too much post-rock.

And yes, the blacklisting can be overturned if the new album is metal enough.
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Evil Ewald
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:28 am 
 

My band "Terrible Old Man" was rejected. We should provide the whole album for listening...

here you are: https://open.spotify.com/artist/7t1JXLjs2mwHRCgcqIjwtw

is that ok? what do i have to do, to get it registered?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:57 am 
 

Thanks, resubmit. EDIT: Know what, I've simply restored it.
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raspberrysoda
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:59 am 
 

Why was Tad blacklisted?
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:08 am 
 

Grunge.
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Asraeth
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:26 pm 
 

Hi there,

unfortunately my band was rejected again because "it's already in database".
Problem is, my band was rejected earlier this year because we did not have any release yet. That's fine.
Now that we released today I submitted the band Mytherine, which is my very own band btw, and it got rejected because someone else added it to the database?!

Fine, the problem is, that this user added some information to the band's profile that is simply not correct. Another point is that it took a lot of time and effort to enter all information about the band and the album, demo, etc and now it's going to be a waste since someone else entered MY band a minute before I could...

So I'd ask you to delete the duplicate: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Myt ... 3540404040 and enable my version.

Surely you'd like to ensure that I'm not talking bullshit here so send me an e-mail at raven[at]mytherine[dot]de (or any other e-mail-address you can find on http://www.mytherine.de) and I'll prove my credibility ;)

Thanks a lot in advance!

Best regards
Raven Tongue aka Asraeth

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:31 pm 
 

We are not going to delete the entry, because there is nothing wrong with it. Anyone can create an account and add bands. You submitted the band before it was acceptable under our guidelines, the other user waited until it was. Why would we remove his entry if the band is valid? Whoever added a band is not that important in the long run anyway, it doesn't give anyone any additional editing privileges.

You are welcome to make a report for the band entry and point out any errors or updates.
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Zaputzaldi
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:03 pm 
 

Why has Gnaw (US band featuring guys from Khanate) been deleted?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:08 pm 
 

Because it's industrial/noise and was judged not notable enough to warrant a page as a side-project.

viewtopic.php?p=2347312#p2347312
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Zaputzaldi
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:11 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Because it's industrial/noise and was judged not notable enough to warrant a page as a side-project.

viewtopic.php?p=2347312#p2347312


I could imagine... their first album was basically that, industrial/noise. Maybe you should check out their last effort, a bit less industrial and more sludge/doom:

http://releases.seventhrule.com/album/horrible-chamber

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:24 pm 
 

Getting there, eh? Yeah, some sludge/doom, but it really doesn't sound like it's the basis of the music.
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Defreasis
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:49 am 
 

Why Bleeding Sick is blacklisted?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:51 am 
 

No proof for a valid release and the user kept resubmitting regardless.
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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:10 pm 
 

Could Nick Caldwell and the Robot Drummer be re-evaluated? Yes it sounds very punk but I think it's more metal then punk https://nickcaldwellandtherobotdrummer.bandcamp.com/

I also didn't get a reply about Money Hater

http://moneyhater.bandcamp.com

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PorcupineOfDoom
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:53 am 
 

What does the blacklist note say about Aeverium? It's clearly borderline, but I believe a case could be made for it being symphonic metal.

http://open.spotify.com/album/7cWIFMv78PYW8t2Wae5S1w

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:03 am 
 

RazorDick wrote:
Could Nick Caldwell and the Robot Drummer be re-evaluated? Yes it sounds very punk but I think it's more metal then punk https://nickcaldwellandtherobotdrummer.bandcamp.com/

Too punk, I'm afraid.

RazorDick wrote:
I also didn't get a reply about Money Hater

http://moneyhater.bandcamp.com

You did. Blacklisted by Alhadis for being noisecore to boot.

PorcupineOfDoom wrote:
What does the blacklist note say about Aeverium? It's clearly borderline, but I believe a case could be made for it being symphonic metal.

http://open.spotify.com/album/7cWIFMv78PYW8t2Wae5S1w

The blacklisting is from 2014, I'll check out that new album. EDIT: Okay yeah, this seems pretty obvious. Blacklist says "Evanescence meets Papa Roach" and that's accurate.
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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:40 pm 
 

Dang, I really thought Nick Caldwell and the Robot Drummer would be borderline acceptable.

Money Hater has released new songs since the last time I submitted them and the links I provided. Money Hater does have noisecore but also a lot of raw black metal. Sounds like raw blackened grindcore to me.

https://moneyhater.bandcamp.com/album/victims-of-greed

https://moneyhater.bandcamp.com/album/murderous-avarice

https://moneyhater.bandcamp.com/album/c ... capitalism


https://moneyhater.bandcamp.com/album/r ... bombardeos

https://moneyhater.bandcamp.com/album/n ... ve-assault

https://moneyhater.bandcamp.com/album/consumerism


https://www.youtube.com/c/MoneyHater

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Godsfarm
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:38 pm 
 

Sorry! I didn't get the system, now i do.
I Added a release, but it says that i've been blacklisted? I got it from submitting the wrong thing over and over again, but i've got it all in order now!
The bandsname is: Godsfarm
This is my bandcamp page: https://godsfarm.bandcamp.com/
and Youtube page: https://www.youtube.com/user/FlakJacketeer

Good day!
And i hope we can solve this little problem!
Tijn.

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TheStormIRide
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:47 pm 
 

Godsfarm wrote:
The bandsname is: Godsfarm
This is my bandcamp page: https://godsfarm.bandcamp.com/


Aside from the multiple submissions, the only available releases seem to be digital only singles. Digital singles do not count as a valid release per the guidelines. Check the following for further clarification.

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Lack of VR:
A band needs a valid release before they can be accepted to the site - a valid release is one that's either:
• Distributed in physical form (CD, CDr, DVD, tape, vinyl, etc)
• Digital and available for full download: must also be a finished/final mix (no garage rehearsals or rough mixes), AND long enough (preferably over 20 minutes)
• Already released. That is, no upcoming releases!

To prove this, you must include one of the following:
PHYSICAL RELEASES: Include photographic evidence (such as http://i.imgur.com/v1LdNQM.jpg or http://i.imgur.com/m6pRzJa.jpg) and upload them to a site like http://imgur.com/. Optionally, if you don't have access to any of the copies, you can include links to sites like BigCartel or a label's page that's selling them, or officially announced them as available for ordering.
DIGITAL-ONLY RELEASES: Include links to sites like Bandcamp, iTunes, Amazon, etc, to where the release can be purchased or downloaded.
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TheLoneForest
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:20 pm 
 

My band "lostlov" had been recently rejected. As I cannot read the blacklist, can I ask what it may say?

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:23 pm 
 

While the black list does mention there is one Metal song, it also mentions that the majority of the albums is noisy punk and/or shoegaze.
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Goranistan
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:03 pm 
 

My band Matter in the Medium was rejected because it "is not metal". I believe this is a mistake due to the intro of our album being piano. I would like the staff to re asses more than the intro.

I don't mean to argue by any means but I just don't understand what is not metal about the album... Please have a listen again and see that it is quite fast and heavy...

www.matterinthemedium.com

Should I re apply? I don't want to get black listed but we already have 2 METAL studio albums... thanks

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:35 pm 
 

The blacklist indicates the band plays technical -core stuff. A piano intro has nothing to do with the blacklist.
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Goranistan
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:52 am 
 

We have 2 albums, I doubt you would consider the first one 'core'.

I've been a fan of this site for years and I'm really blown away that you don't consider Matter in the Medium as metal. First time I've ever heard that in the 7 years the band has been performing.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we can let the public decide I guess.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:14 am 
 

Goranistan wrote:
We have 2 albums, I doubt you would consider the first one 'core'.

I listened to both before rejecting. I suppose the music comes close in places, but it seemed more on the -core side of things, emphasis on technicality and hardcore/djent rhythms.

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we can let the public decide I guess.

Sure, after all we only assess bands for this site, not issue laws for the global metalhead community to abide by. Don't let us tell you how you should feel about your music.
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19dlb92
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:37 pm 
 

Hi

I recently wanted to submit Nachtqual (International, DSBM) but it was rejected because it was unclear where to buy the demo.
The thing is, this project has one core member which is Waldseel all the others are session or guest members. You can only officially buy the releases by contacting him via e-mail ([email protected]). Additionally all guest musicians will get some copies, of the release in which they're took part in, to sell or give away on their own. Because the guest musicians are anonymous you can get it only from Waldseel. There is NO shop, NO bandcamp, only the email adress as contact.
Here is the video explaining the concept. It's first explained in german then in engilsh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8um5R4fsUJE
(the song is called Schleichender Nebel by Nachtqual)

Here again the proof of a valid album (in this case its a demo): http://cdn.discogs.com/2_cCZ75gU-MoAzka ... 7.jpeg.jpg

I think it is enough information to resubmit it. or am I wrong?
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:55 pm 
 

Any more samples, perchance? You (or Waldseel) can email me some songs, if you want.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:01 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Any more samples, perchance? You (or Waldseel) can email me some songs, if you want.


will send you the whole demo via wetransfer. just a sec!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:18 pm 
 

19dlb92 wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
Any more samples, perchance? You (or Waldseel) can email me some songs, if you want.


will send you the whole demo via wetransfer. just a sec!

Thanks, please resubmit.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:19 am 
 

For those of you who don't know them, Ace Lane was a band active during the NWOBHM, and the released an album in 1983 titled "See You In Heaven" (take a listen, it's pretty good). I don't understand why they are blacklisted on this site. It is not heavy enough or it too blues-influenced. Black Sabbath was blues-influenced. Black Sabbath's "Paranoid" was no heavier than this. I say that they were a metal band with some hard/blues rock influences, and they were damn good two!

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