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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:08 pm 
 

I have restored Koroner, Antioch.

kotugunler wrote:
Swine Soul, don't know why its blacklisted but here is the latest release: https://merdumgiriz.bandcamp.com/album/ ... ise-plague

Blacklisted for being more noise than metal. Sounds like that still applies.

Amber Gray wrote:
Might my new EP/album earn Q'uq'umatz a reconsideration? https://ququmatz.bandcamp.com/album/i-k ... -the-trees

No, sorry.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:41 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
I have restored Koroner, Antioch.

Great. Cheers, dude.

Bumping this one.....
What year was Ales Brichta Project blacklisted?
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Zaephar
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:06 pm 
 

I would like to know why Extrema Unción from Spain is blacklisted. As they said on their bandcamp, this is black metal porn noise like Goat Vulva (which is accepted on the web). Here their bandcamp: https://extrema-uncion.bandcamp.com/

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FNORDER
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:08 pm 
 

Fnorder
We are an Italian metal band. Our inspiration band are Black Sabbath, Riot, Iron Maiden, Motorhead...a metal with old hard rock melodies. We have saw in your archive band like Def Leppard that is not really metal!!!
In italy is very dufficult to play and made metal songs and so we hope to be accepted by your site: our project is well done and we want also to be a example for other italian metal band.
So please review our request. We are ready for every question by your side.

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Melancholy Beast
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:42 pm 
 

Hello,

One of my band submission had been rejected due to the reason of ""We have judged the band's current releases with the evidence you've provided and found that none of the band's valid albums are predominantly heavy metal, according to our rules.

This is atmospheric djent totally lacking in metal riffs."

But I do not believe that. Would anyone be kind enough to re-evaluate my submission and listen to the samples carefully enough and then tell me whether the band is acceptable or not! That would really be very much appreciated.

Here is the band submission link : http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ora ... 3540419766

Samples on YouTube : 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92cl_2pL9zA
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DWZRKUw2g0
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7R3svUWNP0

Bandcampl Album link : https://rubayet.bandcamp.com/album/conc ... e-universe

Please do listen to them and I hope the band will be accepted.

Thank You,

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:16 pm 
 

I don't agree that it is overtly djent, but even if I did think it had enough metal riffage, my decision would be overruled. It has been discussed and the blacklisting stands.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:08 pm 
 

I was one of the two mods who dealt with that submission. I only listened to parts of the album, but what I heard was mostly rhythmic chugs and no riffs. The other mod who eventually decided to reject it agreed with that assessment. I've listened to the album some more just now and it still doesn't sound riffy to me, also with a lot of atmospheric parts. Perhaps not archetypical djent, but not what this site has in mind when it comes to (predominance of) metal riffs either.

FNORDER wrote:
Fnorder
We are an Italian metal band. Our inspiration band are Black Sabbath, Riot, Iron Maiden, Motorhead...a metal with old hard rock melodies. We have saw in your archive band like Def Leppard that is not really metal!!!
In italy is very dufficult to play and made metal songs and so we hope to be accepted by your site: our project is well done and we want also to be a example for other italian metal band.
So please review our request. We are ready for every question by your side.

Your band was judged to be borderline hard rock/heavy metal, apparently a bit more rock than metal. Def Leppard are listed because of their debut, see the additional notes for their entry. Also, we are not a promotional site.
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Amber Gray
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:36 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
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Amber Gray wrote:
Might my new EP/album earn Q'uq'umatz a reconsideration? https://ququmatz.bandcamp.com/album/i-k ... -the-trees

No, sorry.

Welp, so much for my metal riffs
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goretraade
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:11 am 
 

Hi
I think that is not correct to reject Shine of Menelvagor on encyclopedia metallum because there are many similar bands on this site (like nortt or sunn0))) that have been accepted. I think Shine of Menelvagor have all the characteristics required to be added on Ency metallum. Rules have to be the same for all the bands, not just for few of them.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:04 am 
 

goretraade wrote:
Hi
I think that is not correct to reject Shine of Menelvagor on encyclopedia metallum because there are many similar bands on this site (like nortt or sunn0))) that have been accepted.


As explained many times before in this very thread, that isn't a reason to overturn blacklistings. It isn't that black and white.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:08 am 
 

goretraade wrote:
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I think that is not correct to reject Shine of Menelvagor on encyclopedia metallum because there are many similar bands on this site (like nortt or sunn0))) that have been accepted. I think Shine of Menelvagor have all the characteristics required to be added on Ency metallum. Rules have to be the same for all the bands, not just for few of them.


The rules are the same for all bands. It takes one valid (by site definition), predominantly metal release to get on MA.
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Marching_Over_Blood_In_Hell
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:18 am 
 

Romper Room Rejects

The Phsycal Release : https://www.discogs.com/Romper-Room-Rej ... se/6149516

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kotugunler
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:43 am 
 

kotugunler wrote:
Swine Soul, don't know why its blacklisted but here is the latest release: https://merdumgiriz.bandcamp.com/album/ ... ise-plague

Blacklisted for being more noise than metal. Sounds like that still applies.

And yet you have Black Cilice in there...

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:56 am 
 

Marching_Over_Blood_In_Hell wrote:
Romper Room Rejects

The Phsycal Release : https://www.discogs.com/Romper-Room-Rej ... se/6149516

The band was rejected for being too punk, not for lack of a release. The rejection message was very clear on that.

kotugunler wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
[Swine Soul b]lacklisted for being more noise than metal. Sounds like that still applies.


And yet you have Black Cilice in there...

Alright, guess I'll have to quote part of this thread's OP again, since by looking at this last page alone the concept still appears to elude people:
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5. Comparing bands (don't)

This may seem like the obvious course of action in some cases, but be advised that we generally frown upon arguments like "you have band A listed and band B is similar, hence you must also accept band B". Please avoid this, as it comes with the following problems:
1) We simply do not work that way. Each band is assessed and judged on its own merit and trying to compare two distinct bands is treacherous business, even if they may sound similar. And if the two are indeed sonic carbon copies, perhaps the listed one should be deleted instead.
2) Since the site lists a (very) small number of non-metal exceptions, one might be tempted to use them as a reference point. However, these are exactly that, exceptions, and not subject to our guidelines on music.
3) Slippery slope. We do not want to base further inclusions solely on one or more listed band(s) that might be questionable or were wrongly approved to begin with. We would rather (re-)assess the proposed inclusion and the compared listed band(s) on their own instead of expanding a part of the database based around repeated instances of a resigned "we'll, we have this, why not this as well?". See item 1).
4) Most importantly, the Archives can in some ways be seen as a database of metal releases rather than bands. What that means is that in order to gain entry, a band only needs one predominantly metal release (ideally a full-length), regardless of the rest of their discography. This can result in bands starting out as metal, but changing to non-metal later or the reverse. More subtle cases exist, with bands being listed based on a (possibly lesser-known) fraction of their discography. So how does this connect to comparing bands? Well, it's simple: Since we judge releases, comparing band A as a whole to band B as a whole is a fallacious argument when one is actually comparing non-metal output of band A (accepted based on their metal output) to non-metal output of band B (unacceptable because they have no metal output). Consider it one level above arguing that band B should be included because they have a few songs as metal as band A's releases.

So again, each band is judged individually and we don't do the blind approach "A, hence also B".
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GrizMex
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:44 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
EpicDismemberment wrote:
Why was Goatfather from France rejected then blacklisted?


"Not a metal band; does not belong on Encyclopaedia Metallum. Please read (or re-read) our rules next time to see what qualifies as metal."

Stoner rock. Blacklisted by the boss of that style, Azmodes.


Hi guys ! I understand that some may think that stoner rock is not metal. But speaking of Goatfather, I would say their music is heavily influenced by metal. Goatfather's facebook page indicate "heavy/stoner" (i.e. a mixture of heavy metal and stoner), with a majority of metal influences (Viking Skull, Down, God Damn, Black Label Society, Orange Goblin, COC, Electric Wizard, Black Sabbath, Slash, Grand Magus, AC/DC, Free, Led Zeppelin, Fu Manchu, Pantera, Red Fang).
By the way, if you listen to some songs like "The Betrayer" or "A Road Paved with Corpses", they're closer to heavy or even death metal than to classic stoner rock. And the second part of "The Devil Made Me Smoke His Bong" almost sounds like doom metal.
Well, to my mind this band could definitely be added to the website. It's up to you now !

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:15 pm 
 

GrizMex wrote:
Hi guys ! I understand that some may think that stoner rock is not metal.

Huh? :scratch:

What matters to us is what the band plays, not what influences them. In this case, the band's music is predominantly stoner rock (which is not metal, no matter how you might spin it).
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GrizMex
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:22 pm 
 

I didn't try to spin anything, sorry for that. My only purpose was to point out that there was a thin line between those categories, and that Goatfather's music was right in the middle of the two. Just my opinion (as the band's drummer, though).

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S9NE
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:28 pm 
 

Is it possible to whitelist Brache from Germany now that they've released a new album (which seems to be available on cassette)?
https://brache.bandcamp.com/album/brache
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Azmodes
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The note on Bandcamp would've been a bit slim on its own, but they talk about distributing copies on their Facebook, so... whitelisted.
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blackfuneral
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:29 pm 
 

Hi admins,

I tried to submit ODIUM ENTHRONEMENT from El Salvador, it says it is blacklisted.

Is there any reason why? message didnt state exactly, is there a way to blacklist them they were under Thy Funeral Judas monicker and changes their name after the release of their demo, now they have released a digital single under their new name.

Hails!

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PDS
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Sort of SoL there. A digital single isn't enough to be accepted anyways please read our rules for more details.
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blackfuneral
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They will be releasing soon their full lenght, I will wait.. Thanks

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MasterOfSin
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:51 am 
 

Hi,
there's a valid release for the blacklisted band Ilumize, from Denmark, the bandcamp link:

https://ilumize.bandcamp.com/album/at-war
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Azmodes
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MasterOfSin wrote:
Hi,
there's a valid release for the blacklisted band Ilumize, from Denmark, the bandcamp link:

https://ilumize.bandcamp.com/album/at-war

Despite the length, this is pretty much a bedroom demo in sound.
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Azmodes wrote:
MasterOfSin wrote:
Hi,
there's a valid release for the blacklisted band Ilumize, from Denmark, the bandcamp link:

https://ilumize.bandcamp.com/album/at-war

Despite the length, this is pretty much a bedroom demo in sound.



Ok, thanks.
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*blerb*


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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:54 am 
 

Why the band "Harvest Misery" has been blacklisted? It's Brutal death metal.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Har ... 540415465#
Thanks.

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Azmodes
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Axel666MoWi wrote:
Why the band "Harvest Misery" has been blacklisted? It's Brutal death metal.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Har ... 540415465#
Thanks.

Judged to be more -core than metal recently.
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Hi,

Why Systemia, from Spain is blacklisted?
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Diamhea
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Prog rock.
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Diamhea wrote:
Prog rock.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:45 am 
 

What's wrong with Atmospheric Doom/Death band Raspail from Italy?! It's 100% metal band. Maybe too melancholic, however
https://raspail1.bandcamp.com


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Diamhea
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Ambient.
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Shadechaser
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You're joking? Distorted guitars, growling vocals, drums, etc.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:06 pm 
 

Diamhea is just telling you the reason in the blacklist. He wasn't the one who dealt with the submission.

If you've check their bandcamp page carefully, you'd notice that they wrote that themselves: " we are processing our sound in a
more personal way, adding new elements: ambient-drone, shoegaze, noise and post rock"

From what I gathered by listening to some tracks, the ambient, riff-less moments are much more present than any of the metal influences. Growling vocals doesn't make a band metal. Regardless, I'll listen to the whole thing in a moment.
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thanks in advance!
sure, album may seem much atmospheric, anyway I'm sure it's mains genre is Atmospheric Doom at least.

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I noticed Cream Abdul Babar isn't on here. They sound pretty sludgey/metal to me (and of course some punk and noise in there as well, but not entirely). I found them mentioned a few times in sales threads on the forum, but nothing else. Shouldn't they have a profile?

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Inquiring about the Japanese band Sledge Hammer / Iron Hammer (鐵鎚 / 鐵槌) and their blacklisting.

I take it the Metal on "Wolves of Japan" (日本狼) didn't pass muster:


For your convenience, the song marks on that video are:
1. 日本狼 0:00
2. 百錬ノ鐵 4:06
3. 愛國者賦 7:37
4. 我、怒ル故ニ我在リ 11:27
5. 焔 16:35
6. 鋼 21:42
7. 三・千・世・界 26:23
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dfkt wrote:
I noticed Cream Abdul Babar isn't on here. They sound pretty sludgey/metal to me (and of course some punk and noise in there as well, but not entirely). I found them mentioned a few times in sales threads on the forum, but nothing else. Shouldn't they have a profile?

They're not blacklisted, so if you think they qualify, gather all the required proof and submit.
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Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Inquiring about the Japanese band Sledge Hammer / Iron Hammer (鐵鎚 / 鐵槌) and their blacklisting.

I take it the Metal on "Wolves of Japan" (日本狼) didn't pass muster:


For your convenience, the song marks on that video are:
1. 日本狼 0:00
2. 百錬ノ鐵 4:06
3. 愛國者賦 7:37
4. 我、怒ル故ニ我在リ 11:27
5. 焔 16:35
6. 鋼 21:42
7. 三・千・世・界 26:23
8. 風、蕭々 31:58

The first song is quite thrashy but the more I keep listening to the album, it's a mix of dirty rock & roll with whiskey fueled vocals and some old punk influences. Not really metal.
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