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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:14 am 
 

As I remember, it's not so much "elements" pervading the record, but certain passages that are basically pure black metal and (longer) passages that are pure industrial/ambient.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:03 am 
 

@Goatfangs: Metantoine and I think that that Eight Bells album is still not metal enough. Thanks for sharing it, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:37 pm 
 

Just wondering why Urine in Her Wounds was rejected, it is Experimental Black Metal/Noise here is a sample of their music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_CKlBSpTfE

Here are some other bands on the site, that are listed under the same genre, one even has less metal influence than the one submitted. (Husere Grav)

T.O.M.B http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/T.O.M.B./3540256558
music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yglSo_LJS8o

Husere Grav: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Husere_Grav/119491
music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rYAMLci2l4

Sutekh Hexen: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sut ... 3540321344
music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8HfvQuHDnc

Thank you for your time.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:23 pm 
 

I'd like to turn this around into a "Cleasing the Archives" request and propose the three bands linked for re-evaluation.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:50 pm 
 

LordCarcharoth wrote:
Just wondering why Urine in Her Wounds was rejected, it is Experimental Black Metal/Noise here is a sample of their music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_CKlBSpTfE

Here are some other bands on the site, that are listed under the same genre, one even has less metal influence than the one submitted. (Husere Grav)

T.O.M.B http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/T.O.M.B./3540256558
music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yglSo_LJS8o

Husere Grav: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Husere_Grav/119491
music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rYAMLci2l4

Sutekh Hexen: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sut ... 3540321344
music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8HfvQuHDnc

Thank you for your time.

Uh, what the hell, this Husere Grav band is 0% metal, if that's their actual sound, they're indeed gonna get the boot. How can you even consider this stuff metal... Please link me a full album of theirs that you consider to be acceptable but so far, the 3 tracks I've heard are 100% noise.

I'll check out the 2 other bands but it's not looking good for Sutekh Hexen either based on what I'm listening (Larvae). Thanks for bringing us these bands as examples to prove that the band you submitted is totally not metal. I'm not sure how this managed to be added :(

Edit: Sutekh Hexen seems fine from what I've heard of their album called Luciform and some other tracks here and there.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:49 pm 
 

Regarding Husere Grav, a post of mine from 2014.

LordCarcharoth, please read the section about comparing bands in the opening post.

EDIT: I just listened to some T.O.M.B.:
Macabre Noize Royale - a mix of experimental/noise and black metal; questionable, sounded like it's about 50:50
Uncovered Ancient Gateways - appears to be pure noise
Third Wave Holocaust - same

Anyone have links to Nameless Spells and Incantations?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:17 pm 
 

Recently added band from Egypt, Osiris, as plenty informational mistakes.
I cant Edit everything there either.

When I submitted information about Osiris, it was rejected due to the fact that someone else (a fan who was in fact apologizing for doing so) had already provided information.
I was told from you here that this is not a promotional site and to edit information once uploaded on site.
I am not trying to promote Osiris here by any means, this is an encyclopedia, but now you have wrong information about Osiris.
There is a limit to what I can edit.

Advise.

The whole reason I argued for you to take my submission is to avoid this.

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glaucotyphon
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Good evening!

Recently joined the band Armageddon Deatmaster ( Brazil ), and to register the band states that it is in the Blacklist . I wonder what was the reason for having entered the blacklist ?
Thanks for listening.

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Osiris Dusk wrote:
Recently added band from Egypt, Osiris, as plenty informational mistakes.
I cant Edit everything there either.

When I submitted information about Osiris, it was rejected due to the fact that someone else (a fan who was in fact apologizing for doing so) had already provided information.
I was told from you here that this is not a promotional site and to edit information once uploaded on site.
I am not trying to promote Osiris here by any means, this is an encyclopedia, but now you have wrong information about Osiris.
There is a limit to what I can edit.

Advise.

The whole reason I argued for you to take my submission is to avoid this.



Use the report an error button, report the errors and link to proof to show the changes are legit.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:40 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Anyone have links to Nameless Spells and Incantations?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:47 am 
 

Thanks, Halloween. Will listen later.

glaucotyphon wrote:
Good evening!

Recently joined the band Armageddon Deatmaster ( Brazil ), and to register the band states that it is in the Blacklist . I wonder what was the reason for having entered the blacklist ?
Thanks for listening.

The reason is "Punk with gruff vocals".
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:28 pm 
 

Hello! My band Funerary Descent was blacklisted for not being metal. we are releasing our second demo tonight on a limited 60 cassette run. i would like to re-submit to the metal archives. we are a Black/Doom metal band. i have pictures of the physical cassette release as well as a bandcamp link.

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CrypticArchives2012 wrote:
Hello! My band Funerary Descent was blacklisted for not being metal. we are releasing our second demo tonight on a limited 60 cassette run. i would like to re-submit to the metal archives. we are a Black/Doom metal band. i have pictures of the physical cassette release as well as a bandcamp link.


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how do i resubmit my band if it is whitelisted?

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If the band still has it's rejected notification on your profile, just editing the entry again will get rid of it
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My friend asked me to add a band Mateo Colon from Poland but i found it was blacklisted. Used the search to find an explanation but without succes. he want to know why was the band deleted. Thanxx in advance for help.
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Azmodes
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More -core than metal.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:26 pm 
 

Good evening!

I hereby ask you to make a new assessment regarding the band Armageddon Deathmaster (Brazil). She just entering its blacklist being defined as a band of "Punk with gruff vocals", and our proposal is a Black / Thrash Metal influenced by Sodom, Toxic Holocaust, Bathory, Hellhammer ...
Thank you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRK8kdX ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgmpluuSwvc

https://www.facebook.com/Armageddon-Dea ... 5/?fref=ts

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Based on those tracks, I agree with the blacklisting.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:31 am 
 

Suicide Forest from Japan which was blacklisted. These two songs are feature in their newest demo, out on 18 Jan 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3e_EgR3iKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjhJK1770jI

Please make some re-evaluation ;) They seems a black metal/noise to me.

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You JUST asked a month ago, and the answer remains the same: ambient/noise. Not metal.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:43 pm 
 

Why and when was Kind from USA blacklisted?

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Azmodes
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"Heavy stoner rock", last December.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:08 pm 
 

So guys, can anyone tell me why this band is blacklisted?
https://kripl.bandcamp.com/

I think with each subsequent release they sound more and more metal so i really think they should be allowed on the site.

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rok466 wrote:
So guys, can anyone tell me why this band is blacklisted?
https://kripl.bandcamp.com/

I think with each subsequent release they sound more and more metal so i really think they should be allowed on the site.


It was blacklisted as "punk with some black metal" back in 2013. I'm not sure why you brought up a deathcore band on the other thread to compare these guys to; that's like apples and oranges. Newest album (the only I listened to) seems to be metal enough to me, so I'll white-list it. Go ahead and resubmit.
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Yeah, it probably wasn't the best comparison those two bands but I was still curious why was one acceptable and the other wasn't. Will resubmit Kripl then!

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Hey I know non-metal projects are off limits to regular users and I have no desire to submit them, but a few years ago I suggested Rob Halford's 2wo for deletion on the grounds of not being a side-project with him not being in a metal band at the time, but in hindsight I'd say it's definitely a side-project of a metal artist, since Rob Halford will always be nothing but a metal artist no matter what band he's in, and I'd say his ventures are a lot more relevant to a metal site than a French lo-fi dark ambient project with a microphone in a rat.

Not personally a fan of non-metal exceptions, an intermediate project of one of the undisputed metal icons just seems like the most logical choice if those are included.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:13 pm 
 

I would like to question the blacklisting of the metalcore band Cannae. I'm listening to the album Gold Becomes Sacrifice and I gotta say, the riffs sound metal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFjfksMveh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgBj4x1e-rc

what do you guys think?

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Hello, I add a band called Topo, from Madrid, was rejected for the funny reason of not be metal, that band is a living legend of the hard rock and heavy metal from Madrid, I can see a lot of bands of rock and hard rock in metal archives, and Topo have the history and the power to be included in Metal Archives, just you can hear the song Marea Negra https://youtu.be/BQ5PrFlHQwQ that song have a riff that you cancompare with any band of heavy metal, Asfalto, Leño and Topo, are iconic bands, if you have just some of really respect for the legends of hard rock and heavy metal, you should have to approve.


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Diegore wrote:
Hello, I add a band called Topo, from Madrid, was rejected for the funny reason of not be metal, that band is a living legend of the hard rock and heavy metal from Madrid, I can see a lot of bands of rock and hard rock in metal archives, and Topo have the history and the power to be included in Metal Archives, just you can hear the song Marea Negra, that song have a riff that you can compare with any band of heavy metal, Asfalto, Leño and Topo, are iconic bands, if you have just some of really respect for the legends of hard rock and heavy metal, you should have to approve.

Maybe read the rejection message again? It wasn't rejected because it's not metal, it was rejected because you didn't include any links.

Feel free to bring up those alleged "rock and hard rock" bands in this thread, btw: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65721
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Diegore wrote:
you can hear the song Marea Negra https://youtu.be/BQ5PrFlHQwQ that song have a riff that you cancompare with any band of heavy metal, Asfalto, Leño and Topo, are iconic bands, if you have just some of really respect for the legends of hard rock and heavy metal, you should have to approve.

That's rock.

btw, I deleted your post in the other thread again. You misunderstood me, that thread is for asking about dubious inclusions, not exclusions.

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I would like to question the blacklisting of the metalcore band Cannae. I'm listening to the album Gold Becomes Sacrifice and I gotta say, the riffs sound metal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFjfksMveh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgBj4x1e-rc

what do you guys think?

Checked out the entire album, sounds ok. You can now submit them.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:56 pm 
 

Hey Guys,

I was wondering why the following bands were blacklisted?

-All Pigs Must Die (USA)
-Hessian (BE)
-Oathbreaker (BE)

I guess I can understand that maybe Oathbreaker could be considered a bit to ''Avant garde'' or ''hardcore''... but both Hessian and All Pigs Must Die, Especially Hessian are pretty much in the same metal-catagory as bands as The Secret, Hierophant and early-Black Breath (who are approved by the way)

maybe it's me, but i guess it's worth giving it a double check. for example, Hessian's Plague Monger and Hollow Eyes have some very thrash metal-esque riffs and solo's in it, while the other songs are pounding metallic hardcore/black metal

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Hessian: Primarily hardcore
Oathbreaker: Hardcore

All Pigs Must Die was blacklisted for sure, but there is no reason listed.
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Questioning the blacklist of band In Chasms Deep.

New music out, rejected before for being "Too deathcore". This is clearly blackened death metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu5jJNL0qHA

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lucas5987 wrote:
Questioning the blacklist of band In Chasms Deep.

New music out, rejected before for being "Too deathcore". This is clearly blackened death metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu5jJNL0qHA

The song sounds fine. I was going to ask for the full album, but seeing as it was blacklisted in 2013 and there is an acceptable sounding album from 2014... whitelisted.
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Azmodes wrote:
lucas5987 wrote:
Questioning the blacklist of band In Chasms Deep.

New music out, rejected before for being "Too deathcore". This is clearly blackened death metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu5jJNL0qHA

The song sounds fine. I was going to ask for the full album, but seeing as it was blacklisted in 2013 and there is an acceptable sounding album from 2014... whitelisted.


Thanks for the help!

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It's admittedly been a few years since I heard them (and at least a few years since they were blacklisted if there's no note) but I remember All Pigs Must Die being basically purely hardcore, though of the fast and brutal variety.
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I'm listening to their most recent album, Nothing Violates This Nature, and it sounds like it might have a shot. You could definitely compare it to Jane Doe-era Converge, it's definitely metalcore, but I feel like there are enough metal riffs to put it closer to metal than hardcore: https://apmdsl.bandcamp.com/album/nothi ... his-nature
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MutantClannfear wrote:
I'm listening to their most recent album, Nothing Violates This Nature, and it sounds like it might have a shot. You could definitely compare it to Jane Doe-era Converge, it's definitely metalcore, but I feel like there are enough metal riffs to put it closer to metal than hardcore: https://apmdsl.bandcamp.com/album/nothi ... his-nature

I'd say that's acceptable, but let's wait for a few more opinions.
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Wtf happened with Amaranthe?! I´ve just searched it here and they disappearred. I can remember seeing their page in this web several years ago until previous month, January. Then... what?


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