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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:57 am 
 

Yeah, I remember the whole fuss around this project. It will require some watertight evidence, to say the least.
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SUFREMADRE
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:28 am 
 

Sure

What ever you guys need, thats fine with me. I can surely play the new material on guitar at any time as it grows.

Let's just wait until the discs are printed and ready

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SUFREMADRE
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:40 am 
 

If there is anything needed in order so that this can be resolved let me know because I was going to release this independantly. Like I said to Azmodes, I don't have the time or money to invest into making pretty looking CDS but I have blank discs and paper in which I was going to laminate the cover and be creative.

I could not tell you how many they are as I can continue to make them specially.

Most importantly is that atleast this is in the clear between all of us nevertheless.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:21 am 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
Also, he has to convince us that this time it's his own material, and not stolen instrumentals of other bands with his vocals.


Jesus Christ, did somebody actually did that? Man, I never cease to be amazed...
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:43 am 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
Fulgurius wrote:
Also, he has to convince us that this time it's his own material, and not stolen instrumentals of other bands with his vocals.


Jesus Christ, did somebody actually did that? Man, I never cease to be amazed...

*cough* Velvet Cacoon *cough*

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SUFREMADRE
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:54 pm 
 

Well all I can say now is, I give you my word that the original demo and official full length is the only release that will be added, anything else you can consider this non negotiable, or ill take this as will.

I don't have a label to release discs in that manner but, I create special packed waxed covers with cd-rs and printed laminated covers for those interested in the two releases physically so be, an independent release

Thank you,
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:38 pm 
 

Putsum are not metal (especially not black metal)

Just in case someone tries to submit them. They play some kind of noise with fragments of metal-like parts. The description here is wrong. The music on the debut release is basically drone with noise. The second one is more experimental but still not metal.
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STORMM
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:12 pm 
 

Hi guys, I was trying to add Eismond only to see they were black listed. I think in the past they were maybe ambient only but their latest release now contains drums and guitars, should they now be ok to add? Album preview below -

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=2DM8xu602h4

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:41 pm 
 

STORMM wrote:
Hi guys, I was trying to add Eismond only to see they were black listed. I think in the past they were maybe ambient only but their latest release now contains drums and guitars, should they now be ok to add? Album preview below -

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=2DM8xu602h4

Still sounds primarily ambient.
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STORMM
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:37 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
STORMM wrote:
Hi guys, I was trying to add Eismond only to see they were black listed. I think in the past they were maybe ambient only but their latest release now contains drums and guitars, should they now be ok to add? Album preview below -

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=2DM8xu602h4

Still sounds primarily ambient.


Ok, thanks for answering Azmodes.

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Snowden
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:11 pm 
 

I just had a band submission rejected, with the statement "please provide song samples." The band (Word of Unmaking) has one release, which is a split with another band (Grue) which has already been approved for the archives. However, I wasn't able to enter the split because one of the bands had not been approved. Do I need to re-submit the second band with a picture of the tape, or an mp3 attached? Or did I miss a step somewhere?

Thanks!

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Rob1
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:53 pm 
 

Snowden wrote:
I just had a band submission rejected, with the statement "please provide song samples." The band (Word of Unmaking) has one release, which is a split with another band (Grue) which has already been approved for the archives. However, I wasn't able to enter the split because one of the bands had not been approved. Do I need to re-submit the second band with a picture of the tape, or an mp3 attached? Or did I miss a step somewhere?

Thanks!

I think you should provide song samples (MP3's). The release in itself will probably not be a problem since it is also on Grue's page but to be sure the band meets this site's standards the mods (which I am obviously not, only another helpful user) will want to hear the band's material to judge it's metalness.

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aaauuuuu
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:06 am 
 

A band called Cangkang Serigala is blacklisted because likes MIDI metal.
There's another song here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUW8cbauTOA

It is MIDI or real black metal music?

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Abandoned
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:26 pm 
 

Metallum doesn't consider even some of Alice Cooper's works to be Metal?

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Napero
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:44 pm 
 

Abandoned wrote:
Metallum doesn't consider even some of Alice Cooper's works to be Metal?

No individual album is metal enough throughout.
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swallowrazors
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:52 am 
 

Derigin wrote:
I agree with the original assessment, Outside the Murder is a lot less metal than it is based in the non-metal aspects of groove and -core.


a lot less metal? here is our reverbnation page with a couple songs off off our full length cd. (its the easiest way to listen to our songs online) http://www.reverbnation.com/indoctrination. could one of the mods please give these songs a listen to decide weather we should be allowed on this site or not? i dont believe having groove aspects in our music makes us not metal. even if we have a touch of "core" we have thrash, sludge, and death metal influences in the music as well. i enjoy this encyclopaedia of metal, and i think it fair to welcome up and coming metal bands to it as well. just because we dont sound like cannibal corpse, or gorgoroth, or whomever doesnt disqualify us from being metal. thank you.

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athorkan
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:50 am 
 

Hello,

This is also the offical myspace site of Athor:

http://www.myspace.com/theathor

As you can see, I guess, Athor's music style is suitable in order to be added to M-A. Well, please let us know why Athor is still banned.

Thanks,


athorkan wrote:
Hello,

Couple of days ago, I was trying to add my band Athor (from Turkey) but, I faced with a warning message that Athor is banned!

Can you please let me know how I will able to add Athor to the site? Here are some samples regarding Athor. I believe that the style of the band should be acceptable for adding to metal-archives, no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcvPY_EBabc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXKMOnMs ... re=related


Thanks,
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:21 pm 
 

athorkan wrote:
Hello,

This is also the offical myspace site of Athor:

http://www.myspace.com/theathor

As you can see, I guess, Athor's music style is suitable in order to be added to M-A. Well, please let us know why Athor is still banned.

Thanks,




There's no specific mention on the blacklist about why it is there. Does that band have physical releases?
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athorkan
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:03 pm 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
athorkan wrote:
Hello,

This is also the offical myspace site of Athor:

http://www.myspace.com/theathor

As you can see, I guess, Athor's music style is suitable in order to be added to M-A. Well, please let us know why Athor is still banned.

Thanks,




There's no specific mention on the blacklist about why it is there. Does that band have physical releases?


Sure. The band have 2 physical releases as music CDs. One of them is an EP which is recorded at Studio Ekol, Istanbul,2000 and the other full length album is recorded at Studio Era, Izmit,2002. At these years, the band performed couple gigs in Turkey with famous bands such as Katatonia, Tankard and Mourning Cares. After suspended 7 years, the band is re-unioned in 2011 and has started to re-arrange their songs and the new ones.

So, I really wonder why the band is in the black list.

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DannabisAx
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:14 pm 
 

Ok, so why is Animals as Leaders black listed?

They have two physical releases, and international distribution.

Also, Why is the site refusing to accept Djent as a genre?
there are a group of recent bands that have a cohesive sound as a genre called Djent.
See: Periphery, TessaracT, Sikth, and Animals as Leaders for a start.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:21 pm 
 

Because it's not considered metal (because it is not) by the site admins, this was the reason AAL was deleted and blacklisted.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:22 pm 
 

Djent isn't based on metal riffs, and this site uses metal riffs as the defining characteristic for what it considers metal.

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DannabisAx
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:32 pm 
 

What????
No and no.
Djent IS based on metal riffs, so what, odd time signatures and syncopation don't exist in metal? *Cough*

Meshuggah anyone?

This place has an neurotic definition of metal.

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Napero
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:40 pm 
 

Meshuggah also has metal albums, made before they turned to dung.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:02 pm 
 

Just to break it down a bit (since djent fans dig breakdowns), it's not the time signatures nor the syncopation that make djent not metal. Were that the case, we wouldn't have bands like Blotted Science here. Heaviness is also not a factor: we've got both Fairyland and Jungle Rot here, accounting for both ends of the spectrum.

No, the reason why djent isn't metal comes down to riff construction. Chugging on one note simply IS NOT METAL. Playing any melody over that does not necessarily make it metal. It could, but these are djent melodies we are hearing. They are found only in djent. They have more in common with hardcore bands than metal ones.

Meshuggah was metal on Contradictions Collapse. That album is obviously derived from thrash metal. One album at any point is all you need to get here. Look at Soulfly: accepted only because Enslaved is an obvious death metal release. Underoath is here because of their early death/groove material, not because of They're Only Chasing Safety. Mr. Bungle even has an early death metal demo... because California certainly wasn't getting them here.

Sorry to mini-mod, but I get tired of seeing all these same questions getting asked with the same old tired arguments.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:04 pm 
 

It really depends on whether or not you consider djent to be its own then or a subgenre of metal. The bottom line is that this site, the site you are arguing on, does not consider djent a subsect of metal. We have perfectly valid reasons (as have been illustrated in the post above mine and dozens of other times throughout the forums) and we're not budging on in. Djent is not metal, case closed.

Also, speaking as a massive fanboy, if you consider SikTh to be djent, you should know how tenaciously NOT metal they are and should thus have proven our point for us.
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SUFREMADRE
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:29 pm 
 

Hi, I upped in the band pending the project that has been in the gutter, officially, released with all info nessecary

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Metallic Shock
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:26 pm 
 

Hey could I submit H.I.M. on the basis of their first demo ("This is Only the Beginning") being metal? It's quite a bit different than their usual material.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldor8S9U ... ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJTJRN6T ... ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRKN0hwP ... ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7fq6uUFWAc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vti6-qON6vI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sP9-_SzyOs

I would say it's predominately gothic metal.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:34 pm 
 

What next, The Rasmus? No way H.I.M. are gonne be added to MA.
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Metallic Shock
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:41 pm 
 

So I take it the demo isn't metal enough? Or does it have to be a full length to be accepted?

I should add I'm not a fan of the band and am more asking this out of curiosity.

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Nightgaunt
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:43 pm 
 

It is in some ways a question of proportionality. A tiny borderline demo for a band with a massive non-metal discography would probably not suffice, whereas a tiny demo by a newly formed metal band probably would.

That was just to answer your question of 'theory', mind. In this particular case, the material's not really very metal, all questions of proportionality aside.
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MalignantThrone
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:08 pm 
 

Hypothetically, what if the band was added to MA based on that demo right when it was released, and then later they changed their genre to its current state? Would you be forced to delete them?
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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:14 pm 
 

Let's not get things complicated for no reasons. I guess the mods would discuss said band and choose its faith.
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TadakatsuH0nda
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:40 pm 
 

So a few months ago I was going to add Animetal USA, only to find that they were in the queue already, but their page was done poorly, and appeared to lead them to getting denied, could someone double check the reason they were denied? I just figured since the original Animetal is on here, why not Animetal USA, who are equally as metal. :3 Thanks.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:45 pm 
 

Simple forum search for "animetal usa" yielded several results saying they don't have original material.
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TadakatsuH0nda
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:06 am 
 

Oh. I'd heard they were putting out some original content shortly, not sure if they did or not yet, would you agree that they are metal enough to resubmit though when they actually do release original songs?

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TadakatsuH0nda
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:18 am 
 

Also, whoa Flea that's pretty freaking whiny... You'd think people could respect the decision of "no" without telling mods to go f*** themselves. -__-

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CHAINS
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:45 am 
 

Hi

here are the proofs of the existence of my band-project CHAINS

http://lecrepusculedusoir.yolasite.com/news.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxyWnrzkgug&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc3wAbSG ... ontext-cha

Can yo please let me know if you need more informations.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:26 pm 
 

Yeah, ok. But it's not released yet. You'll need to wait till the release of the album to submit your band.
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CHAINS
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:56 pm 
 

ok thanx for the info, but when the album is out i must add another time the band or i can only add you a photo of the release?

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