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PulpifiedBongSucker
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:50 pm 
 

Alright, I'll see if I can get him to give me/sell me a copy.

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:53 pm 
 

Or even a picture of it would be good.

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PulpifiedBongSucker
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:54 pm 
 

Alright, I'll see what I can do.

Oh! I just realized, they have a 7" split with the band El Zombie.

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:56 pm 
 

Yeah I checked that on their myspace but I can find any validation of the existence of this release other than the track listings on their myspace player telling me so.

Just get some pictures of the releases and the information (like tracklisting, album art, etc) and then submit it again.

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PulpifiedBongSucker
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:59 pm 
 

Alright, thank you.

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Neantise
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:49 pm 
 

I submitted the Iranian death metal band Batiss (website), and it got rejected. I checked on the internet to see if there is another non-metal Batiss, but the only one i could find was the Iranian band. So I suppose it has previously been rejected for not being metal enough or lack of proof of a physical release. For the metalness, check these five samples :

http://www.sharemation.com/batiss/2-Godlesss.wma
http://www.sharemation.com/batiss/5-BitterNightmare.wma
http://www.sharemation.com/batiss/6-Darkness.wma
http://www.sharemation.com/batiss/7-InTheDark.wma
http://www.sharemation.com/batiss/9-Nihilation.wma

And for proof of a physical release, there is this picture of the album Now We Foresee : http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7720 ... seene2.jpg

There is also an interview, though in Persian : http://www.unforgiven-001.blogfa.com/86123.aspx

Opinions ?

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:09 pm 
 

Sorry dude but usually Iranian bands "fake" physical releases with computer-made pictures.
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SitraAhra
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:41 pm 
 

All Arabian bands are fake.These from Lebanon or Pakistan or Iran are islamic dumbasses.

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:20 pm 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
All Arabian bands are fake.These from Lebanon or Pakistan or Iran are islamic dumbasses.


I am sorry to inform you that nor Lebanon or Pakistan or Iran are Arabic :) and Lebanon is not an Islamic country go read a bit.

Anyway I have a question I will post it here no need for a new topic. If some members used to be in a band and when they left the band the other band members don't consider them as ex-members and deny their ex-membership. Such members are to be added in the ex-members field in MA or not?
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SitraAhra
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:35 pm 
 

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I am sorry to inform you that nor Lebanon or Pakistan or Iran are Arabic Smile and Lebanon is not an Islamic country go read a bit.


Whos care.All bands and so called "metalheads" from these regions suck Jesus dick.Malaysian or Singapoure or Korean,Japanese scenes are 1000 times better.

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:10 pm 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
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I am sorry to inform you that nor Lebanon or Pakistan or Iran are Arabic Smile and Lebanon is not an Islamic country go read a bit.


Whos care.All bands and so called "metalheads" from these regions suck Jesus dick.Malaysian or Singapoure or Korean,Japanese scenes are 1000 times better.


LOL, maybe they have larger scenes by fan numbers and their music sucks big time. Dude Lebanon is 10452 Km2 and metal is forbidden, metalheads are jailed and the majority of the band members left/are leaving the country or just pretend to live as normal Lebanese peoples who doesn't have any relation to metal. Do you ever expect to have a large scene such as Malaysia, Singapoure or JAPAN LOL are you crazy? By the way I live in France and spend summer in Lebanon. Next time before talking in the air like the almighty "metal-knowing-everything guy" go and listen to some of those bands and then judge them. There is some bands way better then any other well known ones and for sure better then any Lithuanian band ;)
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SitraAhra
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:43 pm 
 

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There is some bands way better then any other well known ones and for sure better then any Lithuanian band


LOL :D GHOSTORM had contract with Black Mark and now OBTEST are signed to Osmose so all these lebanon fuckazz can just dream about that :D

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:44 pm 
 

Cut the shit out, fellas.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:21 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... hp?t=40117
Will you people stop submitting Jeff Loomis?!!

It was submitted six times yesterday, by diverse persons.
Apparently, 80% of users still do not bother to read the rules at all.

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DaddyZeus67
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:44 pm 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyT2uG6992Q

Now how is this one not metal?
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dust666
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:43 pm 
 

DaddyZeus67 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyT2uG6992Q

Now how is this one not metal?


That song is metallic in some way IMO, but the band has been discussed numerous times, and it is simply not a metal band. I dont really think they have a full metal album, maybe just a few metallic songs and that's it.

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DaddyZeus67
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:55 pm 
 

dust666 wrote:
DaddyZeus67 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyT2uG6992Q

Now how is this one not metal?


That song is metallic in some way IMO, but the band has been discussed numerous times, and it is simply not a metal band. I dont really think they have a full metal album, maybe just a few metallic songs and that's it.


But if a band has even a single metal release they would be accepted right?
It says so in the rules
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:11 pm 
 

DaddyZeus67 wrote:
dust666 wrote:
DaddyZeus67 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyT2uG6992Q

Now how is this one not metal?


That song is metallic in some way IMO, but the band has been discussed numerous times, and it is simply not a metal band. I dont really think they have a full metal album, maybe just a few metallic songs and that's it.


But if a band has even a single metal release they would be accepted right?
It says so in the rules

if a band is borderline, then Morrigan and Hellblazer have the last word.
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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:06 pm 
 

Just a note about Ebenezer, who was rejected for not having enough information:

I figured that knowing the track times, which would require me to have the actual CD in my possession, would've been enough. I resubmitted them with a scan of their CD. It's a CD-R with Ebenezer written on it in green marker.

I am also uploading the two tracks not on their Myspace: Horse Master and CRV vs. Villager. The link to Rapidshare will come with an edit in a few minutes.

Edit: http://rapidshare.com/files/129225877/E ... s.zip.html

If they are still rejected, there seems to be nothing else I can show.
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UnitedStatesMetal
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:28 pm 
 

I noticed Eibon arn't on here. I'm not sure if they were rejected, or if no one suggested them.

Their Myspace page has 2 of their songs:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=45498214
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Kvisling
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:37 pm 
 

UnitedStatesMetal wrote:
I noticed Eibon arn't on here. I'm not sure if they were rejected, or if no one suggested them.

Their Myspace page has 2 of their songs:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=45498214


It says right on their page "The greatest black metal album that will never be finished..."

No release means they can't get in.

Also, what the hell is this? Black metal/groove monkey fusion? What a terrible idea!
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Vulture_Helsing
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:16 am 
 

I hate to be "that guy"....but one of my friends is really into Slipknot...and well...their new material appears to be more "metal"...but as always it's up to the big folk...

www.myspace.com/slipknot1

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Kvisling
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:22 am 
 

Vulture_Helsing wrote:
I hate to be "that guy"....but one of my friends is really into Slipknot...and well...their new material appears to be more "metal"...but as always it's up to the big folk...

www.myspace.com/slipknot1


Slipknot's new material has already been evaluated and determined to not be metal enough to include them on the site. You'll have to tell you friend it just isn't happening...
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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:32 pm 
 

Their new album hasn't been released yet, and it's the owner's decision. With that being said, since they are the cornerstone nu-metal bands of the 90s, I doubt they'll be let in even if they release something as good as Eternal Nightmare*.



*You and I both know this is not going to happen.
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uglur
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:00 pm 
 

Why was my submission of vintenar rejected?
on their myspace page is written that you can get a copy of the demo from the band!

"Contact Peg for a copy of our current demo"

http://www.myspace.com/vintenar

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mrchris
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:38 pm 
 

Well, you will have to show proof it exists as per rule #7

A photo of the tape would do.
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balbulus
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:21 am 
 

Hi, I recently submitted Goth Metal band Jesus Fix, but it was rejected with: "Nah....not really metal except some bits here and there."

I'm a bit dubious about complaining -- I've had at least one band rejected before (Crow from Whitstable), and didn't protest because they were definitely a more borderline case, but I think Jesus Fix deserves a second opinion. Whilst there is a great deal of goth and crust-punk in their sound, the metal quotient is certainly enough to warrant inclusion in the MA. There are similarities to bands like Type O, Motorhead, and Amebix, all of which are featured.

Please take a listen to the tracks on their MySpace, and see what you think:

http://www.myspace.com/jesusfixhq

also:

http://www.jesusfix.co.uk/

Sorry to make a fuss...

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:48 am 
 

Sorry, not even close.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:52 pm 
 

There was a band from Russia in the database called Alkanosta Pesn Pechali Smertnoy, and now I can't find it. I don't know when it was deleted, I've just noticed it today, and I can't find any mentioning on this forum about it's deletion. So, can anybody tell me what was the reason for it?

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:42 pm 
 

my mistake... delete this post


Last edited by PiotrB on Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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PulpifiedBongSucker
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:54 pm 
 

Piotr_Bojka wrote:
next band that should be removed
War Corpse - USA
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=4281

...maybe somebody will find something about them, I can't

and when somebody will remove bands that I flagged earlier?


Wrong thread.

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Negru_Voda
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:15 pm 
 

I'm not the biggest fan of the band but I think Hatebreed deserve inclusion the archives. Judging by their most recent material, the metal element in the riffing style seems to be the dominant one. Listening to songs from Supremacy reminds me more of slowed down Slayer with shouted vocals than anything. For samples, I suggest the following (I'm actually not being terribly selective with these, pretty much anything off their newest album will do):

Defeatist http://youtube.com/watch?v=GHlskTub90E

Divine Judgement http://youtube.com/watch?v=wUkPWk5L4rw

Mind Over All http://youtube.com/watch?v=oq9soK00Zdw

The Most Truth http://youtube.com/watch?v=7-R7TtSUheY

Even their older stuff had a crossover/thrash vibe:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yXy0KA8r1hw

In any event, there's nothing that indicates to me that this band is any less metal than the crossover, groove metal or metalcore and deathcore bands that made it in the archives. Their sound is pretty much groove/thrash with occasional crossover rhythms and some midpaced songs almost reminiscent of bands like Bolt Thrower. Based on sound and the "metal" criterion alone I think Hatebreed are more deserving of a spot on the archives than bands such as Iwrestledabearonce, Bring Me the Horizon, As I Lay Dying, DevilDriver, The Exploited, Lamb of God or Zarach Baal Tharagh.

Another factor to take into consideration is (don't laugh) Jamey Jasta's contribution to the metal scene. From what I've read Jamey Jasta seems to know a lot about metal and be actively involved in the promotion of real metal; while he was a host for Headbanger's Ball he championed the inclusion of bands from Hammerfall to Morbid Angel in the show's playlist among the material the execs handed him for rotation. He always seems to be wearing metal shirts too; when I saw Hatebreed at Heavy MTL he was wearing a Deicide - Legion shirt, while one of his guitarists was sporting Sodom's In the Sign of Evil. It's also a bit weird to me to see the archives' inclusion of God Forbid, a band which sounds much less "metal" than Hatebreed and which was put on the map in large part due to Jasta's endorsement and promotion. Equally odd to me is the notion that Zarach Baal Tharagh's 80 or so demos and side projects deserve space and bandwidth on the archives while someone who made a tangible contribution to metal, however minor, does not.

Anyway, those are my views. If they were to be included, I would put something like "Hardcore/Thrash Metal" under their genre heading, or "Hardcore (old) / Groove/Thrash Metal (now)".

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PulpifiedBongSucker
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:09 pm 
 

Negru_Voda wrote:
I'm not the biggest fan of the band but I think Hatebreed deserve inclusion the archives. Judging by their most recent material, the metal element in the riffing style seems to be the dominant one. Listening to songs from Supremacy reminds me more of slowed down Slayer with shouted vocals than anything. For samples, I suggest the following (I'm actually not being terribly selective with these, pretty much anything off their newest album will do):

Defeatist http://youtube.com/watch?v=GHlskTub90E

Divine Judgement http://youtube.com/watch?v=wUkPWk5L4rw

Mind Over All http://youtube.com/watch?v=oq9soK00Zdw

The Most Truth http://youtube.com/watch?v=7-R7TtSUheY

Even their older stuff had a crossover/thrash vibe:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yXy0KA8r1hw

In any event, there's nothing that indicates to me that this band is any less metal than the crossover, groove metal or metalcore and deathcore bands that made it in the archives. Their sound is pretty much groove/thrash with occasional crossover rhythms and some midpaced songs almost reminiscent of bands like Bolt Thrower. Based on sound and the "metal" criterion alone I think Hatebreed are more deserving of a spot on the archives than bands such as Iwrestledabearonce, Bring Me the Horizon, As I Lay Dying, DevilDriver, The Exploited, Lamb of God or Zarach Baal Tharagh.

Another factor to take into consideration is (don't laugh) Jamey Jasta's contribution to the metal scene. From what I've read Jamey Jasta seems to know a lot about metal and be actively involved in the promotion of real metal; while he was a host for Headbanger's Ball he championed the inclusion of bands from Hammerfall to Morbid Angel in the show's playlist among the material the execs handed him for rotation. He always seems to be wearing metal shirts too; when I saw Hatebreed at Heavy MTL he was wearing a Deicide - Legion shirt, while one of his guitarists was sporting Sodom's In the Sign of Evil. It's also a bit weird to me to see the archives' inclusion of God Forbid, a band which sounds much less "metal" than Hatebreed and which was put on the map in large part due to Jasta's endorsement and promotion. Equally odd to me is the notion that Zarach Baal Tharagh's 80 or so demos and side projects deserve space and bandwidth on the archives while someone who made a tangible contribution to metal, however minor, does not.

Anyway, those are my views. If they were to be included, I would put something like "Hardcore/Thrash Metal" under their genre heading, or "Hardcore (old) / Groove/Thrash Metal (now)".


I agree with you, but what does what a band wears matter? I'm sure there are a lot of rap groups or punk groups who like metal, but don't play it. And Lamb of God aren't deserving of being on this website? They're obviously metal.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:49 pm 
 

Ebenezer was rejected for not having enough info about them.

They have a 5 song demo out, but only 3 songs are on their Myspace.

http://rapidshare.com/files/129774284/E ... o.zip.html

They are not some fake recordings on some fake CD-R, the only way to get those tracks which I have just posted (it's the full 5 song demo this time) is to get the CD from the band. When I resubmit them, I will not bother including an album cover because there is none - it's a CD-R with marker on it. I believe I've sufficiently proven that this CD exists in a physical form as there is no way for me to obtain the two remaining tracks on the demo.

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I submitted Viking Lord with even less information (just because I didn't feel like plugging in my scanner), the only difference being that they have a CD with more than just a marker written label.

I'll resubmit as soon as I get a response confirming that I can resubmit. If not, then I will come back in the future with either a new release of theirs or a photograph of the band themselves at a merch booth with their demo (in CD form, btw) and stickers offered for free with an optional donation.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:51 pm 
 

Do the latter.

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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:14 pm 
 

And what if their second release is a CD-R labeled in marker?

A physical release is a physical release, I've scanned in the CD itself and provided a picture of this physical release. I have submitted the entire demo, which consists of 5 tracks, two of which are not found anywhere on the internet except for this link: http://rapidshare.com/files/129774284/E ... o.zip.html

So, why aren't they allowed? Or are they?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:18 pm 
 

For a CD-R with a marker, the claims of proof are more dubious than something that can appear to be more authentic. So to support your submission as best as possible, provide better evidence for proof. It's that simple.

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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:30 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
For a CD-R with a marker, the claims of proof are more dubious than something that can appear to be more authentic. So to support your submission as best as possible, provide better evidence for proof. It's that simple.


I did. The songs that are not on their Myspace are in that Rapidshare download. Is that not enough? The only way I know of that I can get those tracks is from a physical release.

I'm certainly not in the band, I live in Lancaster and I don't play an instrument.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:40 pm 
 

He means prove that the release is viable--that is, that it meets minimum physical distribution thresholds. Not that the music is metal.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:41 pm 
 

The only way that you know of, yes. But what of us? How do we know that? That is not very supportive evidence.

Just do like you said you would. Take pictures of their merchandise booth at a show. Whe submitting bands that are giving out CD-R demos, it is very possible for someone to fake this, so we need as much evidence for proof as possible.

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