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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:44 am 
 

Ok, Napero suggested to me to get opinions on this issue.

Please look at these two releases:
Morgul - Vargvinter
http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=28326

Old Morgul - From the Dark Streams of Night
http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=188665

Strange coincidence isn't it?

Well, I have the Old Morgul tape and after downloading the Vargvinter one, I have to admit that they are identical... would the earlier one had a better production. I remember that there was a review by Requiem99 (?) on the Old Morgul release, could it be recovered, perhaps he knew more on this bootleg problem? Does anyone know more on this issue? Judging from the music, the Finish band used the one from Morgul and released it with a more polished sound; actually, it is too good for such a small band (sound & production), and this is one aspect that is astounding when it comes to the OM release.

So my questions:
- should the OM release be deleted?
- what about additional notes on the issue?
- Could this claim, the bootleg issue, be brought forth in a review on the site of Morgul

Opinions, please.
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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:40 pm 
 

I've deleted that demo back in January, but now I think it should stay, with the present - or even extended - additional notes.

Yeah, I think it would be ok to mention that issue in a review.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:39 pm 
 

allright then. I will scan the booklet tomorrow and add some additional notes.

By the way, on which enty should the review be posted? Morgul or Old Morgul?
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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:34 am 
 

The original band, Morgul.

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Vetehinen
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Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:21 am
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:48 am 
 

I believe the information in metal-archives.com and several other places around the web about this issue is incorrect.

I'm not aware if there are wrongly renamed demo tapes around, but I think this misunderstanding has occured by the fact some fool's renamed Old Morgul's 1999 demo to Morgul's 1994 demo in digital format. From the Dark Streams of Night is recorded in the same studio and by the same sound engineer as Oceanborn by Nightwish, T. Kinnunen / Caverock. That's the source of your too polished sound. Add some noise and wowing caused by cassette copying to Old Morgul's demo and voila, here's your Morgul Vargvinter ;)

Real Vargvinter seems to be hard to find. So this mishap is understandable though not tolerable.

Could someone please scan Morgul's 1994 demo cassette's booklet and show some proof here?

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:28 pm 
 

WE do not have to do anything. You need to provide evidence pointing to the contrary.

Maybe things will clear up once Morgul spreads a re-release of their early material. Or in case a version of the Morgul tape turns up.

edit:
The story can be spun around in another direction:
also the first tape by Old Morgul is a fake and had been made up; including the aspect of the studio and the guy responsible for recording it. Do you have information that would prove otherwise?

Stuff like this should raise more than one eyebrow, especially when considering the aspect of the second demo. Why did a band with two such great demos vanish and leave no traces ... this smells ... it smells a lot.
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September 2013:
the 23rd edition of my magazine has been released:
https://archive.org/details/ADeadSpotOfLightNumber23

Analysis of band names:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103987

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Vetehinen
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:35 pm 
 

Let's see if that real Vargvinter pops up somewhere. Nice twist in the burden of proof you got here. ;)
Shame on the one who renamed those files and put them online.

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Kjetter
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Joined: Sat Oct 18, 2003 4:21 am
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Location: Norway
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:00 am 
 

I haven't heard any versions of the material, but just judging by the description in the review posted I am having trouble imagining how one would "polish" a 1994 tape recording... in 1997... especially if we are to assume that they are "too small" to achieve the production values on their own recordings.

Wouldn't a more likely explanation to the fidelity difference be that both tapes once shared the same production values, but that since the time where Old Morgul made their copy the original Morgul recordings has degraded through N generations of copying? Either that or, ehm, Vetehinen might be right...

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:17 am 
 

Vetehinen wrote:
Let's see if that real Vargvinter pops up somewhere.

It has ... I have contacted the user.
In roughly two weeks I will be back home and will provde the user with the files ... then the matter will settled once and for all.
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September 2013:
the 23rd edition of my magazine has been released:
https://archive.org/details/ADeadSpotOfLightNumber23

Analysis of band names:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103987

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