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BastardHead
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:12 pm 
 

The first three albums are basically really fast, hyper-melodic power metal with screaming instead of singing. Also the style they helped solidify that so many bands imitate has been pretty much accepted to be "melodic death/power metal". So yeah, not changing.
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Charlo
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 10:24 pm 
 

Moving along from Sepultura for the moment...

Paul Wardingham ( http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pau ... 3540323422 ) is listed as "Melodic Death/Progressive Metal", which seems very inaccurate to me (most likely, the guy who submitted the band was not familiar with djent, and thus didn't know how to classify the music he was hearing). Wardingham's style is djent-influenced progressive metal with shredding, so I guess it could be termed "Progressive Metal/Shred" or even "Progressive Metal/Shred with Djent Influences".

Here's a song from his album that typifies his style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slmO78HsKM

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MalignantTyrant
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 10:59 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Illdisposed/1222

Why aren't these guys melodeath? They clearly aren't just 'death metal'. If you listen to a lot of their songs, there's definitely enough melody to be melodeath and not just death metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnKu53QNV60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBfSl_lStc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q-Hq63Lo5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChcRo_m2830
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 11:31 am 
 

Both changed.
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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:24 pm 
 

Hi, this band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pos ... 3540303932
says genre: Death Metal, but the current genre should be Doom/Death Metal, even in their facebook profile they mention, listen here: http://www.postmoderncoffin.pl/en/?id=download thanks

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TheUnhinged
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 2:50 pm 
 

I suggest Rune from the Netherlands be changed from Doom Metal to Death/Doom Metal. They sound just like The Gathering's first album and Phlebotomized (albeit less progressive).

Here is a link to their entire demo.


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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:23 pm 
 

A concerted argument is being made toward the inclusion of 'djent' in Sybreed's genre tags. Personally, I don't know...they were certainly a precursor of sorts to that scattershot riffing style that seems to be all the rage lately, but otherwise their riffs are rather subdued and groovy in equal (if not more) measure. I didn't want to close this one without some more input, here are some examples:

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Report in question:
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/vi ... 3/show/all
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:02 am 
 

Postmodern Coffin has been doomified, Rune deathified.
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TheUnhinged
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:54 pm 
 

I also suggest changing Empires from Doom Metal to Sludge/Doom/Post-Metal. Very similar to Pelican.

Proof.

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Alextos
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:02 pm 
 

Atra Hora is listed as Black Metal (early), Melodic Death/Black Metal (later).

The band played Black Metal in early days, but now the genre is a mid-tempo atmospheric metal with oriental melodies and ethnic instruments: santoors, dhols etc.
Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP60Rh05qbs

I think the correct genre is "Black Metal (early), Atmospheric Dark Metal with Folk Influences (later)"

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:32 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Be ... hem/273523
should definitely be reconsidered. Black Metal? Sounds like old Sodom and stuff. Thrash Metal makes much more sense. Maybe the first demo has been black metal.

Suggestion: Black / Thrash Metal

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Folkemon_
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:19 am 
 

Nightwish....they're called "Symphonic Power Metal" but imo they havent even played power metal since Wishmaster, dunno what else they'd be called atm, maybe just pure "symphonic metal"
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:58 pm 
 

Folkemon_ wrote:
Nightwish....they're called "Symphonic Power Metal" but imo they havent even played power metal since Wishmaster, dunno what else they'd be called atm, maybe just pure "symphonic metal"

Hell f*cking no.
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LeMiserable
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:49 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Red_Chord/2781

Shouldn't The Red Chord be Deathcore/Metalcore(early), Technical Death Metal/Grindcore(later) ?? I myself hear plenty of influences on the first 2 albums that would make me think they're technical deathgrind/deathcore more than anything else but actually this band played deathcore as it was supposed to sound, not the wiggercore it became later on..

3rd and 4th album are both pretty much (technical) deathgrind with breakdowns to me, little deathcore to be found there...

1st album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKA1IMMisRM
2nd album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XYLiau108E
3rd album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw_93fpdwo
4th album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHno2Hm60sA

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:54 am 
 

LeMiserable wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Red_Chord/2781

Shouldn't The Red Chord be Deathcore/Metalcore(early), Technical Death Metal/Grindcore(later) ?? I myself hear plenty of influences on the first 2 albums that would make me think they're technical deathgrind/deathcore more than anything else but actually this band played deathcore as it was supposed to sound, not the wiggercore it became later on..

3rd and 4th album are both pretty much (technical) deathgrind with breakdowns to me, little deathcore to be found there...

1st album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKA1IMMisRM
2nd album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XYLiau108E
3rd album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw_93fpdwo
4th album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHno2Hm60sA

Tossing my two cents into this: I feel pretty comfortable with calling the first two albums "technical death metal/metalcore" for the sake of brevity with their later material in mind. Early on they played deathcore in a literal sense of the term, sure, but I think that labeling them as just plain "deathcore" would just confuse people since the term doesn't really mean "a literal mix of death metal and metalcore" anymore and is now associated with many other, different sounds and scenes. It'd make the most sense to settle with the genres that existed around the time of Fused Together's release instead of trying to retroactively declare it to be deathcore, sort of like how people don't actually try to retroactively declare Reign in Blood to be a death/thrash album even though it's agreed that it laid down some of the framework that would later become death metal. I still hear a fair bit of metalcore in their later works, anyways. I would propose that no change be made.
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LeMiserable
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:21 am 
 

Fair enough, it was a so-so case anyway...

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GuardAwakening
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:48 am 
 

Conducting from the Grave needs to be changed to deathcore/melodic death metal http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Con ... rave/38055

There's a common problem on this site where deathcore bands with some melodeath influenced get called "metalcore/melodic death metal". I've reported others in the past and they were subsequently changed.
Conducting from the Grave is guilty of the same case. They are very much part of the deathcore scene, they tour with these bands (supported Suicide Silence in 2010), wear the shirts of other deathcore bands ect. they have never really done or associated anything with a metalcore group let alone ever sounded metalcore.

Also, here's sound samples; clearly in the lane of deathcore with melodeath influence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXt9p7-qmgo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUFymFFB0s8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVa5zAamVTU
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BastardHead
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:02 am 
 

GuardAwakening wrote:
They are very much part of the deathcore scene, they tour with these bands (supported Suicide Silence in 2010), wear the shirts of other deathcore bands ect. they have never really done or associated anything with a metalcore group let alone ever sounded metalcore.


I'll check the band right now, but that bolded part is the only one that really matters. I see arguments like that (band x toured with band y and the crowd was mostly z fans so therfore they are not genre a but actually z) pop up from time to time and it always boggles my mind. Maybe it's because of the Black Dahlia Murder thing that made me fly into a rage twice a day for a few years, but who they have drunken pillowfights with is none of our concern.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:09 am 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Bestial_Curse/Masters_of_Mayhem/273523
should definitely be reconsidered. Black Metal? Sounds like old Sodom and stuff. Thrash Metal makes much more sense. Maybe the first demo has been black metal.

Suggestion: Black / Thrash Metal

Can be downloaded here:
http://vonfrostvinyltapes.blogspot.de/2 ... -tape.html

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:29 am 
 

Conducting from the Grave seems pretty clear cut to me. Changed.
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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:47 pm 
 

Forgive me for not remembering correctly, but who's the resident expert Mod on grindcore? Is it Alhadis?! Anyway, care to hop in and share a bit of light on the site's view of what is what and how it's differentiated between them? ;)

- death metal/grindcore
- grindcore/death metal
- grindcore

So, death/grind is the easiest, and even more if I pick up on the (early) Terrorizer or Assück template. Lots of death metal drumming and familiarity in the riffs to death metal there, so bands playing a similar mix of the two genres are dubbed likewise. Right?

Now, where my understanding of the site's view is failing is in the differentiation between "grindcore" and "grindcore/death metal". If grindcore bands that are on the Archives are so because they have a stronger death metal influence than a punk one then where's the need to say that a band is "grindcore/death metal"? The way I think you guys see it, the bands tagged only as "grindcore" are closer to the punkier sound but still metallic enough to be here, but how much of a nitpicking difference is there for having the three variations? Likewise, where are the differences set between what's "death metal/grindcore" and "grindcore/death metal"?

I'm sorry for asking but I've been trying to make some sense of what the site's view is on this for a while now, and since I've failed to do it I thought about asking. If this needs to be posted on the genre sticky in the Metal Discussion board please let me know. I didn't post it there because I wanted to avoid regular users pitching in, as what I want here is the Mod's view on the subject.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:21 pm 
 

:) Hey mate,

Grindcore played with death metal riffs isn't necessarily the same as grindcore played with more clean-cut death metal sections (or death metal played with more obvious grindcore sections, such as Misery Index). For example, bands like The Kill, Discordance Axis and PLF all play pure grindcore with metallic riffs... contrast that with, say, Circle of Dead Children who play a more obvious hybrid of death metal and grindcore. Both groups of bands utilise metal riffs, but the difference is largely in songwriting. :)

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Likewise, where are the differences set between what's "death metal/grindcore" and "grindcore/death metal"?

There's no difference between "grindcore/death metal" and "death metal/grindcore" other than that the most prominent genre is listed first. Which is the convention commonly used throughout the site when listing genres.

(While I'm here, it should be noted that in the past, many bands have been submitted to the site as "death metal/grindcore" simply because many users are unfamiliar with grindcore. :rolleyes: They've apparently assumed it simply refers to any particularly fast or violent take on death metal. Consequently, many brutal death metal bands are incorrectly labelled "death metal/grindcore" on the site and are in need of correction. :( So yeah, if you come across a band labelled "grindcore" and it sounds like straight-up death metal, don't hesitate to bring it up ;) )
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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:56 pm 
 

Alhadis wrote:
androdion wrote:
Likewise, where are the differences set between what's "death metal/grindcore" and "grindcore/death metal"?

There's no difference between "grindcore/death metal" and "death metal/grindcore" other than that the most prominent genre is listed first. Which is the convention commonly used throughout the site when listing genres.

You mean like "death/doom" vs "doom/death" or "black/death" vs "death/black", depending on the death to grind ratio? Got it. ;)

Alhadis wrote:
Grindcore played with death metal riffs isn't necessarily the same as grindcore played with more clean-cut death metal sections (or death metal played with more obvious grindcore sections, such as Misery Index).

Same reason then why Nasum or Rotten Sound for example are tagged as "grindcore" as opposed to "grindcore/death metal"? The death metal influence is there but it isn't predominant enough, or to use your own words, it has the (death) metal riffs but the songwriting doesn't focus on that influence and more on the punkier aspect/base? I think I understand what you mean, and it comes in line with what I thought was the way MA viewed these things.

It's curious because the thing that made me ask was that I was listening to the Japanese band Realized and thinking to myself how it was sounding more like grindcore than death/grind. And then what you said hit me, that so many bands are listed as "death/grind" on the site, almost seemingly arbitrarily. But then again I guess that going around and changing "death/grind" to "grind/death" or just "grind" might be a bit of unnecessary nitpicking when there are more pressing genre changes to be made, right? ;)

Thanks for the very informative reply mate! :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:39 pm 
 

Why is Solution .45 being labelled as "Melodic Groove Metal/Rock"? I saw a mod post Lethean Tears as a response as to why S45 are rock, but it's just a ballad on the album. We don't go about labeling Rhapsody of Fire as "Symphonic Power Metal/Rock" because they put ballads on their albums. Also, Lethean Tears is the only song of its kind on the album. Every other song uses both cleans and harsh vocals. A single song does not define a band, especially when you have 11 other tracks that point to S45 being a melodic death metal band. Everyone lists them as melodic death metal, and rightly so. Those aren't grooves in the music; they're melodies. All it takes is a listen to any of their songs, besides Lethean Tears, to see why they're melodeath.

Many people seem to think that this categorization of "melodic groove metal" is a way to distance bands like S45 and Scar Symmetry, the bands with the modern Gothenburg sound, away from what the mods prefer to call melodeath, whatever that may be. Both a friend and I submitted reports yesterday on Scar Symmetry being in the wrong genre, and both of our reports were closed without any further inquiry or response. I'd appreciate some transparency in the issue, as I know it's something that more than just the two of us have noticed and taken issue with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmsswnnqj3c

How can that be "melodic groove metal" in any way?

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