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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:03 pm 
 

dystopia4 wrote:
Does anyone else feel that Melvins being listed as "Various" is kind of lame, especially since it's listed that they play "grunge, stoner rock, sludge, drone, hardcore influenced rock, or experimental pieces".I think that grunge/stoner/sludge/hardcore would be fine as it encompasses the majority of what they've done, even if it leaves out a few outliers in their sprawling discography (ambient, drone ect).


As a huge fan of the Melvins, I think "Various" fits them just fine. They don't play grunge any longer nor would I really ever label them as "hardcore." A record like Freak Puke isn't really any of those genres. "A few" outliers is actually more than a few if you did into the entire catalog. If any real genre were to be put, I'd say "Experimental rock/Metal" but that's just as vague, so personally I think "Various" works just fine since they are a band that thrives on unpredictability.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:22 am 
 

Pseudologia Fantastica is currently listed as "Psychedelic Doom/Death Metal", but I don't see what's so psychedelic about them. Unfortunately I can't provide any song samples but I share it on Soulseek if Azmodes or anyone wants to get it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:55 am 
 

This band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rosenguard/18578 is listed as "black/gothic metal" but all I hear is straight up melodic death with some thrashy elements thrown in the mix. Here's a few samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qFDkln7vh4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pta60Dnsey8
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:38 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Pseudologia Fantastica is currently listed as "Psychedelic Doom/Death Metal", but I don't see what's so psychedelic about them. Unfortunately I can't provide any song samples but I share it on Soulseek if Azmodes or anyone wants to get it.


Maybe you could put them up on youtube?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:39 pm 
 

I can post a Dropbox link in the HQ.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:33 pm 
 

I would agree with this:
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/320298
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... DMm8qvzMVg
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:28 am 
 

The band Rune is currently listed as "Death/Doom Metal", but I'd change their genre to "Technical Death Metal (early), Death/Doom Metal (later)" because the demo and the split EP are pretty much pure tech death. I couldn't find the demo on YouTube, but it's even tech-death-ier than the material on the split. The tracks off the split are here:

1. Birds with Broken Wings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U17Gd_zxi20
2. Song of the Sirens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOfmK-zoezo
3. Weep for Nothing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDBPfmylwsM
4. For the Weary and the Sullen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngOSLnApT0c

-edit- Or change the whole thing to "Technical Death/Doom Metal", since the album is pretty tech-y too. Can't find it on YouTube though. :(
-edit2- I'm just re-listening to the full-length, and I don't really hear much doom at all. Here is a Rapidshare link.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:24 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
The band Rune is currently listed as "Death/Doom Metal", but I'd change their genre to "Technical Death Metal (early), Death/Doom Metal (later)" because the demo and the split EP are pretty much pure tech death. I couldn't find the demo on YouTube, but it's even tech-death-ier than the material on the split. The tracks off the split are here:

1. Birds with Broken Wings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U17Gd_zxi20
2. Song of the Sirens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOfmK-zoezo
3. Weep for Nothing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDBPfmylwsM
4. For the Weary and the Sullen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngOSLnApT0c

-edit- Or change the whole thing to "Technical Death/Doom Metal", since the album is pretty tech-y too. Can't find it on YouTube though. :(
-edit2- I'm just re-listening to the full-length, and I don't really hear much doom at all. Here is a Rapidshare link.


I agree with droneriot, here. I've listened to the album a few times, although while it isn't very prevalent, there are definitely some doomy sections. I would say Technical Death/Doom Metal would be best.

Here are just a few tracks from the album I found on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4CFV6yb_J8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK6hwfiGPyA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmUPej00pw

EDIT: Maybe Tech Death with Doom influences?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:10 pm 
 

Why is Goatwhore listed as just black/death metal? They clearly have a strong thrash influence and thrash riffs are littered throughout all of their music, here are a few examples of such and some other links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC1J2yN7tW0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcEbiakPHI
http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/587/ ... -Interview (talks about their old school Slayer & Celtic Frost influences in their music, it's in the middle of the webpage, I don't know how to highlight, sorry)

It's probably better to change their genre to black/death/thrash metal or something of that nature.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:15 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Soulkeep/72982

This band probably needs to be reevaluated, genre-wise.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChantoftheV ... ture=watch find songs here
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:07 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/For ... lence/4423

Does anyone have a deeper knowledge of the bands music? The current genre descriptor -- Experimental Progressive Death Metal/Folk/Jazz -- makes not much sense. It would be nice to have a better explanation certain periods, if such can be identified in terms of this band.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:30 am 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Forgotten_Silence/4423

Does anyone have a deeper knowledge of the bands music? The current genre descriptor -- Experimental Progressive Death Metal/Folk/Jazz -- makes not much sense. It would be nice to have a better explanation certain periods, if such can be identified in terms of this band.

To be honest I think that's highly indicative of their sound. One of my closest friends loves that band, which in turn made him force it unto me for a long time. Sometimes they sound like Cynic, sometimes they sound just tripped out jazzy, and they do have a strong folk component. With that in mind their compositions are also pretty atypical in terms of structure and length. I'd say that descriptor is the best you'll ever get.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:34 am 
 

Having never heard the band, it doesn't seem so bad to me. I guess one could either drop the "experimental" or the "progressive", but other than that, what's not to make sense of? Provided they have pretty much always combined these things throughout their career.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:44 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
I guess one could either drop the "experimental" or the "progressive"

I wouldn't do that. I know that "experimental", "progressive" and "avant-garde" are sometimes interchangeable terms but that's not the point here. They play progressive music with and experimental twist and folk rhythms, while mixing in death metal instrumentation and vocalizations. So if you ask me I'd say to just leave it as it is, as it's pretty spot on actually.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:16 am 
 

But some band have their styles explained in the add notes; see the Danish band Dominus for instance. Especially for a band as diverse as this one it would be best to elaborate a bit on the genre and the styles. I only know this one release that I wrote a review about.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:21 am 
 

I understand what you mean, but although diverse their style is pretty consistent over their career.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:29 am 
 

I've brought Abruptum up in this thread before, maybe this time a moderator will be willing to sacrifice half a day and half his/her braincells on marathon-ing through their discography. ;)

They are still listed as "Black Metal/Dark Ambient/Noise".

First off: There is nothing dark ambient in their sound. Anyone who has heard them and heard what dark ambient sounds like can attest to the fact that there is no dark ambient anywhere in their discography.

Second: They're not black metal. Hell, except for the first demo which sounds like a death/doom take on Carcass' Reek of Putrefaction they aren't even metal at all. Personally I would describe their sound as "Experimental Noise". Nothing else. There are no metal riffs, there is just guitar noise with rumbling noise drumming and extreme vocals. The aforementioned first demo is an exception, but the rest, up until the Vi Sonus... album is experimental noise. And the two newest albums are less instrumental and even more noise, no more guitars, drums or vocals, just a hell of a headache in audial form.

I would suggest you start with the full-lengths, as particularly the first one, Obscuritatem... is the most representative in their career in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:41 pm 
 

drone is right about Abruptum.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:23 pm 
 

SHould it be discussed on the band entry as well? It would be easier and better, because then all be would appear on one page.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:13 am 
 

Don't know... Dark ambient is definitely abscent, but overall I think Black Metal/Noise should cover it (based on two DSP releases, haven't heard the rest, don't want to :) ) Maybe I should try listen to those two albums again, though I can already see the headache coming.

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You really should listen to it again, there's no black metal (or metal) riffing. They're basically plucking and strumming random notes/chords.
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Obscurum wrote:


Changed to "Groove/Thrash Metal" - some of it is very thrashy, some is groove. Seems like the formula is to start as thrash, then go into a lame 90s groove part.

droneriot wrote:
The band Rune is currently listed as "Death/Doom Metal" ...
-edit2- I'm just re-listening to the full-length, and I don't really hear much doom at all. Here is a Rapidshare link.


Found the album here http://willowtip.bandcamp.com/album/the ... al-edition
Changed to "Technical Death Metal"

MalignantTyrant wrote:
Why is Goatwhore listed as just black/death metal? They clearly have a strong thrash influence and thrash riffs are littered throughout all of their music, here are a few examples of such and some other links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC1J2yN7tW0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcEbiakPHI


Odd, I wouldn't call that second one very thrashy at all, but I know the band well and assumed they were already listed as blackdeathrash.

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http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Soulkeep/72982

This band probably needs to be reevaluated, genre-wise.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChantoftheV ... ture=watch find songs here


Wow, it's some sort of groove/thrash with some death metal vocals, some singing, and some mallcore warbling/whining. Riffing is groove/thrash, vocals are "alternative."

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I've brought Abruptum up in this thread before, maybe this time a moderator will be willing to sacrifice half a day and half his/her braincells on marathon-ing through their discography. ;)

They are still listed as "Black Metal/Dark Ambient/Noise".

First off: There is nothing dark ambient in their sound. Anyone who has heard them and heard what dark ambient sounds like can attest to the fact that there is no dark ambient anywhere in their discography.

Second: They're not black metal. Hell, except for the first demo which sounds like a death/doom take on Carcass' Reek of Putrefaction they aren't even metal at all. Personally I would describe their sound as "Experimental Noise". Nothing else. There are no metal riffs, there is just guitar noise with rumbling noise drumming and extreme vocals. The aforementioned first demo is an exception, but the rest, up until the Vi Sonus... album is experimental noise. And the two newest albums are less instrumental and even more noise, no more guitars, drums or vocals, just a hell of a headache in audial form.

I would suggest you start with the full-lengths, as particularly the first one, Obscuritatem... is the most representative in their career in my opinion.


I don't know all of the music, but it's an odd mix that I would say is some sort of blend of metal forms without metal riffing and a lot of noise. I recall one release, perhaps an EP, where it was more or less a very noisy death/doom song without riffing, just droning on one note. I don't know drone stuff very well, but perhaps something along the lines of "experimental noise, drone/black metal" would fit it? There are metal forms, but not metal riffing, which makes it harder to label accurately, and of course I don't believe in the ritual Satanic sacrifice of my brain cells, so I'm not sure how much I want to go back and listen to.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:36 pm 
 

As for Abruptum, I agree on their demos being (slow) death metal, but not really death/doom. On their later works they've kinda tried to play black metal, but it was completely improvised and lacking any visible structure, so it was close to noise. I'm still feeling black metal/noise wil be a satisfying description. I'm not familiar with their most recent works, so I don't know if there was any dark ambient there. Thus, "Death Metal (early), Black Metal/Noise (later)" is what I propose. (I'm writing this from my memory and am not going to relisten to that crap).

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:16 pm 
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbgMZ__ttWU

Full Obscuritatem... album. No black metal.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:33 pm 
 

Since this topic is live, how about changing Contrastic's genre to "experimental death metal/grindcore"?! I wouldn't go as far as calling their music avant-garde, but they do have a degree of weirdness and experimentation that rivals that of Melancholy Pessimism.

Some songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My0rWym8Ez0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98XhlSe9VE8
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:17 pm 
 

Looking to get a few more opinions on this band before I submit it. Human Compost is a Death Metal/Goregrind band from Toronto (Canada).

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Submit it, that's what the band queue is for.
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Metantoine wrote:
Submit it, that's what the band queue is for.


Alright. Cool. Thanks.

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herra_af_lik wrote:
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Submit it, that's what the band queue is for.


Alright. Cool. Thanks.


Seems like someone has beat me to it. Actually one of the band members.

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Inaccurate genre: Ghost Brigade

Ghost Brigade's sound is heavily based on atmospheric sludge metal and post-rock, alongside mid-to-late 90's Katatonia influence. This mislabeling is probably due to atmo-sludge being quite unknown in relation, and to the fact they frequently tour with fellow Finnish bands. Cult of Luna is definitely closer to them than Insomnium, for example. I'd just change melodic death/doom to atmospheric sludge, and leave depressive rock in place.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:57 am 
 

No word on Abruptum yet?

Anyway, got something new. Planet AIDS. Their current genre is "Drone/Funeral Doom Metal, Industrial, Noise", which for the most part is accurate, except I don't hear noise in their sound. "Drone/Funeral Doom Metal, Industrial" will be better. Full EP on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kBZe4rTK4Y
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:22 pm 
 

I just noticed Shining is still listed as "Black Metal". Last I heard of them was some sort of depressive rock like Joyless or Lifelover are playing. Not an expert on them, but might be worth looking into.
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droneriot wrote:
No word on Abruptum yet?


Was already changed to 'Death Metal (early), Black Metal/Experimental Noise (later)'.

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Somebody (it looks like doomsday) changed Lordian Guard's genre from "epic metal" to "heavy metal." I've got to wonder if this person even heard Lordian Guard before.

Here are two of I would say four of their MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD metal songs:

Lordian Guard - Winds of Thor
Lordian Guard - War in Heaven

Sounds pretty epic to me. But if you REALLY want to hear them get epic...

Lordian Guard - Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God
Lordian Guard - Revelation XIX
Lordian Guard - Golgotha
Lordian Guard - Lost Archangel

C'mon man. This is epic metal.

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DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
C'mon man. This is epic metal.


For what it's worth, should "Epic Metal" really be used as a genre listing? It's a vague term like "Extreme Metal" or "Dark Metal" that's far from descriptive about the music; at the very least is should be used as an adjective for a proper tag, like "Epic Doom Metal" or "Epic Heavy Metal".
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MetalCuresHeadaches wrote:
DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
C'mon man. This is epic metal.


For what it's worth, should "Epic Metal" really be used as a genre listing? It's a vague term like "Extreme Metal" or "Dark Metal" that's far from descriptive about the music; at the very least is should be used as an adjective for a proper tag, like "Epic Doom Metal" or "Epic Heavy Metal".


I don't have a problem with "epic heavy metal." The problem with Lordian Guard though, is it just doesn't sound enough like other genres to classify it well. It's definitely metal. And it's definitely epic. I would say it's closer to power metal than straight up heavy metal, even if LG's songs are usually slow-mid paced. Bill Tsamis (Lordian Guard and Warlord guitarist) Seems to like to classify his music as "epic power metal," so would that work?

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I would agree with "epic heavy metal", I'll talk to Doomsday soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:37 am 
 

I think Minsk shouldn't be labelled as just 'doom metal'. They've this avant-garde and tribal approach which is obviously influenced by Neurosis and they can be seen under the similar artists tab as well.
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androdion
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:53 am 
 

doomster999 wrote:
I think Minsk shouldn't be labelled as just 'doom metal'. They've this avant-garde and tribal approach which is obviously influenced by Neurosis and they can be seen under the similar artists tab as well.

Yeah, I brought this issue in here a few months back... :roll:
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:19 pm 
 

Changed.

Sorry about that, androdion. Posts here are often in danger of getting overlooked/forgotten. Nobody particularly likes dealing with wrong genre reports on the main site and they tend to clog up the queue. This thread kinda reflects that, I suppose.
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