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androdion
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:13 pm 
 

It was more a question of curiosity rather than any other thing, I don't want to be giving you guys much trouble about that. :p I guess it's one of those cases where either tag can be acceptable.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:29 pm 
 

Can someone take a look at Atrocity's genre? I've admittedly never listened to them, but "Electro Gothic/Ethno" sounds extremely fishy.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:43 pm 
 

It doesn't actually, their later works are pretty much electro goth. At least from what I remember.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:10 am 
 

I guess the 'Ethno' part is the most confusing. I'm not 100% sure what it means.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:14 am 
 

I'd assume it refers to "Ethic music influences". :p
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:34 am 
 

It's basically another word for "world music".
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:45 pm 
 

Pr0nogo wrote:
What on earth is grind 'n' roll?

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cor ... 3540338832
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ballgag/74136
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bender/3540321563
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/SmrZ!/3540323344

http://www.metal-archives.com/search?se ... band_genre

Additionally, I believe the Viking metal tag is being applied way to liberally.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kin ... 3540295065

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONcF4GDiSUI <--- aside from the intro, what sets this apart from melodic death metal? It actually sounds a lot like God Dethroned, which is more on the blackened side of things.


I feel this may have been ignored.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:54 pm 
 

Forgive me if I'm being really blind here, but I saw Mitochondrion and Antediluvian were listed as Black/Death|Death/black Metal; I love both bands, and I never could hear any black metal in them, to me what I heard was just pure, dark crushing death metal... A good friend of mine even agrees with me on it for Mitochondrion; he also thinks it's just death metal.

I'm not the best with genres a lot so I was just wondering about this one; thanks for any help ^^
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NJMike wrote:
Forgive me if I'm being really blind here, but I saw Mitochondrion and Antediluvian were listed as Black/Death|Death/black Metal; I love both bands, and I never could hear any black metal in them, to me what I heard was just pure, dark crushing death metal... A good friend of mine even agrees with me on it for Mitochondrion; he also thinks it's just death metal.

I'm not the best with genres a lot so I was just wondering about this one; thanks for any help ^^

Both bands' sound is rooted in Canadian "war metal" (that is, following the sound of the bands like Blasphemy etc), which is essentially a mixture of (old school) black and death metal. Of course, you shouldn't expect Norwegian black metal in there. Maybe these two bands are leaning more towards death metal, but still I think the current description is fine.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:54 pm 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
NJMike wrote:
Forgive me if I'm being really blind here, but I saw Mitochondrion and Antediluvian were listed as Black/Death|Death/black Metal; I love both bands, and I never could hear any black metal in them, to me what I heard was just pure, dark crushing death metal... A good friend of mine even agrees with me on it for Mitochondrion; he also thinks it's just death metal.

I'm not the best with genres a lot so I was just wondering about this one; thanks for any help ^^

Both bands' sound is rooted in Canadian "war metal" (that is, following the sound of the bands like Blasphemy etc), which is essentially a mixture of (old school) black and death metal. Of course, you shouldn't expect Norwegian black metal in there. Maybe these two bands are leaning more towards death metal, but still I think the current description is fine.


Heheh, okay, cool; thanks for the clarification. Yeah, to be honest, I actually was looking for the typical Norwegian black metal vocals and etc. and didn't find anything, but I suppose like you said, it's within the roots, so that is probably why I didn't understand. See I'm not knowledgeable at all with metal history and etc.; I'm just a normal guy that enjoys listening to it. But hey, you live and learn.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:56 pm 
 

Dance Club Massacre:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dan ... acre/79406

If this is "experimental death metal/grindcore", I'm a Belarusian stripper. Their early stuff is shitty mathcore/deathcore (and frankly, not Archives-acceptable):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FSXjfXx9x0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvvqPDpDayI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyV2Iqmp5AY

And then the second album is, at least to my ears, acceptable melodic death metal/metalcore (it sounds like TBDM but with a few more breakdowns):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a5ReBmM29Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPSaJPJacmI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esS9VEnV0O4

So basically "Mathcore/Deathcore (early); Melodic Death Metal/Metalcore (later)".
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:16 pm 
 

Balflare: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Balflare/72160

Their genre is currently listed as "Melodic Speed Metal", which is a genre that many Japanese power metal bands use to describe themselves. The genre should probably be "Power Metal" or "Melodic Power Metal". There is nothing "speed metal" about their sound; I understand speed metal to be related to thrash and heavy metal, and Balflare has never been even close to having anything resembling a thrashy riff. They are also probably the least heavy band on the Archives. :D

Some of their songs:

The Dunes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub-HmO26aKo
Downpour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=536zXQTiRk4

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:22 pm 
 

^ That post reminds me, the band Imperial Circus Dead Decadence is labeled as "Melodic Power Metal" - they only had that sound in the first album. In their latest album, they are symphonic black metal/deathcore; they sound very much like Abigail Williams (In the Shadow of a Thousand Suns), Anthelion and ChthoniC mixed together.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:06 pm 
 

Maybe I don't know much about Blackened Death metal, but Planks don't sound like it to me. Maybe Black/sludge?

Links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_PxnYnDgAU,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLMxbWxfKEU&feature=relmfu
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:43 am 
 

Inhumer wrote:
Maybe I don't know much about Blackened Death metal, but Planks don't sound like it to me. Maybe Black/sludge?

Yeah, you're right. There's fuck all death metal here; what I'm hearing is an interesting combination of sludge, post- influences and black metal. Changed.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:25 am 
 

2. Her Oblivion Will Pass Away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvZEwTOx3Dc
4. Loss... Full of Frustration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI-TlUL_9M0
11. Pessimism, Reverse and Fatal Abstraction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSJ9L3cd7k

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Ec ... Life/62287

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Imagine old-school death metal with grindcore and goth/rock or darkwave.


Azmodes suggested:
Death Metal with various influences + explanation in the add notes.
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Charlo wrote:
Balflare: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Balflare/72160

Their genre is currently listed as "Melodic Speed Metal", which is a genre that many Japanese power metal bands use to describe themselves. The genre should probably be "Power Metal" or "Melodic Power Metal". There is nothing "speed metal" about their sound; I understand speed metal to be related to thrash and heavy metal, and Balflare has never been even close to having anything resembling a thrashy riff. They are also probably the least heavy band on the Archives. :D

Some of their songs:

The Dunes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub-HmO26aKo
Downpour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=536zXQTiRk4

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:53 pm 
 

Just wanted to know how come Minsk are on the Archives as a "Doom Metal" band, I'm just curious if this has been brought about before. I only know their first album and their style there is more on the post-metal/atmospheric sludge or whatever you'd want to call it, with some psychedelic influences. Being dubbed "doom" sounds inaccurate, but then again I'm only speaking with their first album in mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:55 pm 
 

Oh? I thought they were classified as post something already, been a while since I heard them though. I'll check them again.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:59 pm 
 

Thanks Tony. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:31 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Fifth_Dominion/Towards_Elysium/73627

are all part of

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Arcane_Sun/Arcane_Sun/8706

and show the same breadth in concept. Technical death metal is therefore misleading. Technical Death Metal (early) / Doom/Death Metal (later)

evidence:
http://irish-metal.bandcamp.com/album/the-fifth-dominion-towards-elyzium-1995
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^ Sounds fair.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:39 pm 
 

Quercus, the Czech doom band, could have a more specific genre applied to it. I have Postvorta and Nenia and found the band because of a split they did with Mistress of the Dead. It's funeral doom, though Postvorta contains a lot of bizarre quirks. I'm working on a review of that album. The only sample I've been able to find however is part of a compilation on Youtube, and it contains a song from their demo Kverulant... from what I can hear, it's very similar to the sound they have on Postvorta, but much less avant-garde. Though there are "normal" moments on Postvorta... the fact that they use cats meowing as part of a bizarre melody and the fact that it's stuck in my head certainly speaks to their avant-garde tendencies. The doom parts remind me most of Esoteric.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... XEc#t=252s

Avant garde funeral doom? Or just funeral doom?

On a related note, I should really upload the song Poles. That's the one with the meowing cats.

There's a Myspace... somehow I missed this: http://www.myspace.com/quercusofficial

Unfortunately the sample for Poles doesn't go far enough to the part with the cats.
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Changed, Goatfangs.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:47 am 
 

I feel like Nachtmystium should be changed to "Black Metal (early, present), Experimental/Psychadelic metal (mid)" (or something similar to that). The way it is now, it doesn't account for As Made and Silencing Machine going back in a black metal direction.

Old As Made stream: http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2012/05 ... s-as-made/
A couple songs off Silencing Machine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dS2QDw0XH8 (The Lepers of Destitution)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb6BfcMBu34 (Borrowed Hopes and Broken Dreams)

I might be wrong, but the current material just doesn't strike me as psychedelic.
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http://www.metalsucks.net/2012/10/22/ex ... -portrait/

Seems like the right thread to ask this question-does this album/band qualify as metal according to MA standards? Sounds metal to be, but I could see MA calling it "heavy progressive rock" or something.
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Thashierthanthou wrote:
http://www.metalsucks.net/2012/10/22/exclusive-album-stream-familys-portrait/

Seems like the right thread to ask this question-does this album/band qualify as metal according to MA standards? Sounds metal to be, but I could see MA calling it "heavy progressive rock" or something.

You're supposed to use this thread to discuss genre changes for bands already on the Archives. There is no thread to address what you're asking - just submit the band and the mods will judge for themselves.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:23 pm 
 

Hey Tony, how about that genre revising on Minsk?! ;)
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After various times to report it, I will make a post here regarding my band Traum.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Traum/3540343311


The genre isn`t depressive Black Metal because:

1. the lyrical and overall themes DOESN`T handle with depression, suicide or anything similar shit.

2. the music structure & arrangement is not similar to depressive Black Metal. Traums music is more similar to Ambient/Atmospheric wall-sound BM. Trist (cze) for example sounds very similar to Traum and is declared as Doom/Black Metal.

3. I don`t support the definition/term `depressive BM` at all, also because the above mentioned reasons.


So, I would be really satisfied, when someone can change the genre of Traum to Black Metal only. Or maybe Doom/Black Metal. Or something other acceptable. But I just don`t want, that there is a misunderstood message emitted by Traums music and subjects.

Listen here:
http://youtu.be/foh8mJdSOGU


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:26 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bla ... 3540354883

They call their genre Melodic Heavy Metal

Alhadis thinks it is more Gothic Metal

Anyone for a good genre description?

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http://www.myspace.com/blackskull974

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Zorg85 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Blackskull/3540354883

They call their genre Melodic Heavy Metal

Alhadis thinks it is more Gothic Metal


Yeah, I'd say somewhere along the lines of gothic metal.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:10 am 
 

The band Ancestral of Japan is listed as melodic power metal, but they do like to go melodic death about half the time (not that it's very good melodic death by any means). I'd submitted a report about a month ago, but then remembered this thread and figured it would be more appropriate to mention it here. Thanks.

Here's some samples of their melodic death side:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWJLuLHM1RQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXYYJJgr ... ure=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI4eQOkdByg
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I can't find any samples of this band, but "Death/Melodic/Atmospheric/Black Metal" could be written a bit better, probably as "Atmospheric melodic black/death metal"
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sym ... Chaos/4165

Power Metal, not Pagan/Power Metal.
http://www.myspace.com/shadowingsmetal
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:12 am 
 

Hm, this band ... Death metal/metalcore. More accurately deathcore?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:14 am 
 

You know that you could provide some links so we could judge it faster.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:25 am 
 

Well, here you go. I was just going off the names of the genre--deathcore is a fusion of metalcore and death metal, obviously ...

http://www.reverbnation.com/catharsus
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:32 am 
 

Going off the names isn't always a good idea. The band might play strictly death metal on some albums/songs and metalcore on others. Having two juxtaposing genres doesn't always imply a hybrid style.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:20 pm 
 

Charlo wrote:
Balflare: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Balflare/72160

Their genre is currently listed as "Melodic Speed Metal", which is a genre that many Japanese power metal bands use to describe themselves. The genre should probably be "Power Metal" or "Melodic Power Metal". There is nothing "speed metal" about their sound; I understand speed metal to be related to thrash and heavy metal, and Balflare has never been even close to having anything resembling a thrashy riff.


Same deal with almost all of the other Japanese bands who share the "Melodic Speed Metal" genre, or also the "Melodic Power/Speed Metal" ones too. There's often not even the slightest trace of speed metal in their music, only exception being the band Blasdead who actually show some speed metal sound, and as for the bands Divine Wind and 鬼灯 I can't find any samples.

Examples (there's only a few on the archives with this problem still):
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Minstrelix/77645
Samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhLDxnCVIo8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k7uqA2FNJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAvQC9VMNDY

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%E6 ... Seas/50786
Samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np5YDHP99j8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCdhvYUOjcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymKSbvOMVoI

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/403 ... 3540326323
Samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGOtK9rZTug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e37Ri_5xY5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heZ5wfgcMz0

These are the only Japanese bands left with this problem that I know of, the rest that used to have this problem were corrected a while back.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:09 am 
 

Hmmm, I would like to put but Troldhaugen on topic:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tro ... 3540317025

While they did play regular Folk metal, their latest releases in 2012 seems to sounds more like, idk, something like Experimental Folk Metal with heavy Finntroll Influences, concerning the massive amount of various influences they put in their songs while still retaining the Folk Metal sound.

http://troldhaugen.net/album/ramshackle (more noticeable tracks #2, 4, 6, 7 and 8)

So maybe something like Folk Metal (2008-2011) Experimental Folk Metal (2012-) or something like that?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:23 pm 
 

There's something that's been bugging me for a while, and do excuse me if I'm stirring old waters here.

Hate have their genre tag as "Death Metal (early), Death/Black Metal (later)", with the later tag probably due to their last album's approach to the sounds of Behemoth. However I can't hear black metal elements in any of their past three albums, as I suppose that the tag distinction is made on Anaclasis. Having the band dressed up in corpse paint doesn't make your music have black metal elements and I do think that they should just be described as "Death Metal".

With that thought in mind let's take a look at Behemoth. No doubt their first three albums are black metal, and no doubt as well that at least Satanica and Thelema.6 present themselves in a black/death sonority. It can be argued that Zos Kia Cultus still has, if barely, some black metal elements though. But what about from Demigod onwards? Where's the black metal in Behemoth's sound? Again I say that having a "black metal aesthetic" when it comes to choosing the wardrobe or the lyrical themes doesn't make your band sound or have elements of black metal in its music. Wouldn't it be more correct and accurate to have the genre tag as Black Metal (early), Black/Death Metal (mid), Death Metal (later)? It's been at least three albums and 8 years without mixing any black metal in there...

I'd like an honest opinion on this subject and not just a straight up dismissal that "things are going to remain as they are", because I do feel that the genre tags can be misleading on both bands. And since this is supposed to be as accurate as humanely possible... :p

By the way, no one revised Minsk's genre tag as well. It's been a while since I mentioned it here.
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