We can't be having Behemoth and Archgoat sharing genre names, now can we? I listen to a lot of black/death metal and there's a reason a lot of the "war metal" bands get the black/death tag. It's simply a combination of black metal and death metal.

We don't consider war metal to be a valid genre. Sure, it's kind of a niche genre and people know what you mean, but you're arguing semantics. Do any of those bands you listed not fall into a combination of black and death metal? I didn't think so.

"We can't be having Behemoth and Archgoat sharing genre names, now can we?". Exactly what I thought :3
Well, from what I know it is a legit subgenre. Fast rhythm, heavily down-tuned guitars, and low vocals, and when I think of it, it is just like first-wave black metal with better production quality, so still falls under black metal. But, no need to argue about it, I thought that it would be nice to classify those bands as war metal/war black metal, since someone searching for war metal has to search black/death metal, and he will not find what he is looking for in 90% of time, if you know what I mean, but it is OK, you decide
And what about Celeste? Black metal elements in their music are so visible, and they even have it in their genre "combination".

Just updated Hocus (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hocus/127400) to include black metal. Their last two releases are straight Hellenic black metal.

I simplified Quiet Riot's longstanding mess of a genre.

I was wondering if The Body's genre should be changed from 'Sludge metal' to 'Sludge metal (early), Drone/sludge metal (later)' or something based on their latest full length. I'm not the most familiar with The Body's back catalogue but it definitely doesn't sound remotely like straight up sludge metal to me. http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Body/51680

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiG0nI6r1Qg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52lu4B5II-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auODseiDfQM

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Abysmal/2324
I would like to see this band reconsidered. Black / Doom metal simply sounds wrong. I have downloaded the full-length today and the death metal facets cannot be mistaken.

I'm kind of wondering about the genre of Autumnblaze. Their first album, DämmerElbenTragödie, is considered "melodic blackened doom", but seems to be pretty heavy on gothic metal leanings.

Then, I would suggest adding a "/Metal" to their later genre. Perdition Diaries has songs that sound heavier and more extreme than any of their early material, but it's still lumped under the "depressive rock" umbrella with the rest of their later albums. If anything, it sounds like something you'd hear from Lifelover or Forgotten Tomb. If not changing the genre, I would at least say some mention should be made of it in the additional notes.

Here's my suggestion:

Gothic/Black/Doom Metal (early), Gothic/Depressive Rock/Metal (later)

Here's some stuff from DämmerElbenTragödie:


As well as Perdition Diaries:

I'd suggest reevaluating the genre of the Swedish band Unpure.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Unpure/732

It's an awesome band, but aside from the image and the vocals, I don't that black metal is that fitting of a description. It fits the first album, but not so much the stuff after and especially not Trinity in Black. Musically, the stuff that came out after the first one is almost 100% heavy/speed metal with some scattered black metal parts (maybe aside from World Collapse which is heavier on the bm again, even if the speed metal is certainly still there). But Trinity in Black and to a slightly lesser extent Coldland are almost completely heavy/speed metal albums with some bm influences.

Can't find representative samples up on the net however. Almost all samples on youtube come from the self titled first album, which is straightforward black metal. And the only songs from Coldland that are up on youtube are probably the most black metal songs on that release. The only Trinity in Black song I could find is also not really representative of the album, but more so than the coldland stuff that is up. Should I send samples to somebody?

Anyone else who's heard Unpure who's got an opinion?

Does Virgin Steele have any hard rock albums? Seems they were always Heavy/Power Metal, since 1982, but they also tagged as Heavy Metal/Hard Rock (early).

Though I am thrilled to see the band Xibalba (US) on here now, the genres and information is pretty inaccurate. Xibalba are a sludge metal band to be broad, to be annoyingly specific "sludge/death metal/metalcore" (Which should be the genre tag for the page) Xibalba aren't "metallic hardcore" since that's what's said about their prior material, that implies hardcore punk with metal influence. Xibalba are definitely not punk, compare them to actual metallic hardcore like Turnstile or Integrity. Obviously very different. As for their early albums which were sludge metal/metalcore hybrids, they should have been acceptable even before the new album was released. I really insist on this change for the information to be more accurate.

Xibalba is, at their core, a mix of hardcore and death metal without being deathcore. Calling them sludge now is just gonna make my head spin.

Are you serious?

I've taken care of Unpure and Autumnblaze.

Unsure whether to include my latest band in the archives or not. We're currently labelled as "Blackened Crust" by local promoters but I'm more inclined to describe us as Punk/Metal. Second opinions would be welcome:

http://sheerignorance.bandcamp.com/

Unfortunately that is not what this thread is for, nor any other thread on the forum. We don't do preliminary examinations of borderline bands, only appeals if one is rejected (which takes up enough time on its own). If you think it's acceptable, submit it and see what happens, though from the sounds of things, if even you aren't sure, it probably doesn't have a great chance.

it isn't though, the style is distinct from most first wave, it's less thrash influenced. the production quality often isn't better either, e.g. blasphemy's first album.

LeMis still at it. Sorry but I don't agree with this report. The band genre is just fine IMO.

http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/509539

What can you do if the official facebook page of a band report a different genre ? Is it enough to operate an edit, though there are not issue available on youtube, bandcamp or other sites ? Thanks

On its own, this definitely isn't enough to warrant a change, and flagging a report with this alone as proof will go nowhere. Executing these edits would be considered poor practice. Please realize that something as subjective as genre requires actual song samples for us to appraise, and come to the determination on our own. It may seem strange, but we can not just blindly trust what the band calls their style in these instances. Bands oftentimes misrepresent their sound, many times consciously so, to avoid or congregate with a particularly branding. Deathcore bands calling themselves brutal death... metalcore calling themselves melodic thrash metal. The list goes on, and the bottom line is that then-up to date song samples is the best way to go here.

Only staffers can edit genres.

Well, of course. We are not above the law (and mistakes ), however.

Wait wh... I mean, of course!

Thought you were addressing the user specifically with that, my mistake.

It's worth adding that sometimes we add a note about what the band themselves call their style, but that's usually only for con-/insistent terminology and (often tongue-in-cheek) idiosyncratic coinages. "Pirate metal" for Alestorm, as a notable example. The genre field itself, however, follows much stricter guidelines and we always try to judge bands based on their music, not their word.

Nekrogoblikon is Symphonic Folk/Death Metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk1WCupiHOI

Yeah, I've been meaning to change it at the moment. It is more like Melodic Death/Folk Metal.

You picked a horrible song to link for Nekrogoblikon as the band was trying to intentionally blend Power Metal with -core "hence Powercore". I've been meaning to change it, but due to the twiddlings of Electronic in the bands sound like in No one Survives, A Feast, Nekropolis, I've been holding off till Heavy Meta.


tl;dr PDS is on the job

Yeah I definitely see the melo-death aspect, I guess it's the "slash" part that is hard to characterize, good luck haha

Alright, I know what Dying Fetus has been argued to death on this forum but at least take a minute to listen to my case,
I am certainly glad that the mods realize that Dying Fetus has a very clear tech death grounding, but they are leaving out what makes the band's DNA complete, Brutal Death Metal. Especially on their first two albums. When you give them the simple tech death tag, that throws them in the same pile as Athiest, Late Death and Cynic (yes I realize these bands have a clear progressive injection as well). But fans of normal tech death will simply not be able to grasp a band as blatantly heavy and brutal as dying fetus the same way they could a band like Beyond Creation or Demilich. DF have always had the same slur of brutal and technical styles that they share with Suffocation most directly. So by that logic, if Dying Fetus aren't Brutal/Tech death, then that means that bands like Inveracity or Defeated Sanity aren't either. I just feel like it grossly misrepresents the band to place them in such an unfitting tag that puts them in the same boat as bands they sound almost nothing like.

Source/Evidence:
Just to give comparision and proof I placed a track by Dying Fetus, and by other brutal death bands to lay some hard evidence.

Dying Fetus: Blunt Force Trauma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpPtjd668X4

Suffocation: Human Waste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGRUDjrAisA

Dying Fetus: Grotesque Impalement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYZMr7QzVhY

Gorgasm: Horrendous Rebirth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTRa5fT8Vjg

Dying Fetus: From Womb to Waste:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Td8FXlOIo

Inveracity: Visions of Coming Apocolypse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NZM5I6jGGw

Dying Fetus: Shepherd's Commandment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqfbhy8JCe4

Defeated Sanity: Verblendung
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uerMNmU8ukE

Dying Fetus: And the weak shall be crushed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh7aw9BKrXM

Insidious Decrepancy: Rancid Cesspool of Unimaginable splendor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqwLz_t_oIk


I feel like this presents a fair and competent case.

I've brought Dying Fetus' genre up for discussion with the rest of the staff, as it has changed several times around a few relatively minor variations of death metal sub-genres.

Well, I hope that my case was presented well enough to have some effect on the final decision.

We decided on "Brutal Death Metal/Grindcore".

This has been rotting in the queue for too long so I am transferring it here, hopefully to initialize some discourse as I have no experience with it:

Ihsahn's solo project (Antioch):

I don't know that adding that many genre tags are really necessary. After all, progressive metal is quite varied by nature, in timing, tonality, structure, and often instrumentation. Softer atmospheric parts, rock influences, and even saxophone were part of an archetypal progressive metal band, Dream Theater. It really isn't surprising to find a lot of unusual elements to something called "extreme progressive metal".

It does seem to have a lot of atmospheric leanings, but I don't know about post-rock/metal. The later stuff is rock-leaning maybe half of the time, but it is certainly recognizable as extreme progressive metal. I don't think there's a need to overcomplicate the genre tag.

I'm ok with leaving it as is. Extreme Progressive Metal covers his entire solo career.

A user, Funeral_Inception, has reported:
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/512476

He's right concerning the genre shift - a metamorphosis more like - but his suggestion doesn't quite hit the bull's eye.
I'd suggest Progressive Groove/Sludge Metal, perhaps sans the sludge. Their music's still admirably solid. Zodijackyl would know better how to label this one, I believe.

Links to samples (old):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxXIEE-kpq8

Links to samples (new):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5fOvCZLvm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bquz9LScP3E

Another one coming up...
Was listening to some samples while editing this band's page earlier today:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Chi ... iscography

As far as I'm concerned, this is Thrashcore, nothing more. Have a listen, and excuse me for putting you through it. =P
http://chicagothrashensemble.bandcamp.com/

Although I don't see anything wrong with Ihsahn's current genre description, I strongly disagree with your final verdict - because, while it does hint at what the music is (or expected to be), it doesn't do either the musician or his music justice. I feel it's quite harsh to label a band like Age of Silence, with all due respect, "Avant-garde" while denying Ihsahn the same tag, which he deserves ten times over. Experimental, avant-garde, fusion, what have you... It's just a shame that such multifaceted music has to be restricted to "progressive" - and that's not saying anything wrong about the genre - and "extreme", which means absolutely nothing, and you know that ;P.

I would've actually liked to hear theunrelentingattack's thoughts about this, too. Is he around?

I hate this Mallcore Kid title I got, hence this entry =P.

Jesus Christ man, ever heard of "EDIT"? I have double of Double posting. But Penta-posting? If we get up to Hexapost, I'm going to start ganking your lane.

Having cursory knowledge with Age of Silence, they are waaay more "Avant-Garde" than Ihashn. Just having a saxophone in a couple albums doesn't make you "Avant-garde" or anything at all. And this is just coming from only having knowledge of the first three albums. This isn't worth pausing my movie (Operation Petticoat, 1959 staring Cary Grant and Tony Curtis). Also, Prog varies, just looking how the descriptions of the albums are that you give. Just leaving the genre as is is fine.

Those were three valid posts PDS - the first three that is - each for one specific purpose. The penultimate was because I didn't hear of editing - see my rank here - and the last was meant just to anger you =P. Nah, I wouldn't do that, hehe. Believe me it's not about the saxophone only, but I won't pursue this any longer. Extreme Prog Metal is just as good as any other tag.

I'm around - but which band did you want my opinion about?