Brocas Helm, seems okay the way it is to me.

Fine as is.

The genre was changed to Groove/Nu-Metal.

Austin, Texas based band Sudden Deaf is classified has heavy/power metal here:

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sudden_Deaf/3540513607

Judging by their debut album that was released this past October, I think heavy/doom metal would be a lot more accurate:

https://suddendeafatx.bandcamp.com/album/havoc-2

I hear no power metal anywhere and there's doominess to be found in like every track except the first one.

Agreed - Sudden Deaf's genre has been changed.

Should all USPM bands have a "heavy" tag with them to help differentiate from EUPM? I know many of them do, but not all. For example, Iced Earth could be called heavy/power/thrash metal. Some sources such as Rate Your Music and the Metal Music Archives consider it to be an extension, or more rooted in trad heavy metal.

English Dogs are listed as "speed/power metal" for their middle period, but the material in question is pretty straightforward thrash with a punk edge.

See tracks from Where Legend Began and Metalmorphosis here: https://candlelightrecordsuk.bandcamp.c ... etal-years

A Shattered Dream (USA): Power/Speed Metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaNXH_6lDvM
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/A_ ... Dream/1784

The genre is fine as is. For all three English Dogs pages. It's been fine for ages. Also, don't mess with the additional notes in any of the three pages, please.

Horseman (Germany): Groove Metal/Metalcore:
https://open.spotify.com/artist/04cR2I3lc5JbZ4gUUskBcy
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ho ... 3540318297

Heavy metal shall be changed here. I don't hear power metal

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/White_Ash/47342

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_EPy__tdROM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxOY9bZug7o

Good catch. Heavy Metal/Hard Rock describes this excellent 7" a lot better.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Racer_X/1306

https://metal-samples.com/category/racer-x/

They have some USPM elements here

Racer X is fine as is (in my opinion).

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Persuader/987
Persuader are listed as Power Metal but certainly do not sound like what I would expect from such a genre. There are very strong thrash influences across every one of their albums and I think it should be included in the genre. Either as Power/Thrash Metal, or Power Metal with thrash metal elements. Some samples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUc8nsD ... lsonpoland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBSvm57 ... oSchea1001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAP5Osj ... ader-Topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhEmAvZ ... 9Rodrigues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdaZ4yW ... Recordings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEmuUTt ... itChloe%21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQTnHHV ... rsMusicsrl

It's inaccurate. Can you explain how it's power metal without just saying people are deaf? The additional notes should not say an album that is not power metal is a milestone of power metal.

I'll let the mods have the final say, but I, too, ask exactly how is English Dogs's mid '80s work in anyway influential to the development of Power Metal. Is there any credible scholarship which cites English Dogs as an influence on Power Metal? Are there any zines featuring reviews of Where Legend Began or Forward Into War being described as Power Metal or perhaps contemporaneous band interviews (especially those with genre-defining acts like Helloween, Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Scanner, Grave Digger or Stratovarius [or even stateside bands like Fates Warning, Riot V, Manowar, Jag Panzer, Omen or Manilla Road]) where respondents cite English Dogs as an influence on Power Metal or simply recommend them to readers?

Bear in mind genres tend to have fuzzy definitions when they initially emerge, and even acts that don't fit the genre at all somehow get labeled such by music journalists, record labels/distros or clueless fans. An outstanding example of this tendency is Bostonian band Executioner whose crude mix of Hardcore Punk and Speed Metal was promoted as Power Metal. Similarly, many distros/labels promoted lesser known '70s Heavy Psychedelic bands as Doom Metal or Proto-Doom, catering to the intrigue in forgotten heaviness of yesteryear.

I really don't want to be a pain-in-the-ass, but I agree with PhantomOTO especially if English Dogs are being described as a milestone in the genre's development. If you think those albums are Power Metal, be my guest, but tell me how they're influential. As far as I can see, not even RYM supports that claim. Apart from fantasy lyrics (and lyrics alone don't define a genre), how are those English Dogs's albums Power Metal? They don't have the same blistering yet melodic intensity of early Helloween and Blind Guardian or any of the polish/sheen of Gamma Ray and Stratovarius, and they certainly don't have any of the proggy influences of Fates Warning and Crimson Glory. To me, the album Where Legend Began sounds like crude Punk-influenced Speed Metal with nods to Heavy Metal.

Danish Heavy Metal band Anger became a sadly AOR band so their genre can be called Heavy Metal (early), AOR/Hard Rock (later)

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anger/9645

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=umaF5_uQNaE

https://metal-samples.com/category/anger/

Anger genre has been adjusted. They had melodic heavy metal in their later genre in addition to hard rock/AOR.

Thrash Metal elements added to Persuader's genre.

Heavy/Power Metal can be accurate to Scarlet Bride or maybe to keep it as "Melodic Power Metal" as is?

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sc ... ide/108429

https://heavenandhellrecords.bandcamp.c ... ding-still

- Nice catch. Have changed it to Melodic Heavy/Power Metal.

I wouldn't call this band thrash only.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/D.H./41646

https://www.youtube.com/@dhbandtrashedeath3560/videos

Michael Khill

On Metallum it's like just Grindcore, since that's not pure Grindcore, according to the album, it's more like a weird mix of Death Metal with Hardcore and Grindcore, I think it would be more suitable as Death Metal/Grindcore

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mi ... 3540518804

https://michaelkhill.bandcamp.com/album ... -malessere

- changed it to Thrash/Death Metal.

Thanks!

Heavy/Power Metal may be a good accuracy for Fatt Matt

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fatt_Matt/79267

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qyDANy4Gqjg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Zrq0dnROk

- Genre is updated.

Sanguisugabogg are practically a slam death metal band now, should their genre be changed to "Slam/Brutal Death Metal"?

Only Living Witness has been hurting my head for months now, its genre on the site has changed multiple times:

- Stoner/Alternative Metal/Grunge (current)
- Stoner/Alternative Metal/Grunge/Post-Hardcore
- Stoner Metal/Hardcore/Grunge
- Stoner Metal/Hardcore
- Thrash Metal with hardcore influences

Now, I'm lowkey obsessed with this band and I have listened to pretty much every single thing they've put out and it still feels like I can't find a proper explanation to what they played. Their first album is a mix of groove/stoner metal with hardcore, there are some alternative elements but it's pretty raw and simplistic, I'd even say it could be called metalcore, as the band clearly had a very important influence in many of the metalcore bands that came out of Massachussets in the late '90s and early 2000s. On the other hand, their second album is something very different, much more alternative and melodic but still preserving a simplistic style, it's post-hardcore-ish, I wouldn't say it has as much stoner influence as their first album.



Their older demos are mostly thrash/hardcore, quite faster, more in the style of Formicide than it what would later be OLW's sound.

I'm not really sure what the proper genre tag would be, but something along the lines of "Stoner Metal/Metalcore/Hardcore (early); Alternative Metal/Metalcore (later)" could work, I say the "Grunge" should be dropped since it's too ambiguous in my opinion. Personally I just think there's a clear difference between their two full-lengths and that their genre is way too unique, so some discussion regarding this would be great to finally come to a genre tag that describes the music well enough.

About Sweden's Banished entry; It's labeled as Blackened Heavy Metal, I think it should be Blackened Heavy Metal (early)/ Death'n roll (or heavy death metal) (later), basing myself on their last demo, since I don't hear any Black Metal there except for the vocalist's screams.



Sorry if I'm mistaken or if I don't fully understand the genres.

Also, Umman Manda is listed as Doom Metal here, but their latest EP sounds really different from traditional Doom Metal, so can anyone point out the finger here for me? I don't know a lot about genres.

https://ummanmandaatx.bandcamp.com/album/umman-manda

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... ab_members

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IGcekHrLi ... e=youtu.be

Heavy/Power Metal for it's accuracy

Done.

https://metal-samples.com/category/Anaconda/

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anaconda/3079

Didn't this band played more traditional heavy metal?

Can Flametal be re-labed to flamenco/progressive folk metal instead? They combine metal with folk elements, which is essentially what folk metal is. I don't really hear that many speed metal elements here, though it does sound pretty proggy/experimental.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Flametal/20946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJLgoO ... oodsGuitar

May I suggest adding in punk in the genre of Valhalla Bound? Their latest album does have some punk elements.
https://valhallabound.bandcamp.com/album/spartan-youth

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBcbZ2t_o9w

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fo ... 3540308566

Heavy metal can be accurate

About Forced Entry - agree, and have changed the genre.

Along with the Flametal case, I think Lovebites should be just straight-up power metal instead of heavy/power as listed in the Archives. There are a few other heavy/power bands that may also be changed as such, but I should check back first. This would help better differentiate from other listed but different heavy/power metal bands like Manowar and Savatage.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lo ... 3540428459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pbtd7L ... annel=dord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYgoq8i ... C%EF%B8%8F

Also, why is shred considered a genre in the Archives? Djent I can understand due to its uniqueness, but shredding is practically used in almost every style of rock music.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... 3540262796

http://www.mediafire.com/file/g0cp46yt7 ... 9.rar/file

Heavy Metal/Hard Rock can be accurate. They never played any power metal