Yes, obviously. We judge the riffs, and whether or not the band is acceptable based on that alone. Needlessly complicating the appraisal process would put the high level of accuracy/efficiency we enjoy at risk.

Indeed. Both instances of your question are true.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aut ... iscography
I suggest updating the genre to Gothic Metal/Rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS0KKkVKPmU (2007)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhwXK5RwBOg (2009)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP3zzPC3a1s (2009)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAOfqivR1Uk (2009)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6awxKdEQ8 (2011)

Come on IAV, don't be a turd. Bands like Crimson Shadows and Desultor absolutely exist. Just because it isn't common doesn't mean it isn't possible.

Any thoughts about Autumn yet?^

I've been listening to a lot of Iron Maiden's post-2000 output, and I know people have mentioned that they have also been more on the progressive side of things and I totally agree. So, just as a suggestion, why not make their genre description something like "Heavy Metal/NWOBHM (early), Progressive/Heavy Metal (later)"?

No. The songs are long but they're repetitive and progress about as much as a glacier. Also precisely zero people would consider them a progressive heavy metal band anyway. Some people consider the new stuff proggy, sure, but it's not even close to significant enough to add in, in my eyes.

Any thoughts? I know it's from the last page but it was still roughly 3 weeks ago

Done. Those shallow goth rock choruses bleh.



I changed it to Symphonic Gothic/Groove Metal, the description sounded right to me atm. If any of the mods sees different, go ahead.

The genre of this band is a little messy:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Leg ... 3540362560

Since in the additional notes is explained the amount of genres that the band had over the years, along with the full-lenght's reference, so I think that all the numbers, extra-words and "Blood, Pride, Pain" should be removed from the tab. Maybe something like this could be more accessible to most people:
"Hatecore/RAC/Metalcore (early), Death Metal/Deathcore (now).


And about this:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Eiswerk/3540320839
Aren't "expermental" and "avant-garde" the same? Sorry for my ignorance if I'm wrong.

I'm curious as to where the line between metal/non-metal is drawn on Year Of No Light's case. Can someone please enlighten me?!

Are you asking for a genre change? Or for a deletion? I don't really get what you are requesting.

Ah, forget about it. I thought I'd seen an "early/later" on the genre (like "yada yada metal early, post-rock/ambient" later) but it's... somewhere else.

My bad, sorry mate. Kind of a mouthful that genre tag though.

Ugh, this is a hard one to handle. There's not really any RAC here, it doesn't have the Oi-style backing shouts, the emphasis on short, chorus-like bursts of vocals with "the message," the folk-influences, nor the anthemic-rock touch that seem to define RAC. The first two albums are basically just hardcore punk, the first one just straight power chords, the second one where the guitarist discovers chugging. The third album is thrashy hardcore/metalcore that's 95% tremolo/chugging riffs. The fourth one and fifth ones are deathcore that's pretty much groove/death metal mixed with mallcore. The "hatecore" tag has been banished, but I'm not sure the genre-hopping is covered sufficiently by less than three genres. Maybe "hardcore punk/metalcore (early)" could be appropriate, but there's enough of a difference to list three genres, IMO. I don't know, my brain is fried from this shit.

I mean, I just listened to nazi nu-metal, what the fuck?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXBspPhX7Rs

I only heard two of their songs, from their 2013 album at a long time ago, at least, they seemed to be some kind of deathcore (breakdows/chugging/wtv), but it is so similar to death/nu metal at some time that it turns difficult to label. I believe that the appropriate tag should be something like deathcore, but more influenced by (strange) nu metal than death. Dunno.

Icon: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Icon/3540263980
Current genres: Power Metal (early), Heavy Metal/Hard Rock (later)

Their first album is in no way power metal of any kind. It's much closer to contemporary glam metal, albeit on the heavier side. If this is power metal, so is WASP's first few LPs. You could probably make a reasonable case for Dokken, too. Basically any post-NWOBHM American heavy metal band would be power metal (which to me seems like the inevitable conclusion of the "USPM" push but I digress). Here's the whole thing on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPBe6iQ81qI

Also AOR is a much more appropriate label for their later stuff. Check out Night of the Crime for an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF6yFY2ziUs

I think that the band Portal needs a genre correction.

Link: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Portal/5471

It is categorized as "Experimental Death Metal", which I think is not a detailed categorization. Their first album "Seepia" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OuY2Rru1qY) has more black metal then death metal influences in it.

Their second album "Outre'" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9SMpZ3SGRY) sounds like 50% death metal/50% black metal.

Their third album "Swarth" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSgEGKonGzg) does not have that much black metal influences as the previous two had, and if it has some, those are played in a death metal "way".

Their forth album "Vexovoid" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWih7eajpk) does have significantly more black metal influences then the Swarth had.

In that case, I think you can change genre (if I am right, of course) to either simple: "Experimental Black/Death Metal", or, if you want to go more detailed: "Experimental Black/Death Metal early, Experimental Death Metal mid, Experimental Black/Death Metal late", but, the second one I find a bit messy, so I think the first one would be perfect.

Thank you for your time.

The band was rejected for having a release that does not qualify for the site. If you would like to inquire as to why the band was not accepted, please use the correct thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=64985

Oh, that's what that was. Seemed like a random spammer. But yeah, use the correct thread, mahabone. It's even directly linked in the email you received.

Maybe I'm just blind, but did Akphaezya's page always say "Avant-Garde Gothic/Progressive metal?" http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Akphaezya/51445

I'm normally not one to fuss over genre tags I disagree with, but how in the world did "gothic" get in there (I swear I never saw it before)? Sure there's gothic moments, as well as jazz, circus, folk, electronic and whatever else. It doesn't make any sense to latch onto that element in particular. If you really wanted to, jazz has a much stronger case. You can hear their whole first album and a decent chunk of the second one from their bandcamp page here. https://akphaezya.bandcamp.com/

Just avant-garde/progressive metal would be the most accurate, in my opinion.

Been that way since April 2011, at least. But I agree, seems to be another case of "instant gothic, just add female singer". Changed.

Really? I've been on that page a million times before, and I've never noticed it until now. Thanks for giving me some peace of mind anyway.

I've been listening to Exist M lately and I don't agree entirely with their genre definition on MA: Death/Thrash Metal.
Yes, they definetly have some thrash influences in their music, but not so much that could label them as a thrash metal band. In my opinion, I can associate them with something more directioned to deathcore/death metal.
Listen to their music:
http://myspace.com/existm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiIImLdfn1M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWoZnqzAfs8

I'd like to bring up Lover of Sin. It was changed recently, switching out "Dark Metal" with "Death Metal". While I am all for the elimination of the dark metal tag, I can't say I agree with calling this Blackened Death Metal. I would say there are bits of black metal here and there, but it's definitely not built off of a black metal basis, and most certainly not death metal. Out of the material I could find, the first song listed below is the most "extreme", while the rest comes off as some sort of weird, heavier form of deathrock.

Greetings.

I have noticed that there are still some bands in the archives that are labelled as modern metal and I thought I might provide some help in cleaning their genres. My first choice was the band Xenesthis, whose most songs can be found here: https://mp3juices.is/search?q=xenesthis ... 54e9ns17pw. I have listened to three songs from the album Sick of Pitch-Black ("Lines", "This Burden" and "Upperclass Romance") which sound like metalcore (I'd appreciate any other opinions) and to three songs from their latest album Thou Shalt Not ("Hedonist's Horror", "Reflections" and "United in Chaos") which sound like Lacuna Coil's gothic metal (I'd appreciate other opinions on this genre as well). Those are band's only full-length albums and I think that the genre should be changed from Metalcore (early), Modern Metal (later) to Metalcore (early), Gothic Metal (later). I will also try to find audio samples for the remaining 12 bands but can't the "modern metal" label simply be wiped out from the following bands ?

Lambotomy - Modern Heavy Metal
Pluck - Modern Thrash Metal
Szeg - Metalcore with Modern Metal influences
And Utero Dominae - Groove/Metalcore/Modern Thrash Metal
Fear Disorder - Modern Thrash/Groove Metal
Northern Tales - Melodic Death/Modern Groove Metal
Bioeraser - Modern Death/Thrash Metal/Industrial

All the bands above have valid genres excepting the "modern" label.

Regarding the band Gemanon that is classified as Melodic Death/Modern Metal - I'd suggest that the genre be switched to Melodic Death/Progressive Metal. I would appreciate any other opinions since that genre was set as Modern Metal by a metal demon. MP3s can be found here: https://mp3juices.is/search?q=gemanon&h ... d883ns1puw.

Concerning the band This Cold Life that is listed as Melodic Death Metal, Modern Metal - I'd suggest that the genres be switched to simply Melodic Death Metal. I have listened to six songs of theirs, three from the album Ascent of the Fallen ("Ascent of the Fallen", "A Darker Side of Me" and "Shatter") and three from the album Fallacy ("Beneath the Ash", "More Than Meets the I" and "Eyes of Solace") and the music seem to be unquestionably melo-death, excepting few progressive influences.

Here are the three songs from Ascent of the Fallen:




... and the entire Fallacy album:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... tev934oPji

Hello again... Where's everyone, I wonder...

However...
Regarding the Russian band Inexist that is categorized as Melodic Death Metal (early), Modern Metal (later) - I didn't manage to notice anything else in their sound excepting melo-death. I have listened to three songs from each of their main albums :

Am I Senseless?: "www.animal-status.com", "Real Fear" and "Pain"
Relax and Fell Free: "Fuck the Difficult", "4x4" and "Inner Existence"
Погружение: "Я один", "21 грамм" and "Минус один" (tracks 1, 10 and 11)

I haven't listened to the other two albums, Навстречу мечте and Decompression, because, as the additional notes state, the first one is nothing more than the Russian version of Relax and Feel Free and the second one is just the English version of Погружение. The songs can be found below:



The songs "Real Fear", "Pain" and "Inner Existence", and many other of their tracks as well, can be found at http://mp3juices.com.

Genre changed to "deathcore"



There's certainly some blackened death metal, like in that first song, but I agree that it seems to be more like a heavy form of deathrock, more or less some sort of gothic metal. I'd like another staffer's opinion on this one.



I have gone through much of the "modern metal" on the site, but it has been a somewhat difficult project as most of what is left are bands I couldn't find samples of. I did not remove the tag from those bands because the inclusion of "modern" in the genre tag was generally an indicator that the submitter or whoever put that tag there was uncertain and couldn't really discern the genre.

That website you linked doesn't work for me. I'll check what I can find elsewhere, since I last went through this a while ago.

Looks like it requires a new search session. Searching once again using "Xenesthis" or "Gemanon" will display all the songs from the respective band that can be found on that site. However, the bands This Cold Life and Inexist have their name consisting in common words so searching on the band name alone will display random results. The songs of those bands need to be searched track-by-track.

Try searching on the website's homepage: http://mp3juices.is. It surely works; try downloading the songs if you have any problems listening.



I'll do my best to help clean those genres.

"Modern" genre re-evaluations:

Lambotomy "Modern Heavy Metal"

Groove metal/mallcore spectrum. "Alternative" influences too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v7t-NBRWOc

Tracks on Myspace sound like mallcore/groove metal too.
https://myspace.com/lambotomyband

Needs further input from staff

Pluck "Modern Thrash Metal"

All I can find on this one is a tracklist labeled as "trash metal" but no music. I guess just "thrash metal" would be fine?

Szeg "Metalcore with Modern Metal Influences"

Appears to be accepted based on the 2003 album, which sounds like nu-metal-era Machine Head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsgDvzcSJiI

The later stuff is disappointingly similar. Somewhere on the groove metal-mallcore-metalcore spectrum, this will need to be examined further.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1Gs0yGP9k

And Utero Dominae "Groove/Metalcore/Modern Thrash Metal"

Chuggy groovy thrashy metalcore with a drum machine that almost sounds industrial at times. It's only a three song demo, though. A bit reminiscent of Threat Signal. It's more or less metalcore. Genre corrected.

Fear Disorder "Modern Thrash/Groove Metal"

Groove metal. Genre corrected.
https://myspace.com/therealsteveskull

This Cold Life "Melodic Death Metal, Modern Metal"

Sounds like early 00s In Flames/Soilwork. This is melodic groove metal.

Inexist "Melodic Death Metal (early), Modern Metal (later)"

Sounds like nu-In Flames. This is melodic groove metal.


...and the rest, for another day when I feel like listening to D-rate In Flames/Soilwork clones for a few hours.

Corpse Molestation needs a genre correction. It is stated on Encyclopedia that it is Death Metal, but the band was playing bestial/war black metal (or black/death metal), and it's music is same as the music of Blasphemy, Bestial Warlust (this is the band consisted of same people as Corpse Molestation), Black Witchery and similar bands who spawned the genre. So, I suggest changing it to Black/Death Metal.

Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2qXVQnPOM
Encyclopedia: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cor ... tion/12239

Thank you for your time.

PS: Anyone took look into Portal?

Mystifier's tag should be changed to black/death metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiV-gOHKMxo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1EvEUyEh_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTdrQifsMbc

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cattle_Decapitation/2840

The current genre listing for Cattle Decapitation isn't very consistent with what they are playing on the last 2-3 albums (ever since The Harvest Floor). There's really not that much grindcore left in their sound. The sludgier tempos are far more prominent on The Anthropocene Extinction, the album much more of an atmospheric mid-tempo death metal feel to it, plus let's not forget the heavily blackened tremolo picking, black metal-tinged shrieks and blast beats. They're more of a common death metal band with influences from black, prog and sludge metal these days, rather than actual death/grind as they were in the past.

Firespawn genre should be changed. It is stated that it is Death Metal, but, their music has a strong black metal influence, so, I suggest changing to Blackened Death Metal.

Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D225qOxugc#t=170
Encyclopedia: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fir ... 3540399796

So what exactly would you suggest they be changed to? There are a lot of influences at play but unless you can think of something more succinct than "atmospheric progressive death/black/prog/sludge/grind", then I don't know what to do with it. I'm not a fan of the band but from what I understand the early albums were more noticeably "plain" deathgrind, no? If that's the case, then it seems like what they have is really the least confusing jumbled mess of subgenres that still encompasses their entire discography.

"Death Metal/Grindcore (early), Progressive Death Metal (later)"?

I wouldn't be wholly opposed to that, but progressive death metal still doesn't sit right with me. Are any staffers fans or at least more familiar with them than I?

Cattle Decapitation's genre is fine as is. The whole "early/later" mention can be completely skipped if the tag stays the way it already is. Besides, the current tag it's more fitting and illustrating than plain Progressive Death Metal.