Please reconsider, TSIR. Threshold has always been a metal band with some rock aesthetic. It's not like Dream Theater or Fates Warning's music is void of rock elements. Besides, the songs he linked are very misleading. It's actually extremely surprising that someone who previously argued that later Anathema is not rock (yet metal) should argue that there's enough rock in Threshold's music so as to warrant a tag change.

Rock elements are present in most Progressive bands. However, they are more present in some, less present in others. ''A Pleasant Shade of Gray'' (1997) is a ''softer'' Full-length for Fates Warning's standards, but it still can't be considered a Progressive Metal/Rock album, since Metal elements outweigh the Rock ones.

But in Threshold's music, I dunno, those Rock elements are plenty in most of their entire discography.

If you don't know, you shouldn't post in the first place. Instead of linking four ballad-esque songs, link an entire full-length, the one which you consider their "softest", and see if you can make a case there. This is just sad.

Actually, what's sad is taking a phrase out of a whole context and intentionally paraphrasing what I'm saying.

Linking 4-5 songs of different eras is way more cohesive than linking 1 Full-length out of the 10 the band has released over almost 3 decades.

I present a case, mods can accept it or reject it. I don't mind either way.

I think I was just trying to piss you off. I addressed TSIR, same as you did; however, you chose to talk to me, so I replied. No - referring to what you've decided to delete - this isn't "mini-modding", as I wasn't addressing your query directly; I requested TSIR's caution on this one, so, basically, I knew my limits. Anyway, this isn't playing "the tough guy" either - again, your discretion was faster than my post - this is called fandom. That's how we, fans, talk about music... passionately, as it were. I've said my last here; I was talking to TSIR, and I've just realised that I've been wasting my time with you instead. After all, I don't care that much. To me, Threshold is metal. Period. But this is not the place to digress on the matter.

Actually, you were minimodding, since you're telling him how he should be presenting his case as opposed to simply presenting your own. Disagreeing with him is just fine but just telling him he's doing it wrong without actually presenting a real case to the contrary is just being snobby. However, you are correct that cherry picking samples that help your point instead of giving an overall picture right off the bat isn't exactly helping

Either way, I don't care for the band/style myself so I have no real inclination to listen to a bunch of stuff and see where the line should be drawn, but for what it's worth I did ask a friend who is a big fan and much more knowledge about the genre and he says Metal Asylum is on the right track and their more mellow rock-y stuff is pretty darn prominent.

The number one factor in making our work hard here as contributors is falsifying facts. You can't weed those out with your eyes closed, and no matter how unpleasant such instances are, they're all in a day's work. I do a lot of legwork, believe me, but others' laziness bites sometimes. On the one hand, this felt like such a case to me. On the other hand, I shouldn't have assumed that TSIR only listened to those four samples, but, if that was the case, I wanted to tell him they weren't enough. Mini-modding? Not quite, BH. Snobbiness? Maybe. I'll give you that, as you've given him a reason to celebrate. I take things MA-related quite personal sometimes. I'm not a mod, yes, but we, minions, care too.

Progressive metal/rock is not my forte at all, which is why I was requesting some other mods to chime in. The samples linked sounded very rock-ish and from what I've listened to in the past (not much, mind you) came across as pretty soft. Then again, most progressive bands sound pretty soft to me after a steady diet of first wave black metal.

Regardless, I'm going to wait and see if anyone else chimes in before changing anything!

Haha. Well said.

Anatomy of I sounds like technical death (/black?) metal.

Six weeks!!!

Not such a major change but I think the band should be listed as Death Metal/Hardcore instead of just Metalcore.
Full-length: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWTvxuxqxls
Split: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmQjE91kJpE
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Chi ... aia/109537
Their sound isn't really a fusion of genres; it just has elements of both.

Zero Tolerance
Imo Groove Metal is prominent enough to be listed on the Genre field.
It's easy to identify specially on tracks: 1, 3, 9.

https://zerotolerancechile.bandcamp.com/

Looks like this one got buried. Anyone?

Anyone else?

Ehh, no, I wouldn't add grind to their genre. Not predominant enough.

I feel progressive metal is fine for Threshold just like it is for Dream Theater.

As for the genre, prog intrinsically has other styles mixed in, and prog metal will - of course- have prog rock *elements* in it. We don't need to call Dream Theater of Queensryche "progressive metal/rock" despite having some rock in there. Typically, I would only tag a band as such if there are many songs and/or albums where the metal is distinctly secondary.

Metal Asylum, you should stop inquiring about changing genres, it doesn't seem to be your strong point.



No.



Changed.



Current genre is fine. Sounds like some of the more metallic late 90s/early 00s metalcore.



Current genre (death metal) is fine.



Not my forte, sounds like early High on Fire. Stoner/doom seems accurate but you could say there's some sludge in there.

Ok, no prob. Thanks for the responses.

Thank you so much for the responses.

Got it. Thanks for taking the time, Zodi.

Drowning : Hardcore (early), Death Metal (later)
(hardcore stuff) https://www.facebook.com/earlydrowning + http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dr ... nch/461427
(metalcore transition) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mny1SLwlG6o ; Then Death Metal.

Diapsiquir (suggestions) :
Experimental/Industrial Black Metal (early), French Variety (or "Chanson") (later)
OR Experimental/Industrial Black Metal, Various

It actually fits more, based on the last third of their productions (btw they actually assume the Chanson Française album that is their latest)
Diapsiquir/Peste Noire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ovxRjPy2AU
Cave du 18 Mixtape https://soundcloud.com/diapsiquir/mixta ... 8-volume-1
180° https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w0psjMZvic

Feel free to give your opinions. Cheers.

Meanwhile, here's two others bands I've posted about a few weeks ago below

Any update on Chiva?

Also, I found this band called Earthshine. They're listed simply as doom metal, but there is definitely a mixture of a few other elements there. The guitars are very shoegazey sounding, and the vocals consist almost entirely of death grunts. I think it has a very similar idea to what Katatonia were doing with their Brave Murder Day album. It's definitely not traditional doom.

Doom/Death/Post-Metal comes to mind as being the most accurate tag to me, tying in the harsh vocals and the shoegazey sound of the band overall.

Bandcamp page

Not sure if symphonic metal suits Chiva. Afterall, it is closer to black/doom than to Within Temptation. I mean, it's to dark and doomy for that tag.

It's funny you should say that, because I think it sounds close to what WT's Enter album would be without female vocals! Maybe doom/symphonic metal? I just haven't heard any black metal elements out of it. Perhaps it's comparable to Summoning a bit, but at least Summoning has moments of faster passages and blackened rasps/screams at times, whereas there are neither with Chiva.

May I get a response to this? I posted it nearly two months ago, and it seems like it got lost in the shuffle.

Back in the latter half of the 90's, bands similar to his were called dark metal. Now, I know there are lots of opinions as to whether that's a genre at all, but to me it seems Chiva would fit that bill.

Sorry for bringing this up again, but I still would like to know about your opinion about the current genre of the Belgian Emptiness.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Emptiness/5845

According to the latest album called Not for Music, their current genre is definitely not Black/Death Metal. I know it's hard to categorize their latest material, but should be called Atmospehric(?)/Experimental Metal. Please take a listen to the album and change the genre on the band page if it's possible.
http://emptiness.bandcamp.com/album/not-for-music

I do not wish to open reports regarding this matter again, because probably it will be closed again without any change, just like last time.

That's quite an assumption to make - I don't remember the old reports, but I certainly don't want you feeling jaded about our policies on here. Maybe you could take the time to send me a PM and see if I can clarify things and look into why it was closed.

If it was closed without changes, that would have been for a good reason. If I can take the time to explain why, I'd be happy to.
Thanks - EC

That Emptiness album sounds like post-metal, post-punk to me.

Thanks for the reply, PM sent.

Received, check your Inbox for a response. Thanks.

Chiva's genre originally WAS dark metal. I'm sort of on the fence as to whether it's a legitimate genre or not, as I feel it could potentially sum up a genuine style of it's own (a weird, atmospheric blend of gothic, doom, black), but it's typically used for bands that could easily be summed up as other styles... which more often than not, is simply blackened doom (notice how it took forever for us to finally list early-Bethlehem as black/doom).

I guess it wouldn't really be wrong to call it something like gothic/black/doom metal. I still feel as if there are a lot of darkwave/neoclassical/symphonic elements in the mix, but I suppose that could be summed up with the addition of gothic in the tag. I wouldn't be against just changing it back to dark metal either.

Hellhound from Indonesia. Genre more specific in technical death metal than just death metal. http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hel ... 3540356200
This is taken from first demo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=woDvj0UbRtk
Full album https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlwkIC7GssU
Latest demo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0cdrjUy6RYE

I've just listened to Mahakala's new album, The Second Fall, and I think the Heavy/Doom Metal would describe their genre more accurately than the current one.
Could you please look into this matter?
http://mahakalaband.bandcamp.com/album/the-second-fall-smc-2017

I'm a big Nevermore fan and I thought their genre assignment was a bit off on their page here. I wrote a report about it and got directed here so I would love more input. The original report is as follows:

I don't think groove metal is an appropriate way to describe Nevermore's sound. A more apt way to describe them would be Progressive Thrash Metal. I've always described their sound as Death Metal with a clean vocalist. I own all of their albums and have listened to them all several times and I can't think of one song that I would qualify as groove metal. They can definitely groove but many bands incorporate groove metal elements without committing to the genre.

Source/Evidence:
Some of their more popular songs, which don't signify a groove metal label (at least to me):

Enemies of Reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKogwqaNUKQ
The River Dragon Has Come: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHKqbc_9Rc8
Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotatio ... LHoYZCpBnU

Disinfected from Indonesia. Genre should be brutal death metal. No grindcore riffing on their musics.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Disinfected/2440

Taken from full album 2001 https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4C4FFEFB7AC8359C
Taken from EP album 2005 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ISyvF8bCct8
Taken from split album 2012 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QXVfbN2MwtQ

Funeral Inception from Indonesia. http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fun ... ption/5270
First and second album is correct if listed as brutal death metal. But since third album music sounds like technical death metal to me.

Taken from first album 2002 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cHlL1uG9kzk
Taken from second album 2008 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgAZqJwVzI
Taken from third album 2013 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=psPlvHKmIgU
Preview latest album 2016 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7WzmUgoVaqw

Kudos to you, Helvede, for changing Chiva's genre to something reasonable. You're the man.

Another week has passed, so I revive this thread, as I've been suggested.

There was a response from Helvede, another mod, a few posts up