A couple years later, and I still think this should be considered. In fact, I actually think their more recent albums are considerably heavier, more aggressive, and more extreme than their earliest material as a sympho-black band. The only album that doesn't have some sort of presence of extreme metal is Oniriad.

The tag could be simplified to "Symphonic Black/Gothic Metal", and mention in the additional notes that on Oniriad, the band played plain gothic metal.

Here is a comparison of their albums.

Requesting that the genre of Evocation be changed to Death Metal / Melodic Death Metal (later).

Illusions of Grandeur is like a mix of later Hypocrisy, Amon Amarth and later At the Gates. It's very melody-driven, and I think the Death Metal genre tag isn't quite appropriate.

Diamhea asked that I post here, so that more mods can see it.

mkay

Hello, could the genre of Esperoza be changed?
'Gothic' term is misleading, as many bands within gothic metal genre and led by female vocalist strive for a more accessible sound/simpler song structures. The band itself identifies as "Symphonic Extreme Metal / Dark Metal". With the first album being closer to the "Symphonic Extreme" and second one closer to "Dark Metal"
https://esperoza.bandcamp.com/ - The featured track should have enough proof, that this isn't gothic metal.

Gothic metal encompasses all metal that uses elements from gothic music and does not carry an implication of female vocals (I don't think Peter Steele is that female...) or accessible/simple structures (ever heard Angizia?)

I didn't state state that gothic metal is only led by females.

I don't question that there can be complex gothic metal.
What I'm trying to say is that when most people see a gothic metal tag and a girl on vocals, they automatically think about... Within Temptation, Sirenia or whatever.
This lead to that people who like this genre turn away from this band. While those that may have digged the band, but for whatever reason have some prejudices against anything with "Gothic" word near it, will be looking the other way.

Or maybe they also think about Tiamat, Type O Negative and Cradle of Filth* ?

*Yeah, they got female vocals on some tunes but not on really that many.

Devastación is Death/Thrash Metal (kinda similar to Atomic Aggressor and Pentagram Chile)
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And your point is, sir? Have you listened to Esperoza at all? None of mentioned bands have similarities to it.

I wanted to highlight the fact that not everyone necessarily thinks of Within Temptation, Sirenia, Tristania and other such bands when they hear/see the label "gothic". Tiamat, Cradle and ToN are great gothic metal bands which share little with those above and are pretty much in their own league.

EDIT: To make it clearer, I did notice you said "most" people and not "everybody", but I don't think that's the case, either.

Can someone please change Face of Oblivions Genre to Brutal death metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raowNrIjeO8

Can someone please change Infected Disarrays Genre to Technical Brutal Death metal/grindcore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJDldgpWOCw

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Odious (Egypt)
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Odious/7642

They played melodic black metal in the past (& doom metal before that) but their latest album, Skin Age, is oriental/symphonic death metal through & through, as mentioned in the description on their MA band page.

Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqoywrr ... lPromotion

Edit it to something like "Genre: Melodic Black/Doom Metal (past), Oriental/Symphonic Death Metal (present)" or whatever else seems fitting.

The band Soren is listed as being "death/doom". There is not a hint of doom metal in this band at all.

https://sorenmetal.bandcamp.com/releases

Should probably be in the melodic death metal or death metal genre.

Edited, but to site standards.

Re: Esperoza, we are phasing out Dark Metal as it is a useless catch-all term for goth metal, black metal and death metal bands who want to be special snowflakes and be apart from their base scenes.

I"ll check the others later.

It's missing a comma, PDS.

It's 4:30 and I just watched a movie about a man who fights crime with crotch thrusts. Yes it is a Japanese movie. I deserve some slack.

I should probably stop doing edits in the hour of the tiger. But yeah, I will get to the other posts in waiting later today.

You mean you actually voluntarily watched that? Dude, that was rough. I don't think I'll ever feel the same about Baywatch again.
I thought it could be field limitation, considering the number of characters fitted into it.

It was more a Friend: Look at this trailer. Me: What am I watching? Friend: I have no idea, want to find the full movie? Me: Okay, yeah sure.

It was kind of funny in a ridiculous and 'I feel like a captive' sort of way. Though both of me and my friend wish we can turn back time.

Anyways,





Done.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ang ... xile/24176

I believe the genre needs to be updated to reflect that they played thrash on their first recording. Aside from our own additional notes, I could find:

*This recording of some long-dead radio show playing the lead track from the demo
*This (unflattering) review of the demo in Disposable Underground 'zine #9

Ok, let's forgo the "dark" tag. Can be "gothic" be removed?

This band needs some serious genre changes.In the notes it says that they have played death metal,death n roll, groove and thrash but the genre says death, groove and deathrock. doesnt make sense. Also "the first nine" and "godfallos" are both groove metal albums like early volbeat so the genre should be death metal(early), groove metal(later). there is no death n roll, no thrash and definitely no deathrock. have a listen...
Source/Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX7B9S7lOrY&t=788s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEVADDD ... 8&index=10

KARONTE
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Karonte/44466

They practique Death metal ... in the vein of Gorefest, Hypocrisy, Bolt Thrower.... they use some melodic guitar lines but they are not really Melodic death metal.

cheers!

Siniac from MACEDONIA (fyrom). Their demo and EP are symphonic BM, although not typical one, but the album can't be described as Symphonic Black Metal. Symphonic/Progressive Black Metal will fits better for this band, so change the genre to Symphonic/Progressive Black Metal.
SINIAC on METAL ARCHIVES:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Siniac/12530

SOUND:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6aJkxe6ifQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUVSWdo5NUY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eNAFP3bQv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF2JzlD-nE8

Since you guys wanna do away with "dark metal" - this band, currently dark/gothic metal:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Legenda/2148

Might as well be called black/gothic metal. Actually sounds a lot like old Countess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9khPAvv921c

Cross-posting from report queue, don't feel comfortable closing this without getting some input: http://www.metal-archives.com/report/vi ... 6/show/all

First wave black metal. Similar to early Kreator/Destruction.
Has some "blackened" NWOBHM-like moments, but also Slayer had them on the Show no Mercy album and was not called "heavy".
I like the "thrash" tag A LOT. It's totally accurate with their early phase.

EDIT: the band labels their early music as "Black/Thrash" too: BIO

EDIT#2: song-per-song analysis (my perception) of their early stuff:

The 7th Day of the Doom (Demo, 1987)

Tormentor = Black/Thrash/Speed
Branded with Satan = Black/Thrash
Infinite Darkness = Black/Thrash
Damned Grave = Black/Thrash/Speed
The Dance of the Swords = Speed Metal cover of a folk song i can´t remember.
Mephisto = Black/Thrash/Speed
Live In Damnation = Black Metal
The Seventh Day Of Doom = Black/Thrash

Anno Domini (Demo, 1989)

Tormentor = Black/Thrash
Heaven = Black/Thrash (early Bathory worship)
Elisabeth Bathory = Black Metal
Damned Grave = Black/Thrash
In Gate of Hell = Black/Thrash
Transylvania = Black/Thrash
Tormentor II = Black/Thrash
Trance = Black/Thrash
Beyond = Black Metal
Apocalypse = Black/Thrash
Lyssa = Black/Thrash/Speed
Anno Domini = Black/Thrash/Speed



Black/Thrash Metal (early), Experimental Rock (later) is my veredict.
Adding "speed" will not help in this case, as only few songs share similitudes to that genre.

(Sorry for the loOoOong post, I just think Tormentor is crucial in the development of second wave BM and deserved this.)

Anima Tempo is listed as a progressive metal band but it sounds more like a death/progressive metal band with djent elements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YERDXdyziuc

Bethlehem have, thankfully, gone back to playing black metal. I know that there tend to be a lot of genre reports for them, but this is an undeniable return to form.

https://undergroundmetalbands.blogspot. ... d.html?m=1

By Their Blood - Metalcore/Deathcore, it seems: http://soundcloud.com/user-470801325

Apocalyptica are a Symphonic Heavy Metal/Rock band (rock as in Symphonic Rock). There's a plethora of that genre in their music. Listed below are samples that prove my point. You should also check the singers that have been guests in their tracks (Ville Valo, Lacey Sturm, Corey Taylor, Linda Sundblad, Adam Gontier...), making (Symphonic) Rock's presence pretty dominant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdDkFx0_6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFZ9e4wx1H8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTzZ3KAxV1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPRsTrQA0cU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY2oTiSaB0M

Angels in Exile: Corrected
Anima Tempo: Current genre is OK. Prog tends to have a lot of elements in it.
Apocalyptica: Corrected
Bethlehem: Corrected (removed the early/later tags)
By Their Blood: Corrected, though this is borderline metalcore/hardcore.
Dominus: Corrected. I was really hoping for some deathrock, but it just sounds like Volbeat (shitty)
Karonte: The 2003 release is melodic death metal. The albums and demo have some melody, but they're not melodeath. Corrected.
Siniac: I'm a little uncertain, there's some melodeath and other stuff in here, but don't think the genre needs to be further complicated.
Tormentor: "Black Metal" is fine. It's pretty unambiguously black metal, no need to tack on additional genre tags.

Posting from the report queue;

Skyclad's music have plenty of Heavy Metal elements, so I'd suggest labeling them as Folk/Heavy Metal. Check attachments below;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OvatTZDd6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyzntZmkbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zExMZ4JRLiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UhRgWj5T6E

Well I'm not exactly the foremost expert on folk metal but if I'm not mistaken, Skyclad is usually considered to be the first folk metal band, no? Not necessarily the first to use folk elements/instruments, but the first to make that the core of their sound. Now I suppose the question is, since still nobody really sounds like them, do we say they simply laid the foundations and never fully "became" pure folk metal? Or do we say the genre as whole developed in a different direction? Personally, I simply say that "folk metal" describes many different sounds the same way "black metal" does.

HIHI, FOLK METAL MOD-SAMA DESU!

I'd say it depends. I don't have early Skyclad available atm. I only have Poverty Line, and Answer Machine? Onwards and, yeah lots of the riffs aren't really folk but Idk if I can really call them Heavy Metal riffs. Skyclad just sort of takes the gamut of genres to be influenced. Little bit of heavy, little bit of thrash, bits o' punk. I swear one song is more Beat Poetry ala Gill Scott-Harris with the guitars following the beat. Though some songs on the era I'm listening to is primarily folk integrated in the riffs.

Considering we do have early proto-black metal bands as like black/speed/something. I'm sort of fine with either option, but I don't think we can just label Skyclad as folk/heavy metal.

Once again, the idea of not overcomplicating things prevails. Just as Mayhem or Tormentor can simply be called "black metal" and Morbid Angel are labeled "death metal," you can simply label Skyclad as "folk metal" without adding further. Keep it simple, if possible.

Agreed with Zodi. No need to make it overcomplicated.

The other FOLK METAL MOD-SAMA DESU!

I agree with Zodi that there's no need to overcomplicate things. The goal of our genre descriptor is to be accurate while concise. The current genre is fine for Skyclad.

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Ahem, it's Hoka no Folk Metal Mod-Sama Desu. If you going to weeb, you gotta trash right.

I think Skyclads genre could be defined in 2 different era's though, theres the thrash influenced folky heavy metal of the first 5 albums, then with Irrational Anthems they became more of a pure folk rock/metal band, lost most of thrash influence and got a hell of a lot folkier

early: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvz8PcBf0gs
later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kigXJfNu_A