Touché.


Then I disagree with both of you .

Aren't these songs doomy enough to list doom in Cantrell's solo project page? Besides, the reviews for Degradation Trip here on M-A also mention the consistent doom vibe throughout the record. Regarding external sources, this column also points out that, "The songs range from doom metal to a more poppy hard rock and everything in between. "

Hello, this post is for Diamhea regarding Be'lakor's genre change from melodic death metal to either progressive/melodic death metal or progressive melodic death metal. Many apologies in advance for any possible horrible formatting as I am outside and using my phone to post this at the moment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YTUMo2h0y ... n-GB&gl=SG

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y8PE-wP0Dno

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yY625tkzs2E

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WpnGs11vf-0

Will four samples be adequate? This isn't an accurate indicator, but the song lengths are relatively long. Also there are constant mood changes and switches in time signature consistent with most music of a progressive nature, yet the melodic death element is clearly present.

doomster999: Yeah, should be fine. Changed.

Speaking as somebody who only listens to Be'lakor when I'm really in the mood (like once a year), I never really saw them as progressive. They're really just Insomnium with longer songs. That style is a different offshoot of the melodic death metal that most people imagine when they hear the genre name, but it's still quite literally melodic death metal.

A couple of years ago, I had submitted a report to change Imber Luminis to Black/Doom Metal, and it was closed. From what I've heard, the only release that could seriously be considered "Atmospheric Doom Metal" would be their EP, Same Old Sufferings, which admittedly sounds close to Shape of Despair.

However, their other releases lie a lot closer to the wimpier, more atmospheric kind of DSBM than Doom Metal. Both of their full-length albums are Atmospheric/DSBM based, with some downbeat doomier parts at times. Their other EPs are pretty raw and more strictly DSBM based as well.






My suggestion would be Atmospheric/Depressive Black Metal or, if Doom needs to be in the equation, Atmospheric Black/Doom Metal.

Not sure if I should post this here or just file a report but I'll leave it here. Someone put in the additional notes field that the band plays a different style of music. Should probably also tell the user how to go about handling/reporting in the future. http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Repulsed/86986

I agree. While some of the elements of progressive metal are present in their music, it's certainly melodic death metal, the musical style very similar to Insomnium, Omnium Gatherum, and Noumena. Insomnium have odd-timed/accented parts like the intro to "Mortal Share" and Dark Traquillity, especially on Damage Done, have a very attentive and skilled drummer as well as frequent changes in direction/mood, but those bands are very much archetypal of melodeath.

I'll leave Imber Luminus for someone else as it's a bit out of my interests.

What would this be??
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/5_Days_Bleeding/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBqW9u1bwOY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2y-chnHS2I
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm3PxBBTMxY [acoustic]

Pretty much exactly what the genre listed on the site says, it's just really shitty.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/5_Days_Bleeding/

Where can you find Melodic Death/Power in the tracks that are in their album?
here are the tracks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBqW9u1bwOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2y-chnHS2I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm3PxBBTMxY

We are putting more effort into dissecting this than the band did in creating it. Please accept the moderation's decision and stop being pedantic about band genres - you were already sent a site message about this. To answer your question, the band has a convoluted genre listing because the musicians themselves clearly had no idea what they were trying to do. Just a haphazard mix of influences played by individuals still learning their instruments.

I'm wondering how in the word "neoclassical" applies to Arditi. They have that tag further down the list on last.fm, too, and I just don't hear it. It's pure martial industrial/ambient.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=arditi


-edit- derpy typo

So, for some odd reason both Kataklysm and Loudblast are labeled here as melodeath (and in the case of the later as groove too!). A cleaner sound in a full-length indicates a band trying to survive in 2015. Nothing more, nothing less. This <<I'm not sure but let's label it with a generic melodeath characteristic>> attitude seems overwhelming here. Can a mod that is familiar with the aforementioned sound give it a look? Kinda pisses me to see my fave bands being forced into the huge pool that melodeath is. Whatever happened to death metal? JUST death metal? Die hard fan of said sound talking here. Peace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Yw1jYMptI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZLURycYYFg

Then I'm sure you know the difference between this...

... and this (which is taken from my answer to the report you filed):
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gawms8BM3o
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB1sE7N5XzE
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBFe2V0qd3Q
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYxAQzjTv4
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeXkiHCJ2fo

I'm bewildered as to why this has you so worked up. Saying a band is "melodic death" isn't the same as saying "they're wussy, they've gone mainstream, watered-down, limp-wristed mall-friendly entry-level crap!!!" Yet this is the vibe I'm getting from you. The fact is, Kataklysm have, in recent years, adopted a shift in musical sound that's, yes, approachable, but it's a different approach to their songwriting than their seminal works.

And this "A moderator disagrees with my opinion of a band's sound, they clearly know less than I do and have no idea what they're talking about!" is also overwhelming. Honestly dude, if I didn't know either genre well enough, I wouldn't be commenting.

Being aproachable doesn't inicate melo elements. They evolved? Of course. They changed genre? Of course not. Cleaner production, that's it. Carcass' Surgical steel for example.

:\... Eh... if you think of "Surgical Steel" as straight-up death metal, then I think you have a fairly different interpretation of death metal to the site, dude...

Also, indeed there's a swift in their songwriting. And? Whenever a band tries to evolve- we're in 2015, of course they won't be releasing albums like they did in the mid 90's- they are labeled as melodeath?

No, lol, I just mentioned a prime example of a clean production.

Alhadis, since you decided upon kataklysm can you check loudblast too?

I'm actually not familiar with Loudblast at all, so I'll leave it for a moderator who is to field your question.

Kk, thx

Ok, they're both closed.

Alhadis, I did check Kataklysm's latest full-length. Well, it's not death metal straight to the point, so I agree with you partially. However, it would only be ''Prevail'', ''Heaven's Venom'' and ''Waiting for the End'', that can be described as melo death (since we agree to call it that way). That means, that out of their 12 full-lengths only 3 can be described as... well, not pure death.

What I'm trying to say is this. Would you consider removing melodeath... for now? If ''Of ghosts and gods'', whenever it gets released, keeps up with that later element, then ''melo'' can be added as (later). 9 records are way to many to be overshadowed by just 3. Since then the description of the band would be rather accurate itself.

Would like to know your thoughts here.

PS: They have a bit of melody, sure, but still there's not enough of it to be labeled altogether as melo death.

I suppose that's a bit redundant for martial industrial anyway. Changed.

Drop it already, dude. I told you quite clearly in your original report that there's nothing to discuss here. Also, PMing moderators to reply to your forum post is another thing moderators aren't very fond of. When we tell you that a case is closed, we mean it's closed.

This won't exactly require reassessing any musical content, and I'm pretty sure many mods are more than familiar with the band. Would it be totally insane to give Stoner Metal precedence in Spiritual Beggars' genre description? I.e. Hard Rock, Stoner Metal/Rock --> Stoner Metal/Hard Rock.

Hmm, I assume that was intentional. A lot of their music is more on the rock side, not that it isn't metal.

I'm pretty familiar with their output up to and including Demons. They've become progressively less stoner rock-ish and more like straightforward stoner/heavy metal/hard rock, but keeping the rougher stoner rock implication should serve nicely as a way to summarise their whole career while avoiding cumbersome (early)/(now) constructions. Current tag seems fine.

It seems to me that the "alternative rock" part of Tau Cross's genre is a bit silly and misleading. It sounds not that far off from Sonic Mass, and I really think alternative rock just gives off the wrong idea. I think that just heavy metal/ crust punk is a good enough descriptor on its own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3V2Tx ... rWNOCCtn82

I disagree, the rock element is undeniable and heavy metal/crust just seems incomplete. We discussed this briefly before I added the band; it was either alternative rock or hard rock, and we settled on the former, since it's a tad more specific and the element is more like post-punk-ish 80's/90's rock than plain hard rock. Can't say this discussion is really over, though, it's certainly hard to pin down. Maybe simply "rock" and be done with it?

What a mix, eh?

Yeah, the rock element is definitely there (definitely goth rock/post-punk in the mix, too), but I really think the "alternative" tag really gives the wrong impression and associates them with a scene they have nothing whatsoever to do with. I'd agree that simply putting "rock" would be the best idea.

Switched it to "rock."

While it's nice to be more specific with non-metal genres, it's by no means a requirement... this being a metal encyclopedia.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dev ... 3540397829
Devilment. Listed on the site as "Symphonic Extreme Metal". The symphonic part seems right, but after listening to the album, this isn't extreme at all. It might be more Gothic or Groove (IDK what to call it), but calling it Extreme Metal just doesn't feel correct.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeZmQB ... 2Kw/videos
There's a bunch of songs from the album (this seems to be official?) if you want to run through them.

Thoughts on When Bitter Spring Sleeps?

They are listed as Black Metal/Ambient.

I've listened to most of their latest album and there is only clean vocals, however the music itself sounds like black metal through and through.

Does it need harsh vocals to be considered Black Metal?

Here's a couple of tracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlhaxemCvwY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D58WGJLPYVM

Thoughts?

I'm trying to cut back on my snarky posts. So I'll do a straight up answer. No, it doesn't need harsh vocals to be considered Black Metal. Metal is determined by the riffs, not the vocals.

So are you telling me that there's death metal bands with all clean vocals and Power metal with all harsh vocals?

Considering metal is determined by riffs and not vocals at all like you suggest.

Yes, that's what he is saying.

And you agree with that?