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Lord_Brendan
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:45 am 
 

Frankenbok is described as post-thrash/groove metal on here. Strange since they have definitely changed into that on mid/later stuff. Not sure if that would take into account the early stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTD2mddihGI The debut

compared to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfM1v8CiZ6M later stuff
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:09 pm 
 

Since all NSBM has been cleaned (NS tag removed), can I ask to remove also Oi! tag from these 15 bands?
http://www.metal-archives.com/search?se ... band_genre

Cockney Rejects and Mortal Kombat should left with Oi! tag, other ones should be changed to RAC since it is what they're playing. Oi! is a working-class punk rock and usually has nothing to do with NSBM and right-winged politics. Oi! tag with RAC tag together looks redundant (since RAC is basically Oi!/Motorhead/military music influenced punk rock) so it should be deleted too. Let's not confuse Oi! bands (like Angelic Upstarts, 4-Skins, The Business) with RAC bands (like Honor, Landser, Skrewdriver).

Thanks for keeping MA clean from confusing tags! :)

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:22 pm 
 

aeternus1990 wrote:
Since all NSBM has been cleaned (NS tag removed), can I ask to remove also Oi! tag from these 15 bands?
http://www.metal-archives.com/search?se ... band_genre

Cockney Rejects and Mortal Kombat should left with Oi! tag, other ones should be changed to RAC since it is what they're playing. Oi! is a working-class punk rock and usually has nothing to do with NSBM and right-winged politics. Oi! tag with RAC tag together looks redundant (since RAC is basically Oi!/Motorhead/military music influenced punk rock) so it should be deleted too. Let's not confuse Oi! bands (like Angelic Upstarts, 4-Skins, The Business) with RAC bands (like Honor, Landser, Skrewdriver).

Thanks for keeping MA clean from confusing tags! :)

This case is not really the same as with NSBM. You yourself say that RAC is Oi!-influenced, but among the bands labelled as RAC there are more aggressive-sounding, crossover or metal-influenced ones, and there are those that are closer to classical Oi!, and some bands may have the songs/albums of both kinds. So, in my opinion, it is ok to label this kind of bands "Oi!/RAC" as contrasted with, for example, "Thrash Metal/RAC" or "(NS) Black Metal/RAC". Thus, it is not proper to say "remove Oi! tag from all these 15 bands". If you think that some of these bands indeed have nothing to do with Oi! musically (as Oi! isn't strictly ideological genre), then they may be reconsidered on case-by-case basis. For example, it was I who put In Ketten's current genre as it was the best I could think up, and this project had nothing to do with RAC.

I kind of understand that you mean the difference of "scenes" as pure/classical Oi! was not NS-related, but one can't deny the RAC's musical roots in Oi! music and the aspects I've mentioned above. "RAC" on its own is quite a loose term while, on the other hand, it's much better defined "scene" than NSBM. We got rid of NSBM tag because most of those bands, musically, could be defined as either simply "Black Metal" or "Black Metal/RAC", and the borders between NSBM and non-NSBM are rather blurred and more often than not defined solely by the lyrical content.

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aeternus1990
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:52 am 
 

Hmm... Yes, RAC is often used to distinguish bands with lyrics about patriotism and national socialism from traditional Oi!/Punk skinhead bands. You are right, musically it can be anything from punk and folk rock to thrash/black metal-influenced hardcore. There is also a different term "rechtsrock" which is used to tagging German patriotic/political/ns bands as Landser. In the case of In Ketten, it's hard to describe what they are playing because their songs are mostly covers. I'm saying they are playing rechtsrock, they are basically Absurd minus black metal. Absurd is a black metal band with strong rechtsrock influence obviously. Musically, NSBM/patriotic BM bands are often influenced by Absurd and different RAC/rechtsrock bands.

For example, Gold für Eisen, Markland Folks and Octobre that have Oi! tag are mixing Black/Folk Metal with rechtsrock in their music and it sounds like Landser or Stahlgewitter are playing Black Metal. You can clearly spot it by listening random rechtsrock song on YouTube. Since rechtsrock bands' music is strongly rooted in Oi! it's OK to tag such bands as Oi! but then Oi!/RAC would be better. Oi! tag alone without RAC tag can be confusing because classic Oi! usually had nothing to do with left or right-winged politics.

So, Oi!/RAC/Black Metal would be better instead of just Oi!/Black Metal, I guess.
This is a tough case. Any other opinions on this?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:17 pm 
 

Arrow - they played heavy metal on both EPs, not speed metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Db1HmRRMYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-z3QUkBkrM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F54S_LTwhEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wxUjlJxSv0

Arkangel - should be Heavy/Power Metal (later), not Power/Speed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCNa4irlSTc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1nHoWsyTBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE95_HctH1g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3OgjCOu8M8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN8fZhRxPxo

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:23 pm 
 

Could Realized be changed to just "Grindcore"? Haven't heard their split records but considering their one full-length I hear minimal death metal.

Full album here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNNiwwcSFfI

Anyway, I know there's a Mod here who's specialized in grind, so if he could give some input it would be cool. And don't worry mate, Realized is good shit! ;)
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UnblackDeath77
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:24 pm 
 

I don't know if this the right forum, but I'm wondering if the moderators deem my band, High Class Goats, as "metal enough", for the archives. We currently have a professionally recorded EP on Reverbnation and have about 10 physical copies of the music on CD, but have yet to get jewel cases, booklets, etc...

www.reverbnation.com/highclassgoats

I personally believe our style varies between groove (in the veins of early Underoath), death metal (in the veins of some Suffocation and other old school death metal), and small elements of deathcore (the occasional breakdowns).

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:35 pm 
 

The evaluation you ask for is precisely what the band queue is for, so if you think the band is metal then compile all the necessary evidence and submit them for review. We don't "pre-evaluate" bands on the forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:45 pm 
 

I know changing genres isn't quite the priority in here (and that Realized one I pointed out above will need some listening time) but I think there's a band needing an obvious update. I'm talking about Phlebotomized.

Now, while the current genre tag perfectly describes the band's sound up to 1994, Skycontact is such a radical departure from the sound found on the debut/EP/demos that I think the genre tag should really reflect that. Skycontact is pretty much avant-prog with some death metal riffs here and there, but nothing close to their previous works. So, in my opinion the band could have either a "early/later" tag or just /progressive/ added to the current tag. Like this:

- Avant-garde Death/Doom Metal (early), Avant-garde Progressive Metal (later)
- Avant-garde Progressive/Death/Doom Metal

Despite the obvious progressive tendencies of the debut I think either one of those two should work well enough. They're surely more accurate than how it is now.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:32 am 
 

Alright, I would just like to ask why the hell Solution .45 is listed as "Melodic Groove Metal/Alternative Rock"? Sounds like pretty straight forward melodic death metal to me, I mean, they're pretty much a Scar Symmetry clone. What the hell is melodic groove metal anyway?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:52 pm 
 

Burnyoursins wrote:
What the hell is melodic groove metal anyway?


Something Zodi invented because he's insane (see: technical nu metal). :p
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:22 pm 
 

Burnyoursins wrote:
Sounds like pretty straight forward melodic death metal to me


This sounds like straight forward melodic death metal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnZ7pry3SZs

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:15 am 
 

Hi,
i'm listening Change To Insane of SteelReign, and i see in MA that SteelReign is a Power Metal band, but me this album is thrash metal, what's your opinion?

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/St ... sane/16192


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pPWMhZLLFY
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:07 am 
 

I will just quote what has been said on the report page of the site;
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Ok.I will ellaborate a bit more this time as far as the ''hardcore'' category goes.

Sepultura did INDEED use some kind of hardcore characteristics.That can be seen on few of their mid 90's,early 00's LPs (the same way they tried to add some characteristics of nu metal into their general element).

However,this changed dramatically ever since.They seem to have gone back to their thrash roots,plus keeping the groove element-this can be seen on the last 3 LPs they released (EPs included of this current period of time).

In order to have true information about this topic I'm opening I've asked a few people from the greek Metal Hammer HQ,where I'm currently working as interviewer-plus a few co-workers from the UK Hammer magazine that I'm good friends with.They all seem to agree about this band's direction.

TL-DR; What I am suggesting is this.Do NOT remove the ''hardcore'' status.Just add their time period.I mean,you can add that they used it in their middle times and that the late feeling is thrash/groove-that's why I have selected the *general update* and not the *wrong genre* category.



Plus,from user lemery;
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Well, in my honest opinion, Sepultura started off as a mainly thrash band with some tribal influences on their songs (in my ears they are mostly related with the drumming part). As the years went by, they started adding up more and more hardcore elements that made their music distantly related to Nu Metal. Considering the line up's messing up over the years different people with different influences and playstyles started writing music for Sepultura and that's the reasony why that happened. In the last albums, Sepultura have returned to their roots (bloody roots) and have made their music more thrasy again. Therefore, I personally believe that Sepultura should be considered more of a Thrash Metal band than a Hardcore one.

PS: I freaking hate that Metal genre discrimination that has created all those sub-genres, and I believe that it would be better if people would just use one word to cover a wide variety of music and in particular metal styles. However since this conversation is about metal sub-generes i had to use the "modern horology"


user ghaniotakis;
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The only Sepultura albums drifting away from their thrash elements are Against (1998) Nation (2001) and Roorback (2003) so if you do the math:
"number of thrash albums">"number of hardcore albums" so Sepultura is a thrash band encorporating hardcore elements from time to time :)


user metaltometal666;
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Cant anyone just change to Thrash/Death (Early), Hardcore/Groove (Mid), Thrash/Groove...PLEASE!!!

If this aint Thrash/Groove...then Elvis was not the king of rock!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mxDozu4uI8

From their latest record from 2013!!!

Someone change it!!! :)


user pam simson;
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2 days ago I message'd via FB Sepultura's official fb page.
I asked them what I came here to state.

The reply is as forward:
<<Hey there.We have,indeed,gone back to a more thrashy sound,which can be heard clearly in our latest 4-5 albums,the biggest proof being ''The Mediator...''.Yes,we had some hardcore-ish stuff going on in the past,but this has been reduced greatly if not nullified.Hope you enjoy our later sound just as much as we do.Creativity is something unending and our sound will keep growing,like we do.>>

This is the biggest proof I have to offer.


user axioss;
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Oooooook guys... Metal Hammer UK sucks. Metal Hammer Greece sucks too. Why don't you all open a new magazine since you know what's the "right". All of you callyourselfs metalheads. In music, especially in rock/metal, you CAN NOT (!!!) name a genre of band exactly as it is. The style is changing ALL THE TIME! OF COURSE you're gonna name an album with a specific genre! Let me give an e.g. SCORPIONS. They are named as a hard rock band. Now, go hear Eye II eye, Sting in the tail and Blackout albums! Will you name them ALL hard rock?? NO! That's because Eye II eye has techno influences and Sting in the tail has Heavy metal! But the band is HARD ROCK! So, you name a band as something and then the albums as something different! Sepultura now, are also named by some as HEAVY METAL! You know why?? That's because they don't have ONE style in their music! The band was a major force in the death metal and thrash metal genres during the late 1980s and early 1990s. Their later experiments drawing influence from nu metal,[4] hardcore punk and industrial metal (In late 90s early 00s).
MTV (yes I know, MTV sucks like the Metal Hammers), has called Sepultura the most successful Brazilian heavy metal band in history and "perhaps the most important HEAVY METAL band of the '90s" You saw that?!?!?! HEAVY METAL!!
Sepultura's music has been described as death metal, thrash metal, alternative metal, black metal, speed metal and doom metal. The group have been credited also by some and praised by others for setting the blueprints for metalcore and nu metal.
As it happens and I'm an interviewer too I can tell you that for sure. And because you do like bieber fans (metal hammer sucks, I know everything etc.), sepultura's drummer, Eloy Casagrande, is friend with the guy who has the site I work, sepultura now play PURE thrash F.. metal!! So just name the albums which is the RIGHT way to name a band as one kind of metal by the period the album is released. So I don't know why you're doing like girls or who the hell Theodorule is, but his right.. Sepultura this PERIOD are thrash metal


and,finally,user extremeaggressor;
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The later sound of Sepultura carried on from where Chaos AD and Roots stopped. A bit more hardcore in the vocals of Derrick Green but that's not enough to categorize them as Groove/Hardcore. It's mostly Groove/Thrash. Just listen to Kairos, A-Lex :)


What we all claim is really simple.Put sepultura's genre like this; Death/thrash(early),Groove/Hardcore(middle),Groove/Thrash(later)

Sources?Well..all the above,various webzines(rockoverdose.com,rockhard.com,etc)metal hammer,Sepultura's official website and fb page,wikipedia

And some songs to support my aforementioned points;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udi98XfnQMc (another thrash influenced)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk2dSSmWn1M (groovy with THRASH elements)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-3T_FiwDw (even more groovy,still thrashy background)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXn3FeNXwnc (groove/thrash)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qot3nJI2hLU (mid-tempo thrash)


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ExtremeAggressor
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:10 am 
 

Hello people. I just wanted to address the issue of Sepultura being incorrect in terms of genres.

The later sound of Sepultura carried on from where Chaos AD and Roots stopped. A bit more hardcore in the vocals of Derrick Green but that's not enough to categorize them as Groove/Hardcore. It's mostly Groove/Thrash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepultura#Musical_style

"Started out as death/thrash metal (1984-1991), then groove/thrash metal (1993-1996), thereafter groove/alternative/nu-metal (1996-1997), and then groove/hardcore (1997-2006). Recent albums show a stronger thrash metal influence again (2009-now).", "Death/Thrash Metal (early), Groove/Hardcore (later)" quoting the metal-archives profile. Given that, it would be great to do it this way:

Death/Thrash Metal (early), Groove/Hardcore (middle), Groove/Thrash metal (later)

Tell me what you think of that change :)

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lemery
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:39 am 
 

Ι think that Sepultura should be considered a death/thrash metal band despite all the nu metal, hardcore and industrial influences they had. Their groove element can be heard in the latest albums, however it's not what they should be discriminated for. Truth to be told all the groovy style was added after the Cavalera era with the arrival of Derrick Green. Although this is true, the amount of albums they have can obviously help us out with choosing in which metal genre they should be sorted in. That is no other than Thrash and Death metal in the beginning and Thrash metal with some groove elements nowadays.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:15 am 
 

Nice sockpuppetry there, nimrod. The genre change may be a reasonable request, I don't know, not familiar with newer Sepultura, though I'll look into it (note that the add. notes already go into more detail regarding the genre, though). In any event, you managed to get your accounts banned with all these nauseating, obnoxious reports full of agreeing with yourself, and now also posting here. Well done. :nono:
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I disagree with how this site categorizes much of the bands here. Pots and Pans might usually be used to make Main Course Foods, Mixers and Molds might be usually used to make Desserts. But it wouldn't make sense to categorize foods based on which tools were used to make them. Hawaiian Pizza's aren't considered Dessert, Chocolate Pretzels aren't considered Main Course.

Technicality doesn't make Death Metal Technical Death Metal. Melody doesn't make Death Metal Melodic Death Metal. Thrash in Death Metal doesn't make Death Metal Death/Thrash... etc.

Something can be twice as technical as something else, and I might consider the first thing Death Metal and that something else Technical Death Metal.

It's important to look at context, and how certain elements affect the whole. Why does it matter that something is harder to play? Did the technicality radically change the music into something else? If not, what sense does it make to put it under another tag? That only indicates a shallow understanding of the music. The same logic applies to any other variation of this.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:21 pm 
 

Nebster173 wrote:
Technicality doesn't make Death Metal Technical Death Metal.

And sugar doesn't make things sweeter! Sorry, but I had to...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:35 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
Nebster173 wrote:
Technicality doesn't make Death Metal Technical Death Metal.

And sugar doesn't make things sweeter! Sorry, but I had to...


Except that "Technical Death Metal" refers to a kind of music, not whether Death Metal was technical.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:32 pm 
 

You do realize that "technical", "melodic", "progressive" and so on are adjectives that categorize a certain musical style, using the properties of the adjective to do so. You know that don't you?! So if a death metal band just so happens to have its focus mainly on using melody as the main motif the adjective "melodic" is used to further specifically categorize what kind of death metal they play. In all seriousness, this is pretty basic in the way it's applied, and I have no idea what you're on about. If a band has its main emphasis on constantly showing their highly intricate playing chops, i.e. their technique in playing, why wouldn't the genre they play be used with the proper adjective to quantify it (i.e. "technical")? Be it death, black or whatever other genre.

This isn't rocket science dude, it's a simple use of adjectives. But ignore my rant, I'm just a regular Joe.
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androdion wrote:
You do realize that "technical", "melodic", "progressive" and so on are adjectives that categorize a certain musical style, using the properties of the adjective to do so. You know that don't you?!


Genre tags wouldn't be useful if used in the way you're describing. So what if band X and band Y are melodic or technical, why would that make them similar? Band X's music is very hard to play, and so is band Y's music. That tells you nothing important.

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So if a death metal band just so happens to have its focus mainly on using melody as the main motif the adjective "melodic" is used to further specifically categorize what kind of death metal they play.


How would a band focus on melody? "We're going to use frying pans to make our ice cream".


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This isn't rocket science dude, it's a simple use of adjectives.


It not being made into rocket science wouldn't have necessitated this discussion.

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Nebster173 wrote:
How would a band focus on melody? "We're going to use frying pans to make our ice cream".


If this thread weren't a sticky, this would warrant a locking, I'd wager. Please continue this train of thought/forum-assisted crack binge elsewhere. Or don't!
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I'm out guys, sorry for my part in this derailing.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:51 am 
 

Alright guys,it happens to be a huge sepultura fan myself.I have seen the points of the guys,quite frankly.They have gone back to their THRASH roots for 6-7 years now,you can't ignore that fact,nor bann people because they have a different opinion than yours (which is not complete,since you ain't familiar with their new stuff).Besides,they're not asking something extreme!Just add at the GENRE that hardcore/groove was in (middle) and thrash/groove (later).You have written on notes that tthey ''have a thrash influence again''(which is not just an influence,it's what they PLAY),then why not add it beside the genre too?you're arguing with yourself,in case you haven't realised yet.You want this site to be informative?MAKE IT.Don't just enclose yourself to what you only believe.Those were my 2 cents spent.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:15 am 
 

Nobody was banned because of a difference of opinion, but nice try misconstruing my post. He/she (or they, but I still doubt there was a different person behind every account involved in the "discussion") were banned because they registered multiple accounts to force/influence a change/issue, pretending to be different people. This is what's commonly called sock puppets online and is a bannable offense if used for underhanded crap like this. From the looks of it you're yet another account too...

A couple of moderators who are more familiar with the band agree with the current tag, by the way. Perhaps it's the notes that need adjusting, but as you observed they talk about a mere thrash influence. The genre field should always be viewed as a broad overview of the band's style.
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The Visitor reports pertaining to this just keep coming...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:33 pm 
 

Hey. I'm a co-worker of Theodorule and I was asked over a month ago what I thought of Sepultura. Needless to say I love the band, however I did some extra research of my own. Usually, I'm the kind of person who, in fact, disagrees with Theodorule. However, this time he is indeed right. He is presenting you facts, along with all the other guys here, that you seem to ignore. Moreover, take a look at the report history page of Sepultura. Half of these reports have to do with the genre. It is obvious that something is wrong there. And that is simple. YES, Sepultura used hardcore style music, but that was till early 00's. They are an active thrash/groove band for a really long time now. And yes, I support the aforementioned suggestion of keeping hardcore at middle and the latter two at later. This way we can all be happy, informative to people who use this site to learn a few more things and this can be, finally, put in rest - I'm tired of him moaning about it!
PS: Besides, at the additional notes you claim they have a stronger thrash influence again. Then why, oh why, don't you add it next to the genre too, doing as we all suggested? That's contradicting lol.

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:45 pm 
 

alexandradc wrote:
I'm a co-worker of Theodorule

Theodorule is so passionate about making this change that he actually thinks it's believable for someone to contact their co-worker to ask them to file a complaint on a heavy metal website about a genre tag. Jesus Christ, man, go outside.
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Smoking_Gnu
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:53 pm 
 

You'd be surprised, man. When I want help arguing my point on the internet, the first people I go to are my coworkers. Especially when I walk in on them in the middle of a meeting; they really appreciate the change in topic from quarterly reports and finances and all that jazz.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:32 am 
 

I've added thrash to Sepultura's genre after listening to the newest album. Hopefully we can now all sleep easy again.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:06 am 
 

Somewhere, within the last hour or so: The dogs are called off.

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Metalsoulkritikos
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:03 pm 
 

Hey Azmodes,it's theodorule with my new account (And this is the only time I make a second account here fyi).
Thanks for taking notice (at long last) of my points.

You said you heard the last album,right?
Do you find any hardcore stuff there?Asking,because I can easily see and hear groove and thrash stuff,but deffinately not hardcore,not at the last 4 albums of Sepultura or so (especially the last 2).

Want your opinion on that.Thanks.

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Metalsoulkritikos
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:34 pm 
 

Sorry forgot the links;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZnnU-r5-gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZGVQqscAJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHWVlQ1HsN8

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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:35 pm 
 

If you want him to contact you, you'll need to provide us with your address at your new location in Bansville.

That's fancy talk for "go away, stop making accounts."
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athtsi
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:12 pm 
 

Can't the admins just change the genre accordingly to early/middle/later? I mean, it's understandable that hardcore elements WERE found in some of the band's albums, but they themselves admitted they have returned to their thrash sound, you have all these people here stating facts as to why they should be labelled as such and you can't simply update the genre? Oh, come on!

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:20 pm 
 

Drop it.

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:56 pm 
 

This is the most fervent campaign for a pointless change I've seen on the Metal Archives since that one guy who was mad that his band page's URL featured a 9.
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Aeosphorus wrote:
there are post-black metal bands such as ...Sunn O.

When did we start calling Sunn O))) black metal and how soon can we stop?

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Gengyss
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:39 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Chi ... f_Bodom/22

Children of Bodom...
Ok, Think what you want about 'em, I don't like 'em since a lot of yeras but... I don't think they make some Power Metal :)

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