Can the mods fix this?? It is in regard to the Hungarian black metal band, they are named Tymah not Tuman.

The band's name is written in cyrillic. It looks like Tymah, but their name is actually Tuman which means "fog".

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=99308
It definitely looks like cyrillic.

Biography Tymah

During my endless, lonely journeys into the unknown bogs of myself, Tymah appeared from the depths, from the dark forest of the evil. Stepping on the path of darkness and death, in 2003 a demo, "The Beginning of the End" was born with the help of Shadow. Then I had found another true guy, who became the drummer, and after I had wandered through Transylvania's evil forests, in 2004 the three of us recorded the "Funeral Fog" demo, which was born by the help of Transylvanian's dark power and was dedicated to Dead.

My way leads me even deeper, even closer to myself... Twilight. The dusk emracing the pinetrees is getting even thicker... The valley is silent. Darkness seems to be growing from the ground... it penetrates the whole wooded landscape... Fog is creeping down from the mountains, it is falling on the silent valley like a cloak... There is no sound to be heard... There is no light to be alive... The secrets of the fog are penetrating the earth, and appear as dreams... My dreams are the darkness of Transylvania, the power of storms, the silent call of pineforests, the mystery of the twilight's mist, the dreams of the fog...


That's from their label. What language do you say Tuman is from?

I will contact No Colours and the band to see if this is true.

Nice that you bring this band up, I was also wondering how they are spelled right. they play good music.

if you look on this picture:

it looks rather like Tymah and the band is listed as Tymah at No Colours and not as Tuman.

Yes it looks written as Tymah on those pics. I have just e-mailed no-colours. I think they only speak German though...dammit!

Their myspace is also Tymah.

http://www.myspace.com/tymahbm

No colours is around in the BM scene for a good time. They speak English, but I doubt that they really care on if the band is listed here as Tuman or Tymah... rather trivials in their eyes.

Well they would potentially lose record sales if one of the bands on their roster has their name advertised incorrectly. I don't care that much, it's just annoying.

You overestimate the whole issue... the latter part of your arguments rather hits the spot.
This question should be settled, though.
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See also the spelling here:
http://turanian-honour.extra.hu/assaults.htm
(again Tymah)

köd is fog in Hungarian. I think that guy is full of shit.

Did I see it right, have you actually insulted a mod (me), who tried to explain the situation to you, using what was written on the page and his knowledge of cyrillic alphabet in an unpersonal manner??

If yes, I demand a public apology, here and now.

you better stop your pointless insults or your 'existence' here on the board will be a rather short one. Mistakes are made and should be corrected... but all this should be reached in a proper way.

You're not very bright, are you?

It was not an insult, I was questioning the validity of your statement. As you are probably aware, on the internet people will post and have no idea what they are talking about. You say it is cyrillic, if this is true, then what language are you referencing it's derivation?

By saying I am full of shit - you do not find it insulting???
Here, read this, please:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/rules.php

Your common sense should tell you, that this is not the appropriate way of conduct in a civilised discussion.

Most probably Russian alphabet.
It says nothing about from which language the world is.

You can transcribe even English words using "azbuka".

The note on the page is not from me, but the band is listed so already for ages, with Tyman in "also known as" field.

Only the band members or their label could give a definitive answer about that.

I have now also checked an interview which is linked from their page here. At the end they have a contact for the band.

Contact: [email protected]

Now this was not setup by no colours as it's a Hungarian domain. This would lead me to believe that one of the members of the band has created it, of course I could be wrong.

Link- http://www.geocities.com/mirgilussiculo ... tymah.html

All I can say is it was not an insult. The wording was harsh, that's all. Where did you read that Tuman means fog?

Only on the page here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=23690
The band's name is written in cyrillic. It looks like Tymah, but their name is actually Tuman which means "fog".

It does not say, in which language, though.

Ok I got back a reply from their label.

Do you know if this is the actual name of this band? They are listed in some sites as Tuman, which supposedly means fog. I don't know if this is true. Anyway please let me know.

thats the speakingway of the band



No Colours Records

Postfach 1119

04767 Mügeln Germany

www.no-colours-records.de

http://shop.no-colours-records.de

E -Mail: [email protected]

O.k., that will be the best.

http://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%82%D1 ... 0%B0%D0%BD
You can see here at the Polish dictionary, that Tuman means "fog" in Russian. There are even pictures...
Here a Russian wiki:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1% ... 0%B0%D0%BD

I wrote them a mail via MySpace. I hope they will reply and that the topic will finally be settled.

So then it is written Tymah and pronounced Tuman. Thanks for those links.

Diarrhea_Face
Man, you're from US?
Look, there's the problem with transcribing of that name. In Russian TUMAN (transliteration of Russian word) (you can read it as "tu-mǽn") means "fog" and it looks like TYMAH for you. Sure, you read it as "tymah" but it's "tuman"

Somebody who has their CDs shall check texts in booklet to be sure about the name. Maybe band members know about some ancien evil Hungarian god "TYMAH"

Yeah I didn't ask to be born here.

I have their albums and is the same, all are written Tymah.

it's not written Tymah. 'T', 'y', 'm', 'a' and 'h' do not belong to the Cyrillic alphabet. It's written with Cyrillic letters whose format closely resemble that of those Latin characters.

Sorta like the letter 'O' looks like a zero, yet ultimately is not the same thing.

Then by your explanation it can't be written Tuman either. Did you check the links? It looks rather clear that it is Tymah.

Here's another link for a Russian translation site.

http://www.rustran.com/promt.php4?statu ... source=fog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_alphabet

Tuman is the romanized transliteration, which is the closest to the real thing we can get.

Those liks you provided only further corroborate my point. See on the wiki page how the letters that look like 'y' and 'H' are equivalent to our 'u' and 'n', respectively.

From what the guy at no colours responded with it appears that it is only pronounced Tuman. Everything I have been able to find on the band is Tymah. Why do you say it is cyrillic, have you read this from any official sources? All evidence points to it being Tymah. The only way one could consider it to be Tuman is from the sentence long bit of info posted by(?)to their page on this site.

Diarrhea_Face
And what you see when you traslate "fog"?

Just try to understand that there's MORE than one alphabet, here, on the Earth. And when you see similar letters it isn't mean that it's an English alphabet (bingo!). There's some other countries (outside of US) and some other languages (not only American English).

Believe me, I'm Russian native speaker. If you read it as RUSSIAN word - it means "FOG" in Russian. If you read it as word using Latin alphabet you will get some abracadabra or the name of unknown Hungarian pagan god - tymah (joke).

The second, there's another problem. Hungarian language uses LATIN Alphabet (with national signs) and there's the problem to properly use of hungarian national characters and cyrillic characters together (yeah, say hello to Billy Gates and tons of codepages). And the band uses theirs transliterated name to avoid problems with codepages. And we have more and more complex problem.

And the last: I think you know the trademark PUMA. If you read STYLIZED letters of logo in Russian you will get female name RITA (transliterated), because some letters have similar way of writing, but they are ABSOLUTELY diffirent!

Tymah



Really? Well maybe in another life I'll be raised in Eastern Europe and able to grasp such difficult concepts as this.

Diarrhea_Face
Really? Well maybe in another life I'll be raised in Eastern Europe and able to grasp such difficult concepts as this.
Maybe, but I'm not sure after reading your posts.

Tymah
It's a lie, man. You see something like TyMaH and the last letter isn't small "h" and second one isn't latin letter "y"

I write you in Russian with small and capitalized letters the same word:
туман
ТУМАН
(use Windows 1251 codepage to see right characters)

http://www.rustran.com/promt.php4?statu ... source=fog

Even more a reason they should be listed as Tymah.

NO! They shouldn't be listed as "Tymah"...that isn't their name, their name is "Tuman". That is how you pronounce it...I can't be putting Korean band names here, so I just sound them out into latin characters. It doesn't make sense...but that is how it must be, because that is the name.

Take the band "Samchung" for instance, their name is really 삼청, which has a difficult translation into English. You would need to know some history and culture of Korea to understand it's meaning. Therefore we just list it as "Samchung" (they chose this particular Romanization of Korean as opposed to "Samcheong", which is another way of spelling it) because tards like you will cause trouble like this.

If it is pronounced "Tuman", then that is how it should be listed. You do not pronounce it "Tyman".

Don't go fucking around with other peoples' languages...you don't know what you're doing. Shut up, and leave this be.

Terrible logic. You pronouce the word "Knife" as NIF, seeing as how the K and e are silent, should it be written that way? Stupid.

I don't pronounce it "nif"...I pronounce it Nah-eef.

What I was getting at though, is that despite what it may look like in Latin letter, it is still said "Tuman", and that is still the name.

Most of the bands we have listed in Cryllic are either translated, or listed by their pronounciation...why would this case be any different?

Indeed , the Y and H is the cyrillic U and N. So it is written as "Tuman" and read as Tuman. No Russian would see Tymah in it. It is how the U and N is written in Russian

Please, is it so hard to respect different languages and different cultures and not try to impose the English based logic and rules on them.


http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=3600
You can see the real Russian "Y" and the already mentioned Russian "N" which looks like Latin "H" in the name of this band.

Witcher
You ask it from me? I know how it should be written in Russian (because it's my native language) and how it should be transliterated.

And it should be - TUMAN by Latin letters

Yes, I wanted confirmation from you, since for some English speaking users seems something like that hard to understand.
Thanks.
Do not ask me why...