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droneriot
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:09 pm 
 

Given that Kanwulf's official dates of formation - either 1989 or 1991, he can't really decide, apparently - are quite certainly a lie, should the year of creation for Nargaroth perhaps be changed to "unknown" until there is reliable information? Also, something might have to be done about the first two demos, which cannot have been released the time Kanwulf claims to have released them. Maybe they should be moved to the additional notes until their real release date can be determined.

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:32 pm 
 

Just leave it the way it is. If you can find interviews in which he contradicts himself, post the link in the additional notes. If you have some other information, write it there.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:34 pm 
 

Evenfiel wrote:
Just leave it the way it is. If you can find interviews in which he contradicts himself, post the link in the additional notes.

It's already proven that his dates are false.


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The alias “Kanwulf” descends from the Franco-Canadian Fantasy TV series Highlander, in which it denotes an “immortal” Viking warrior. (The name “Nargaroth” descends from the table-top Fantasy game Warhammer, by the way.) This character, impersonated by Carsten Norgaard, first appeared in the fourth season of the series, which, according to the Internet Movie Database, was first aired in autumn 1995 (Canada) or summer 1996 (Germany), respectively. A little bewildering in this context is the fact that the name “Kanwulf” already appeared on the “original” Orke and Herbstleyd demos (see: “’91” Orke demo, “’93” Herbstleyd demo), which, according to Kanwulf, were released a whole two or four years before the series was first aired. (Or rather three or five years, considering that Kanwulf was very unlikely known to the series before it was aired in Germany.)
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Mutalitia
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:40 am 
 

Yeah, I've always thought there was something a bit fishy about Nargaroth and this site http://nargaroth.shaddai.name/en/ basically confirmed that. I mean seriously, a 14 year old German kid starting a black metal band and recording a demo? Maybe nowadays, but certainly not in 1989 before the internet and before that scene had even left Norway. Usually the year of creation and stuff is not a big deal, but this guy is trying to pass himself off as a pioneer in a scene when in fact he is not. Also, what the fuck is up with the "album art" of the first demo:

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Come on. Did he fucking light the thing on fire and then bury it? What a weirdo.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:06 am 
 

I would say it's correct to label it as unknown, while retaining the comments about it in the notes. There's enough doubt that the date isn't valid, leaving it as undetermined should be a reasonable compromise. As for the demos, they could be labeled the same date as the first album. Atleast at that point we have a certain time that Nargaroth actually was flourishing then, without having to rely on hazy and contradictory dates. It is too bad that you can't make the dates something like "199?", though.

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christkiller
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:08 am 
 

Mutalitia wrote:
Yeah, I've always thought there was something a bit fishy about Nargaroth and this site http://nargaroth.shaddai.name/en/ basically confirmed that. I mean seriously, a 14 year old German kid starting a black metal band and recording a demo? Maybe nowadays, but certainly not in 1989 before the internet and before that scene had even left Norway. Usually the year of creation and stuff is not a big deal, but this guy is trying to pass himself off as a pioneer in a scene when in fact he is not. Also, what the fuck is up with the "album art" of the first demo:

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Come on. Did he fucking light the thing on fire and then bury it? What a weirdo.


it is also said that he killed another guy at a gig at the age of 17 approx.

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Gorgo
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:41 am 
 

Mutalitia wrote:
Yeah, I've always thought there was something a bit fishy about Nargaroth and this site http://nargaroth.shaddai.name/en/ basically confirmed that. I mean seriously, a 14 year old German kid starting a black metal band and recording a demo? Maybe nowadays, but certainly not in 1989 before the internet and before that scene had even left Norway. Usually the year of creation and stuff is not a big deal, but this guy is trying to pass himself off as a pioneer in a scene when in fact he is not. Also, what the fuck is up with the "album art" of the first demo:

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Come on. Did he fucking light the thing on fire and then bury it? What a weirdo.


Well, if you look at the artwork, I would say a 14 year old kid did it, you know how messy kids can be with stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:36 pm 
 

Well, I have information on when this stuff was recorded, but there's no real "release dates" to derive from this, I think both "early" demos were issued around the same time as the Amarok CD/LP.
The drum-computer recordings (Herbstleyd demo + related stuff resp. half of Amarok CD/LP) have at least really been recorded before the Herbstleyd album, must have been 1997 or early 1998. Mainly created by that Charoon guy and Kanwulf only added vocals.
The recordings with a session drummer (Orke instrumental demo + other half of Amarok CD/LP) have been recorded during 1999, so actually after the debut album which was recorded also with drum-computer programmed by Charoon in 1998.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:15 pm 
 

Malfunction wrote:
Well, I have information on when this stuff was recorded, but there's no real "release dates" to derive from this, I think both "early" demos were issued around the same time as the Amarok CD/LP.
The drum-computer recordings (Herbstleyd demo + related stuff resp. half of Amarok CD/LP) have at least really been recorded before the Herbstleyd album, must have been 1997 or early 1998. Mainly created by that Charoon guy and Kanwulf only added vocals.
The recordings with a session drummer (Orke instrumental demo + other half of Amarok CD/LP) have been recorded during 1999, so actually after the debut album which was recorded also with drum-computer programmed by Charoon in 1998.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:55 pm 
 

I agree with droneriot to put at least unknown
I was a tapetrader in late 80's/early 90's (still got tons of tradelists in my closet) and I've never ever seen a nargaroth demo on any list
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christkiller
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:59 pm 
 

Uncolored wrote:
I agree with droneriot to put at least unknown
I was a tapetrader in late 80's/early 90's (still got tons of tradelists in my closet) and I've never ever seen a nargaroth demo on any list


its because you're just a poser :P

hahaha (joke of course)

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:34 pm 
 

christkiller wrote:
its because you're just a poser :P

hahaha (joke of course)


if non-poser means be a nargaroth fan...I'm proud to be a poser :lol:
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parasite_lost
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:59 pm 
 

The fact that after BMIK he was ever taken seriously by the majority is pretty unbelievable but he's actually become one of the most respected bands in the BM scene.

A brief summary of the real nargaroth story (for lack of a better description) should be posted in the additional notes.

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:56 pm 
 

I've modified the additional notes, changed the formation date to unknown and the release dates to '98. Maybe those dates are wrong, but they are probably closer to the truth.

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christkiller
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:39 am 
 

I'll use this thread to put this

I know from very good sources that the band "Rebirth of Nefast" is NOT from Germany

But apparently the band do not want to disclose their real origin.

Shall i put a note ? "The true origin of the band IS NOT Germany"

If someone has more info, feel free to put the real country of this band

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