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droneriot
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:12 am 
 

Seeing the ongoing flood of mostly Greeks and Spanish/Portuguese speakers being just too incompetent to read the rules and FAQ, would it maybe be a good idea to include (at least short versions containing the most necessary informations) versions of these in the language of countries whose users most frequently appear asking stupid questions?

And if people can't understand the site itself, maybe it should include a link to the Google language tool that translates whole websites. I just tried it for German, and while the syntax is (as usual) horrendous, at least the translations make sense.

Link.
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oneyoudontknow
Cum insantientibus furere necesse est.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:36 am 
 

Hellblazer wrote:
24. April 2007

Antriebskräfte (bekanntgegeben bei 14:27)

Bildantriebskräfte sind zurück, wie du beachtet haben konntest.

priceless. :lol:
But why not translate it "by hand". There should be enough competent native speakers who would be able to translate the texts. These auto-translations are neat, but you loose a lot of information this way.
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swineeyedlamb
Boiling in the Hourglass

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:51 am 
 

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BlackFlag
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Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:30 pm
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:26 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Seeing the ongoing flood of mostly Greeks and Spanish/Portuguese speakers being just too incompetent to read the rules and FAQ...


Wow, thanks.


I'm able to do a complete translation to Spanish if need be.

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swineeyedlamb
Boiling in the Hourglass

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:10 pm 
 

BlackFlag wrote:
droneriot wrote:
Seeing the ongoing flood of mostly Greeks and Spanish/Portuguese speakers being just too incompetent to read the rules and FAQ...


Wow, thanks.


Unfortunately competence in English is more or less requisite in any global-international context; and proportionally there are huge numbers of Latin American metalheads who have no or an extremely tenuous capacity with the language. All things considered it would make sense for the site to have bi- or perhaps tri-lingual functionality. Unfair, but it reflects the gadawful education systems of most South American countries (Mexicans tend to have better English) along with the massive number of Latin metalheads.

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Evenfiel
Heavy Metal Hunter

Joined: Tue May 27, 2003 9:50 am
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Location: Brazil
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:36 pm 
 

By the way, according to Alexa, most MA users come from Brazil:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traff ... chives.com

If you sum the amount of visitors from the Spanish speaking countries from South America, it's more than 20%.

Anyway, I don't think it's a bad idea to have a faq in other languages.

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swineeyedlamb
Boiling in the Hourglass

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:07 pm 
 

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:18 pm 
 

swineeyedlamb wrote:
Is there any way to staticise the user updates coming from various countries? It could give us an idea of which countries are most contributing to the site, as well as using it.

I don't think so. Also, not everyone fills the country field. You don't.

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tethys
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Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:27 pm
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Location: Mongolia
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:27 pm 
 

swineeyedlamb wrote:
It's truly nuts that Croatia and Slovakia beat out the States. Canada didn't even make the list. For shame...



Does that site go by what country the user chooses, or by IP address. Because I'm willing to bet most people from Antartica and (insert random third world backwards country) are really American. For some reason, it seems mostly Americans would find this funny. I certainly do.

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:40 pm 
 

Obviously, it's by IP address.

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:14 pm 
 

It's mostly not a language comprehension issue, but rather laziness and lack of concern for doing things correctly. Newbies ask everyday in the forums how to edit a band's line-up or stuff like that, and that's including people from America and UK.

I'd volunteer to translate the guidelines, but can someone without a minimal grasp of English actually be a valid contributor? I mean, when he's submitting a band, does he know what "current/last lineup" and "Past members" are supposed to mean?

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 1:11 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... 86&start=0

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Malfunction
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:09 am 
 

Wouldn't availability of rules in all those languages appear like an invitation to flood the site with additional notes and stuff in Spanish...?

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oneyoudontknow
Cum insantientibus furere necesse est.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:27 am 
 

Malfunction wrote:
Wouldn't availability of rules in all those languages appear like an invitation to flood the site with additional notes and stuff in Spanish...?

The argument that I used in a previous thread was that if more than one language is supported here, there might be more users from other countries complaining about the missing translations in their native languages.
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swineeyedlamb
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:22 pm 
 

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:41 pm 
 

swineeyedlamb wrote:
Yeah, but I was thinking of something that uses IP address.

I'm not sure if that can be done, but even if such an option was available, the server stats are broken since 2005 or so.

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MushroomStamp
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:34 pm 
 

Malfunction wrote:
Wouldn't availability of rules in all those languages appear like an invitation to flood the site with additional notes and stuff in Spanish...?


The Spanish part of the FAQ could consist of one sentence:

"If you can't read or write English properly, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out."
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DeathForBlitzkrieg
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:39 pm 
 

MushroomStamp wrote:
"If you can't read or write English properly, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out."


Si no puedes leer o escribir inglés correctamente, calla la boca y vete a la mierda! :lol:

For those who don't know, "vete a la mierda" is the wonderful Spanish equivalent to "fuck off" and means "step into the shit". :P
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christkiller
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:41 pm 
 

MushroomStamp wrote:
"If you can't read or write English properly, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out."


in french :D

Si vous n'êtes pas capables de lire ou d'écrire correctement en anglais, fermez vos gueules et allez vous faire foutre :D would fit perfectly haha

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:51 pm 
 

in Polish
"Jeśli nie potrafisz czytać czy pisać po angielsku odpowiednio, zamknij się i wypierdalaj."
or something like that :P

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BlackFlag
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:36 pm 
 

Seriously, I don't think this would help us. Then we'd have angry ignorant people ready to troll and/or point-whore (do these verbs exist? :scratch:).


By the way I know it has been a joke. :oh shit:

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Malfunction
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:38 am 
 

Du sprechen Englisch sonst du halten Schnauze.

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sofeshue
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:01 am 
 

In Chinese:

如果你不懂怎样读写英语,那就他妈的闭嘴滚出去!

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Unmutual
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:02 pm 
 

Hable inglés o muera.
Parler l'anglais ou mourir.
Sprechen Sie Englisch oder sterben Sie.
Parlare gli inglesi o morire.
Spreek Engels of dobbelsteen.
Fale inglês ou morra.
Говорите на английском языке или умереть.
Taler Engelsk eller dør.
说英语或者死亡。
講英語或死亡。
英語を話すかあるいは死んでください。
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droneriot
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:04 pm 
 

Unmutual wrote:
Hable inglés o muera.
Parler l'anglais ou mourir.
Sprechen Sie Englisch oder sterben Sie.
Parlare gli inglesi o morire.
Spreek Engels of dobbelsteen.
Fale inglês ou morra.
Говорите на английском языке или умереть.
Taler Engelsk eller dør.
说英语或者死亡。
講英語或死亡。
英語を話すかあるいは死んでください。

Yes, online translations always work so well...
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Unmutual
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:06 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Unmutual wrote:
Hable inglés o muera.
Parler l'anglais ou mourir.
Sprechen Sie Englisch oder sterben Sie.
Parlare gli inglesi o morire.
Spreek Engels of dobbelsteen.
Fale inglês ou morra.
Говорите на английском языке или умереть.
Taler Engelsk eller dør.
说英语或者死亡。
講英語或死亡。
英語を話すかあるいは死んでください。

Yes, online translations always work so well...


I couldn't resist. I'm sure most of them are badly fucked up.
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:42 pm 
 

If you know they are fucked up, why bother?

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