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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:38 pm 
 

As Wikipedia reaches a new level on communicating with users all around the world, the big encyclopediae like Encyclopedia Brittanica and various other ones have to work hard to cope with Wikipedia as an source of information; especially online. So attempts were made to open the vaults and already one German encyclopedia has made its sources available online; for free!
Furthermore: another big Wiki has been launched as a competitor to Wikipedia.
http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/Main_Page

I like to know where to draw the line. Should every source of information be linked to the sites here at the MA or should there be restrictions? If so, which would be those accepted? Should there be a new category like: encyclopedia?

another things that comes right to my mind: which language should be prefered when it comes to link to wikipedia? The best articles, the longest, the one in the English language? I had seen a link on the Judas Priest page to the Spanish Wikipedia and reported it; it was declared as being a biography. How to deal with this?
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September 2013:
the 23rd edition of my magazine has been released:
https://archive.org/details/ADeadSpotOfLightNumber23

Analysis of band names:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103987

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christkiller
Black Metal Elite

Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2003 5:12 am
Posts: 4764
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:47 pm 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
As Wikipedia reaches a new level on communicating with users all around the world, the big encyclopediae like Encyclopedia Brittanica and various other ones have to work hard to cope with Wikipedia as an source of information; especially online. So attempts were made to open the vaults and already one German encyclopedia has made its sources available online; for free!
Furthermore: another big Wiki has been launched as a competitor to Wikipedia.
http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/Main_Page

I like to know where to draw the line. Should every source of information be linked to the sites here at the MA or should there be restrictions? If so, which would be those accepted? Should there be a new category like: encyclopedia?

another things that comes right to my mind: which language should be prefered when it comes to link to wikipedia? The best articles, the longest, the one in the English language? I had seen a link on the Judas Priest page to the Spanish Wikipedia and reported it; it was declared as being a biography. How to deal with this?


English language must be predominant..

If the only source to a band is in another language, then it can be added (french, german, dutch, etc)...

Judas Priest spanish biography is useless .. (except if it brings a lot of still unknown facts about the band)

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Noisenoir
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:25 pm
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Location: Greece
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:11 pm 
 

Greek is better, the very word Encyclopaedia is greek and means literally "Children in circle" because in the ancient years the tutors put their pupils in a circle around him.
But ofcourse English is the most widely known and understandable language thus it should be used in multiple people communications.
A link to a spanish article (or greek for that matter) automatically reduces the number of users able to read it.
Same goes for sites (band pages, 'zines, etc.) without english translation.

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MMisantropo
Magnificient Degluter of Yummy Ants

Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:52 pm
Posts: 2739
Location: Brazil
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:53 pm 
 

I don't think there should be links to any encyclopedias at all, safe for special cases.

Quote:
Encyclopaedia Metallum: If you can't find something there, add it yourself.

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GuyOne
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Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:15 am
Posts: 337
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:30 pm 
 

...And I don't know what kind of special cases there would be. Bands that have their places in (for example) Wikipidea are already popular and wouldn't need that extra link on their M-A page. While bands that arn't popular would never be accepted to Wikipedia because their page would deem "useless" as no one would go there.

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Visionary
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Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:57 pm
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Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:46 pm 
 

I delete links to other encyclopedias such as BNR, Rock detector and wikipedia unless they offer information that is not available on MA and is for a very obscure band with no other info around. Wikipedia I always delete though.
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taleskiss on Kiss wrote:
They influenced MOST of the metal bands of our days, and they are not part of this site? This is unacceptable!!!
I would like to know why is that???
Because they are not considered metal? This is not fare!!!

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oneyoudontknow
Cum insantientibus furere necesse est.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:18 pm 
 

But what about this band:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=77662
Here it makes sense to have the Wikipedia article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Depr ... osis_(band)
At other bands that is of course different.
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September 2013:
the 23rd edition of my magazine has been released:
https://archive.org/details/ADeadSpotOfLightNumber23

Analysis of band names:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103987

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ForNaught
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:37 pm
Posts: 1193
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:08 pm 
 

I don't think linking Wikipedia to explain a band's name or gimmick is a good idea. Once that lark is started it would never stop, since I suspect that most band's names brook some form of explanation.

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oneyoudontknow
Cum insantientibus furere necesse est.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:14 pm 
 

You have to use the WHOLE link in order to get information about the band. Stupid bug... while there is (band) at the end of the link this part is not represented as a link. :(. You have to copy paste the link in order to see it, while clicking on it leads you somewhere else.
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September 2013:
the 23rd edition of my magazine has been released:
https://archive.org/details/ADeadSpotOfLightNumber23

Analysis of band names:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103987

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RegularK
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:24 pm
Posts: 740
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:08 pm 
 

Noisenoir wrote:
But ofcourse English is the most widely known and understandable language thus it should be used in multiple people communications.
A link to a spanish article (or greek for that matter) automatically reduces the number of users able to read it.
Same goes for sites (band pages, 'zines, etc.) without english translation.


Mandarin Chinese is the most spoken language. Thus we must immediately begin to translate the metal archives to Mandarin now!

It's not what language has more over all speakers, but what language has more over all speakers on the internet.

As for linking to non-English sources, there is always online translations that could do a quick rough translations of a website.

For example:
Official Destruction Site (DE) Translate

I know that's a pretty lame example as the site is in English also. Just an idea, you guys will probably tear it apart. Not perfect but its better than leaving non-English sources out completely (of course someone who actually speaks the language fluently should only add it)

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rockero81
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:22 am
Posts: 24
Location: Spain
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:49 am 
 

All links to wikipedia should be deleted. Anybody can change the articles, it only takes 5 seconds. If people were intelligent, it would be useful, but there are a lot of freaks with too much free time.

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Visionary
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Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:57 pm
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Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:25 pm 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
But what about this band:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=77662
Here it makes sense to have the Wikipedia article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Depr ... osis_(band)
At other bands that is of course different.


That should not be acceptable because there is an official site with all the same information. I have deleted that link now.
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taleskiss on Kiss wrote:
They influenced MOST of the metal bands of our days, and they are not part of this site? This is unacceptable!!!
I would like to know why is that???
Because they are not considered metal? This is not fare!!!

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oneyoudontknow
Cum insantientibus furere necesse est.

Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 6:25 pm
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Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:39 am 
 

Here I have found something you should look at:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=466
There is a link to Wikipedia... there is quite a big amount of data, but it is link to the Spanish version. The English version is rather poor...

I have deleted several entries of the "Biography Spanish"... there are no more entries at google that are relevant.
site:metal-archives.com "Biography Spanish"
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September 2013:
the 23rd edition of my magazine has been released:
https://archive.org/details/ADeadSpotOfLightNumber23

Analysis of band names:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103987

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