What do you mean by me "no getting my way back then" ?
Your reference to my posts in another thread is irrelevant, and puzzles me...

The genre's thread is a discussion thread, it's not meant to be categorical. Besides, if mods rejected some of my suggestions, it doesn't make it stupid. While I certainly don't pretend to know everything about metal (and punk), I highly doubt the mods (or anyone for that matter) are entitled to judge of the metalness of a band. This is subject to discussion, but not here, thus I'll stop now.

This being said, I think everyone of us should think twice before expressing one's opinions.

First, I have meant, that you should not make such categoric statements.

But as for this part" I highly doubt the mods (or anyone for that matter) are entitled to judge of the metalness of a band", you are wrong. We are (or better to say, the owners and mods who are appointed by them are), this is the principle of this site. For the needs of this site, of course.

Read the new interview:
http://www.metal-archives.com/arsenicinterview.php

* Can you explain how it works to add a band? Tell us more about the points system...

Morrigan: We don't accept everything, we have pre-established criteria (which are sometimes admittedly arbitrary). We are the ones who have to draw the line and decide if it's metal or not. People submit bands, which are added to a queue for our approval or those of the moderators (whom are appointed either by us or the more experienced moderators).
HellBlazer: We started the points system to incite people to contribute. But now, some people add just about anything just to get more points...
Morrigan: There are some who are REALLY obsessed with their score. Sometimes we remove some because they added stupid crap, and they email us or post on the forums saying things like "AAH! What happened to my points???" Relax... it's just a number on a virtual web page! Some folks are just neurotic about it.

For the needs of this site, as you say. Thus, if you consider Elysium to fit in the MA, no problems with that, but you can't reasonably say that most of the riffs are metal based, on a purely musical point of view.


I have read the interview (and the FAQ) a while ago, thanks. I know a line must be drawn, but this does not entitle people to be categorical about a band's metalness, regardless of the aforementioned "needs of the site".

And why add all that bit about the points system? It's not as if I were a point-hungry whoring user. I am merely trying to contribute to the accuracy of the data base, that's all.

Elysium is DEFINITELY death metal based enough...I don't even understand how one could argue this.

Does this sound like punk-based music to you, Aurvandil?

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=59994 Lycantrope
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=92532 Lycanthrope (Hol)

Same band

Lycantrope seems to be the right spelling (see demo cover)

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=59994 Lycantrope
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=95592 Lycanthrope (Hol)

Same band

Lycantrope seems to be the right spelling (see demo cover)

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=59994 Lycantrope
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=95592 Lycanthrope (Hol)

Same band

Lycantrope seems to be the right spelling (see demo cover)

Yes it does. Linear song structures, continued blast beating (nearing the gravity blast), typical crust/grind riffs. It is basically sped-up power violence, and PV is the punk genre the farthest from metal. Vocals don't make a band metal but in litigious cases such as grindcore, growled vocals will have more importance than grindcore screaming. I honestly don't see how one can say it is "DEFINITELY death metal based". Keep the band here if you will, I care not, but you won't have me think this is death metal based. This is purely power violence based, which is the evolution of fastcore (itself the evolution of hardcore punk, all of these being punk genres).

Once again, I'm not trying to discredit this band, this is exactly the kind of grind I like, especially because it is not metal based.
Since a decision was taken, I think it's now pointless to go on about it.

It has TYPICAL downtuned death metal riffs, not uncontrolled noisy or punk sounding riffs, and of course blasting parts, which death/grind has too - otherwise it would not be grindcore related - simple logic.
Vocals have no importance whatever. They could fart instead of singing, as long as the song structures and guitar riffs would be close to metal.
Now, stop it, you are bringing nothing but " it sounds like power-violence because I say so". I have already told you that it leads nowhere and brings your posts close to the kids demanding Slipknot here, because it sounds fucking brutal to them.

It seems to be a typical behaviour of people on that forum to deny everything that doesn't please them, and to bring nu-metal related insults.
Because you say it has "typical downtuned death metal riffs" doesn't make it so, and you're are reproducing the exact same pattern "it is X because I say so". Don't criticize what you seem to be eager to do.
Since mental masturbation over comprehension is the national sport on MA, I'll leave it, thanks.
One more thing: being a mod doesn't make you omniscient, omnipotent, and master of all metal-related wisdom. Just saying you should stay humble and not overlook your knowledge. That's it, thanks.

The sport here seems to repeat one thing over and over, even when it was explained in detail. That was the problem.

As for being humble, start with yourself. What you should notice from the interview, you may ask about the band, a moderator explains why it wil go or stay and you accept it, do not drone with your opinion over and over. The discussion should end there, since, as you know, the site is not a democracy in that aspect.

That is normally a speciality of the people who demand Slipknot, Dillinger Escape Plan or another famous populist band. You do not like it, then do not repeat yourself like they do.


You got it explained fourth times in a row. Everybody has some patience limits, and mine was exceeded already by third or so repetition.

Weird :

Sickness (Bra)
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=26071

Krueger (Bra)
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=7120

the same city, year, demo title, almost the same band members...
but on Kruger website nothing about other name

Sete Star Sept sounds more metal then Elysium anyway when it comes to such bands you will have always to expect a rejection or a surprising addition that's not the end of the world everything is arbitrairy but at least someone can remove "death metal" from Elysium's genre and keep only grindcore that will look more suitable.

Aphaeresis :
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=13255
maybe somebody will find something about their releases...

Shadows of Hope
They have no release out. The demo was deleted and they currently work on their first demo. I got this information as I asked them for the tracklist of their debut release.

Slaindust :
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=8058

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=8093

No discography and I could not find anything on Google

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=59994 Lycantrope
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=92532 Lycanthrope (Hol)

Same band

Lycantrope seems to be the right spelling (see demo cover)

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Same band

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=125594 (Disinfect (Hol)
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=71798 (Disinfest) = correct one

Inside (Rus)
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=19245
and
Inside (Rus)
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=43431

It's the same band. The second one's contact is [email protected], and the first one had releases on label RAE Music, and also all 4 songs from that split on second page can be found in tracklists of different albums on the first page, for example song "Hate /Remix FX 13/" is on the "Devil Inside" album.

hi

it seems that this band http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540256009 is already in.

Although the one already in has a slight name mistake http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=86414 missing an "A".

The fact is that is already in.

Reports for Aeternam

Hey, First you must know that Aeternam is my band, so the information is not all true, there is like 2 or 3 things that I'd like to be changed :

first the "demo 2007" was never released, it has been reccorded but the 4 tracks were :

1. Intro
2. Rebirth in Oblivion
3. Circle in Flames
4. The Heretic God

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Deleted.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=107778

I am not sure that Diskarial released something. A discography is in Additional Notes but i can't find any proof of a physical release.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=13415

No trace of discography, even on Google

WTF?!
band submitted (second time) by : Evenfiel

Noxious Faith :
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=29695
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=127252

why was emmure accepted?!?!??!?!

www.myspace.com/emmure

bash them! bash them to pieces!

nah just kidding, I love that band and lyrics and what they stand for but its just mostly hardcore with deth vocals

I am ashamed and disgusted at this decision
when good bands like human abstract and my bitter end
get hosed!!! Emmures spot in here should be traded with
one of these bands!

I think you have a point actually. This band does not belong, and that's coming from a moderator on the more lenient side.

But no spots will be traded, even if the band gets deleted.
The only thing that will get "traded" ill be you for trolling in the rejected thread, deathcoreforthedustbin.

Deleted Snake Rock, hard rock.

By the way, for the person who reported them, an auction with the picture of THE WHOLE PHYSICAL demo tape on e-bay proves at least, that the band has releases, while band's user written bio proves nothing without links, pictures or distros.

Hologram (UK) - Deleted
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=19734

I cried while listening to this. I was expecting something in the lines of the almighty Holocaust (UK), but this is only an “hologram” of what I though it was: Steal the Stars is only a compilation of Hard Rock mid tempo songs and ballads, maybe with the exception of Half of “Desolation Island” and “Can’t Live with you anymore”, being generous.
http://rapidshare.com/files/122689287/H ... -1983_.rar


My Sauronish eye is over Export too (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=40558).

Although I’ve not listened to the S/T album, their “You’ve got to Rock” single is Hard Rocker (B-Side has slights metalish hints). I’ve also listened to “Living in Fear of the Private Eye” and it’s Melodic Hard Rock with AOR tendencies.

They released an unlisted third album in 1984 called Contraband which I’ve seen described as AOR too.

If only I could listen to the full S/T… but until then, in the name of caution, I guess they should remain.

Recently accepted Ningen-Gyorai allready here in M-A.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=111929

Iranian band Nazazel sounds another fake Iranian black metal band with no physical release.

Yes, deleted. The submitter has shown with time, that he is unable to respect our basic rules.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=26252

Only released one undistributed demo?

Sounds like grounds for removal to me...

Indeed. Deleted.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=36568

This band has a demo released. But there is no info about the band anywhere on the net. Thus there is no proof that the release itself is real, let alone the band.

http://www.geocities.com/welovetapes/updates.html

That might be a reliable source.

I don't think an obscure site is sufficient enough. But we'll let Witcher or Nightgaunt be the judge of that.

Could email the guy and ask him about it.

There's no need for him to prove anything, the band has already been accepted, and there's no evidence against it.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5678/sargwartpl5.jpg
Sargwart. No release out.