I'll bring this up for discussion amongst the staff, but I think that genre could use revision. To address a few points:

-The genre would probably be more concise and accurate if we removed the early/mid/later
-The band is certainly one of those borderline early hard rock/heavy metal groups that we choose to include
-AOR is not my strength at all, but it's hard to go wrong with any conjunction of rock/heavy metal here. AOR, rock, hard rock.
-I'm not too familiar with the later Rainbow stuff, so this is mostly about a syntax adjustment anyway.

Cheers, Zodi.

This Haven
Listed as Progressive Metal. I hear atmospheric, groovy rock/metal stuff. It's quite heavy and cool-ish, but it's not progressive metal.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... ceeGAzRawz (offline)
There aren't many samples online, but I've got the whole album in MP3 format from the TMO days, should a mod wish to give it a listen.

Tilt (from Japan) should be:
Heavy/Glam Metal (early)
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=BzRBONg4qPc
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=1b0sMM24_2c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dHALVnpeT ... hsve1QE%3D
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=_Y0muwSWKg0
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=3Nv720OV4yw
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=lUTiv6YmCGU
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=HcXUU2_PCqs
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=j-FFZCbxKf0


Hard Rock (later)
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=qC4NDfS_iqA
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=EU3IgpvgNSY
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=Adud624T9BM
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=Thd9eq3yET4
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=Q1kGwcw2xe8

Closed this report prematurely I guess:
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/567999
They have a new release - added - which is emo/metalcore.
https://corrosive1.bandcamp.com/album/resilience

Hey hey, back to pester you guys.

Leviatan is listed as Dark/Black Metal, though it could easily be summed up as Melodic Black Metal.




Left Hand Solution are one of my long time favorite bands. Although the band is labelled only as Doom Metal, I find that the final album, Light Shines Black, contains little to no Doom whatsoever. I had added a little note on the band page suggesting the difference in sound, but I feel the difference is significant enough to warrant a genre change.

I would suggest changing the genre to "Doom Metal (early), Gothic Metal/Rock (later)".

Early:





Later:

Door into Emptiness - Black Metal (early), Electronic/Experimental/Ambient/Black Metal (later).
Well, that's about two latest albums - "Radio Ja" and "Znaki rabizny płyni lipenia". I don't even know how to denote their genre, I'm sure you can define it better.
Radio Ja
Znaki rabizny płyni lipenia

So I'd say Overkill's genre of "Thrash Metal (early) / Thrash/Groove Metal (later)" is pretty solidly out of date by this point, since the groove elements have been completely excised for the last six years and three (presumably four, when the new one comes out in a few months) albums. How should it be presented? "Thrash Metal (early, later) / Thrash/Groove Metal (mid)" looks weird for some reason, despite being 100% accurate. I'm not really sure how to put it now.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cro ... ath/120666

Reunited in 2015. Changed style to...
https://soundcloud.com/aldebaran_munoz/ ... o-a-la-luz
https://soundcloud.com/aldebaran_munoz/ ... mos-el-mal
They're being marketed as Hardcore Punk/Crust/Metal. I don't hear the punk influences, so... It sounds like melodic thrash/heavy metal to me. Probably crossover-ish, but not so evidently on those two songs.

Their old material isn't death metal either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ74DGIYi4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5eZubOqaBk
Sounds like red thrash to me. Good stuff.

Not many samples I know, but that's all I could find.

The options were weighed a while ago and this is the best way to list it for the time being. Doing Thrash Metal (early, later) / Thrash/Groove Metal (mid) is indeed weird, pedantic and needlessly complicated. The groove was such a large part of their sound, and for such a long time (since they never broke up or went on hiatus) that it puts us in an unusual situation.

I wouldn't say it's too complicated or anything since we'd only be adding one word and the shift in tone from Ironbound onwards is readily obvious to everybody. There's really no easy way to do it I guess, since it's either going to be misleading or ugly. I have no problem keeping it for now, but if, come November, the new album ends up being Ironbound IV like most people expect, it'd probably be worth sucking up and using the early/later tags.

The add. notes can be useful as well. Maybe the genre should be "Thrash Metal, Thrash/Groove Metal" and the add. notes could contain some explanation so the genre tag wouldn't be too cluttered.

^I think that's a good idea.

I agree, I can do that if it hasn't been done already.

Shadowseeds are listed as symphonic death metal, but that's not what they play.

What they do make me think of is Therion circa 1993/1995 with some black metal riffs popping up here and there (see track number 4 and 5). The vocals stay in a low (gothic-esque perhaps?) register all the time though which contrasts the music pretty well.

Entire album can be listened to here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3lPRlNYNGM

Hey there,
I would like to submit the genre of 0N0 http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/0N0/3540325569 for reconsideration. At the moment the band is listed as Experimental Industrial/Doom Metal. The label lacks Death Metal (we define the music as Psychedelic Industrial Doom Death Metal)
Here is a link for bandcamp:
https://ono0110.bandcamp.com/
Thank you for your time.
Cheers,
T/0N0

Afternoon,

Band in question is Vex (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vex/7052)

I'd like to request an edit to their genre classification; "death/thrash" really fit them. "(2010) Melodic death metal, (2013 to present) Progressive/melodic death/folk" would be more accurate.

To compare, here's their sound in 2010: hpgd.bandcamp.com/album/thanatopsis

A lot closer to the original school of melodeath along the lines of Unaniamted, Eucharist, second album Cenotaph, and Alf Svensson era At The Gates. To be fair there are *some* thrashy parts but they're not the main focus of their sound. The folk/prog/black/doom elements are also there although they're not centre stage either.

Here's how they changed in 2013: hpgd.bandcamp.com/album/memorious

There's a lot more Primordial-esque big, spacey textures and the folksy melodic sensibility is really, *really* strong at points especially on tracks like "No Such Thing" and "A Drinking Song" (which outright cuts out the melodeath influence for a big post-Hammerheart styled beer-swilling anthemic track). The thrash is almost completely nonexistent (some parts of "Those Days Are Gone" kind of sort of maybe sound thrashy).

And from this year: https://vextx.bandcamp.com/album/sky-exile

There still is some melodeath left but it's competing heavily with parts that sound almost Ved Buens Ende/Virus like (albeit if you mixed them with a lot of folksy prog rock on top of the Primordial stuff). Tracks like "Solar Sacrament" and "Antithetical Age" highlight this much more eclectic approach very well. There is absolutely no thrash at all to be heard.

Thank you

If things like Celtic Frost's Cold Lake aren't mentioned specifically in the genre anymore, does Pestilence's Spheres actually have to be? It makes the genre twice as long and it isn't actually completely removed from their death metal sound musically. Much simpler to just change it to "Death Metal (1989-)".

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pestilence/238

I believe that "epic viking or folk metal" would fit better on this band:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Taranis/8855

Check his music:
http://taranis.bandcamp.com/

This is the only song I can find of his demo, however: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LcokQaMCfE

Remember, vocals mean nothing in determining a band's genre.

But yeah, some Black metal influence, some Doom metal influence but imo, not enough to actually be blackened death metal or death/doom metal. But yes, it is definitely not symphonic.



I guess you weren't around when it was just labeled as "Industrial Experimental Metal". But, I do hear Death/Doom amongst the riffs. Done.



I'd say the influence on the "folk" part is more from the proggy/folk rock bands so that can just stay. There is some thrash influence but yeah, while I do here it more in the first album, it is only in a couple songs. Changed.



The genre is fine as it is.

Hypocrisy should get an update. All those numbers and the "onwards" parts could be replaced by "(early)" and "(later)". Any other important thing regarding the band's genre should be refered on the add. notes:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hypocrisy/96

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Salem/465 Salem should get an update.

Their early material could be classified as black metal-




Their mid-period material could be classified as death/doom/gothic-





And their later material is more straightforward death metal with a some groove and doom now and then-

Hypocrisy: Changed.

Salem: Current genre tag seems pretty accurate across all eras. Early stuff sounds like doom/death, later stuff sounds pretty chuggy and modern, deathcore at times, but this is pretty close to death/doom/gothic metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVxRu1utfR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bg8l1BvoUQ

And what about their really early material?

Typical 80s extreme stuff. Ultra-raw thrash/death/black with some other stuff mixed in. Sounds kinda like Slaughter Lord or Kreator's demos.

Hey I feel like we should acknowledge the black metal influence of bands like Vektor and Nervosa etc, e.g. bands with black style vocals and frequent tremelo picking guitar leads/riffs. Of course it's not black metal but "progressive thrash" does not describe Vektor to me, nor does simply "thrash" very accurately describe Nervosa IMO, something like "progressive blackened thrash" or "blackened thrash" would better fit, especially when the standard on here is to consider Sodom's early work and venom as a "black", not even a "blackened ____" status. The vocals, guitar tremelo, and blasts seem to me at times even to go into what has become the "melodic/tech black" category, but at least a "blackened" qualifier would suffice I think.

Not familiar with Nervosa's music but for me, it's absolutely out of the question to add "black" or "blackened" to Vektor's page, the influence is there but not enough to justify such a change.

No. It's not even close to black metal.

You can argue that Vektor's vocals are closer to Destruction anyway, which leaves only the riffs as a basis for the black metal portion. "Black/Thrash" or "Blackened Thrash" calls to mind something that either sounds like a literal blend between the two, or like some early Kreator/Sodom styled metal, neither of which sound anything even remotely close to Vektor. Yeah there's no way that's ever getting added to their genre.

Afternoon.

I would like to petition for The Chasm's genre changed from merely death metal to progressive/melodic death metal (perhaps progressive/melodic death/doom from 1993 up to 1998 as well).

A simple listen to their later material demonstrates a sound that integrates a large degree of classic heavy/power/speed/thrash/doom metal influence within a death metal context with lush melodies that at times eclipse their 80's inspirations and easily dwell within the territories of groups like Fatal Embrace, Alf Svensson era At The Gates, and Sentenced's North From here. Their approach to composition focuses less on the chaotic, fractured recombination typically associated in death meta and moreso on longer, narrative structures of riffs gradually outlining or outright forging new themes with the kind of complexity normally reserved for the elite of progressive rock.

As for their earlier material up to 1998, it focuses on much of the same but with a slower, more melancholy doom metal mindset. A lot of the songs use spacier, wandering lead melody in structures that are somewhat more ambient than what they're known for but convey a less weighty, more cloudy and surreal kind of doominess to them.

Thank you.

I do agree that "death metal" is not enough in their case but I think calling them "melodic death" would almost be misleading. "progressive" or "atmospheric" would fit though. I believe they're death metal that is melodic instead of melodic death metal, if this makes sense. Anyhow, this will be discussed and I'll admit it's been a while since I've heard them. Not so sure about the doom tag either, it's often overused when we talk about slow stuff.

I think a similar example would be Deathevokation (The Chalice of Ages is a masterful album), it's death metal with a lot of melodies but they never turned into Arghoslent or whatever.

I would argue that melody is utterly central to their composition (rather than say a component that helps simply smooth it out as in more conventional death metal) and with the constant riffing that evokes Manilla Road and Helstar vibes they're actually in a way more melodic than a lot of so called melodeath nands. There's a lot of moments where Daniel and Julio craft some pretty elaborate polyphony whether through those long fluid tremolo runs or riff offs that call to mind an extremely advanced version of 80's melodic metal styles. It's basically hyper-evolved classic melodeath in the sense of the previously mentioned Vex as well as second album Cenotaph (Mex) and debut era At The Gates.

Generally, we try to keep genres like that simple, particularly when it all tends to be variations on death metal or black metal. There's no need to overcomplicate it. For example, you could call early Mayhem thrash/black/death and later Mayhem experimental/avant-garde black metal, or early Morbid Angel thrash/death and their later stuff some other variation, but it really isn't necessary.

Sometimes we'll differentiate death metal and melodic death metal during different eras, but I don't think it's entirely necessary here.

The Chasm's earlier albums (first three if memory serves) do have their fair share of death/doom influence. With that being said though I'm really not sure what to call them. Something encompassing like Septicflesh's genre tag would probably fit, something like what Tony said. And I do agree that "atmospheric" is probably more encompassing than "progressive", which they more or less are (but not entirely if that makes sense).

It's one of those weird to define bands really. As it is now it's a bit of a Satyricon really.

In The Chasm's case, I'd say it's quite clear right off the bat they're a strange, otherworldly band. I think of all the tags the progressive one is probably the best as along with the previously elaborated narrative approach to songcraft it can encapsulate their more melodic elements and their doomy ones the best (along with their "atmospheric" side) so if I have to settle for one, there's my vote.

Said this a while ago but was ignored


I think Paradise Lost's genre could do with updating, it doesn't mention the synthrock stuff and they haven't played anything resembling rock in about 11 years

Thinking maybe doom/death/gothic metal(early/later) gothic/synthrock(mid)

I think Slavland's genre tag should be changed to "Pagan Black Metal". It's so obvious.

Slavland Dyskografia: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... dBNVAc6p9l

Here's a playlist of some of their discography.

I think Sanctuary's "early" tag should be power/thrash, not just strictly power.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoxRwaBMVEw and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBSY-VVXFzY for some clear examples of thrash/speed influences on their early sound. Could see power/speed or power/heavy as reasonably appropriate alternatives too; just haven't heard any other bands in a similar style labeled as purely power (even in USPM).

My first reaction was "Huh, I didn't realize it wasn't power/thrash already" and went to change it, but I decided to listen to Refuge Denied again for the first time in five or six years and there's a lot less thrash than I remember there being. I think my memory of Termination Force sort of overrode the rest of the album, because listening to it again, I'd say that and The Third War are the only songs with any real thrash in them, the rest of it is basically a rougher and sped up version of 80's Judas Priest. Lots of Defenders of the Faith-isms here. I think one of your alternatives would fit a little better, because it certainly isn't strictly power metal either. Seems like the logical midpoint between early 80s heavy metal from Britain and late 80s speed/power metal from Germany.

Ha, you know, before I posted here I was listening to the album again to pick out examples, and I actually was surprised myself at how the thrash wasn't as present as I thought (though I'd say parts of "Veil of Disguise" are in that mold too). And for the reasons you state, power/speed probably isn't a great fit either. So yeah, perhaps power/heavy is indeed the best.

Yeah I definitely agree. Changed.