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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:49 am 
 

BastardHead wrote:
It might really just be a case of none of us being familiar enough with the source


Speak for yourself, Maki is my waifu when it comes to Love Live.

But yeah, really. This albums sort of makes me apprehensive on accepting it. Like yeah, it is a lot of slam death, but what the guy didn't link was the other songs, which is more like the original µ's songs. Like, the main chorus and the most significant moments of the songs, including the main melodies. The lyrics themselves are basically the original pop song lyrics just goreified.

I don't know, to me, this is sort of like those people that make like, death metal covers of pop songs. It is like, if a band released a slam death cover of the MMPR themes and just changed the lyrics and kept the most noticeable parts of the song, including the main riff in the choruses I don't know if I personally would accept it.

Idk, someone else decide on it. I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
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Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Machine_Dead wrote:
The MA admins are gonna freak out, it looks like Wednesday 13 will eventually find its way into the metal archives if the rest of the songs on the upcoming album are like this.


1) we're not gonna freak out. If it's metal, it's metal, end of story. There is not shadow council conspiring to keep metal archives trve, though if there was I'd be the first one to join it.

This. People thinking the mods are going to tear their hair (or beards) out in anguish over this or that band "staining the database" are adorable.

@Clear History: Sounds pretty grindy and chaotic, eh.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:17 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
@Clear History: Sounds pretty grindy and chaotic, eh.


It is grindy and chaotic yes, but I wondered if it is ok enough since when I first tried that band I send the first song which is just 30 sec of grind. The songs have become longer, more riffs. Still a lot of chaos but on a Black Metal label.

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NARAKU666
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:38 am 
 

Hey guys i was wondering why Miasmal Sabbath is blacklisted? Sounds more death metal than crust to me

https://miasmalsabbath.bandcamp.com/alb ... ulest-10ep
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:18 am 
 

Tried to add Lore from Richmond, VA and got a blacklist note. Seems like acceptable black metal to me.

https://lorerva.bandcamp.com/album/lore

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From the dust returned
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:18 am 
 

Hi, this is the link to our single to prove that we are a metal band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NG56gVzWSg

Then if you need ohter, these are some links to listen and download our album "Homecoming":
Spotify: play.spotify.com/album/7EiA8IXP5nkSIogh0VYU9R
Deezer: www.deezer.com/album/15628332
Bandcamp: fromthedustreturned.bandcamp.com/releases

Let me know if it's enough or you need more info.

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Necropsychotic
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:05 am 
 

Luotteet was a Neofolk side-project from Shatraug and Atvar. I was wondering, since regular users are not allowed to do so, if one of the moderators would be willing to add them. Shatraug added their sole album on his bandcamp (https://shatraug.bandcamp.com/album/van ... ameri-2008) and they apparently saw a cassette release from Vermines Pestifera, date unknown.

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iiiz333
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:40 am 
 

Hello, I tried to add the band Mindless Hope and got a blacklist notice, just curious as to why. Digital releases, physical CD's, etc. are available through many outlets, including Apple Music, as seen here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/mind ... d688064459

The official website is http://www.mindlesshope.com and they are a progressive metal band from Philadelphia with three guitarists and two vocalists. Thanks!

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:54 am 
 

Blacklist note is pretty vague, just says "instrumental ballads."

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:11 am 
 

cweed wrote:
I apologize if this has been brought up before, but I would like to ask the mods to reconsider the band Warm from the US. I'd say it's "metal enough" because they a strong "sludge/post-metal" sound, but of course that's just my opinion.

Please listen to the following tracks from "The Human Exemplar" (https://warm.bandcamp.com/):
1. Ash in the Waves
5. A Pale Criminal
6. Among Lesser Birds

Thanks!

If you have to pick out specific tracks to demonstrate metalness, that's often not a good sign. Still sounds too borderline, though maybe other mods disagree.

Opus wrote:
Swedish band Hypnos was apparently blacklisted in 2014. New album Cold Winds was released 2016.
I'd say its metal. The guitar sound/production do have a 70's hard rock vibe to it, but the tonality of the compositions is metal. No blues progressions or major keys. Sounds a lot like metal a la Maiden s/t/Killers and Killing Machine.

You have a point, though it's one of those new metallic vintage rock bands that arguably emphasize metal lead guitar work and galloping rhythms over actual riffs (Corsair comes to mind, still blacklisted for their iffy output). Though that may be the production, as you say. It's not really clear, I'll ask around for more thoughts.

MasterOfSin wrote:
Hi,
i supposed that Plaguebringer from Canada is blacklisted for "core" reasons they have a new EP called Three Kings released some weeks ago, and to me sounds Metal can someone check out?

Bandcamp (digital)
https://plaguebringercanada.bandcamp.co ... hree-kings

BigCartel (7')
http://plaguebringercanada.bigcartel.co ... rd-ltd-300

Thank you.

One hardcore EP (if Zodijackyl is to be believed), one borderline EP. Nope.

BluesForSkyValley wrote:
Tried to add Lore from Richmond, VA and got a blacklist note. Seems like acceptable black metal to me.

https://lorerva.bandcamp.com/album/lore

Quite possibly a different band with the same name and country (the blacklist describes a mixture of gothic and ambient). Temporarily whitelisted.

From the dust returned wrote:
Hi, this is the link to our single to prove that we are a metal band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NG56gVzWSg

Then if you need ohter, these are some links to listen and download our album "Homecoming":
Spotify: play.spotify.com/album/7EiA8IXP5nkSIogh0VYU9R
Deezer: http://www.deezer.com/album/15628332
Bandcamp: fromthedustreturned.bandcamp.com/releases

Let me know if it's enough or you need more info.

Thx

Alex

Already pending in the queue with the necessary links.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:55 am 
 

Thanks.
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BrutalizerUtilizerOfTheShadows
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:20 pm 
 

Not sure if anyone has inquired about it yet, but I know that it's common for mods to examine a blacklisted band's new album to see if it makes them metal enough for the site. Demon Hunter released a new record entitled 'Outlive,' so I figured I would post a link here for the mods to check it out and see what they think.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... zuA5gB2Zv5

The playlist contains the whole album as well as the two bonus tracks on the deluxe edition.
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Erosion of Humanity
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I'll check this when I get home.

Edit: yeah this isn't gonna make it. Still too much -core in the music.
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BrutalizerUtilizerOfTheShadows
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:49 pm 
 

Yeah I figured as much but I thought it was worth a shot. Thanks for checking!
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No worries dude. Thanks for not being a dick about it too.
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Chris7278
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:05 pm 
 

The band I submitted called Skaldic (A experimental Black Metal project) got Blacklisted for not being metal enough could someone please double check that this group is indeed metal because I believe that the group is in fact Metal

metal releases
https://skaldic.bandcamp.com/album/forest-of-the-north - experimental black metal

https://skaldic.bandcamp.com/album/breath-of-nature - traditional black metal / DSBM

non traditional metal/non metal releases
https://skaldic.bandcamp.com/album/unco ... -noises-ep - Experimental noise/drone metal

https://skaldic.bandcamp.com/album/we-t ... s-for-love - Dungeon synth

https://skaldic.bandcamp.com/album/experience-life-ep - Ambient / atmospheric metal

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NARAKU666
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:58 pm 
 

Hey guys why is it Eat Lead blacklisted? Sounds like black metal to me

https://eatlead.bandcamp.com/

Also what about Miasmal Sabbath? sounds more death metal tha hardcore

https://miasmalsabbath.bandcamp.com/alb ... ulest-10ep
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Diamhea
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Eat Lead is a fake band.

Miasmal Sabbath: D-beat with guitar solos and death metal production.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:53 pm 
 

Chris7278 wrote:
The band I submitted called Skaldic (A experimental Black Metal project) got Blacklisted for not being metal enough could someone please double check that this group is indeed metal because I believe that the group is in fact Metal

metal releases
https://skaldic.bandcamp.com/album/forest-of-the-north - experimental black metal


This isn't metal.

I'll comment on the next two as I previously handled both:

NARAKU666 wrote:
Hey guys why is it Eat Lead blacklisted? Sounds like black metal to me

https://eatlead.bandcamp.com/


No valid release. I deleted Eat Lead and Snörkel from "Norway" - two bands from the same fake "label" with red flags all over the place. At the moment, I think the tape release limited to 20 copies (shipping from USA) is questionable, at best. Fake bands never get the benefit of the doubt.

NARAKU666 wrote:
Also what about Miasmal Sabbath? sounds more death metal tha hardcore

https://miasmalsabbath.bandcamp.com/alb ... ulest-10ep


New release is metal enough, last one war borderline. Whitelisted.

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:59 pm 
 

Chris7278 wrote:
The band I submitted called Skaldic (A experimental Black Metal project) got Blacklisted for not being metal enough could someone please double check that this group is indeed metal because I believe that the group is in fact Metal


The only release thay would qualify as metal, because ambient and dungeon synth are NOT metal, is Breath of Nature. Where the material is legitimately metal and would qualify for inclusion. The problem is that's only about 10 minutes worth of material and the other half of the split is no where near metal. Basically your only metalcore output is on an album that doesn't meet the standards for a digital release.
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MasterOfSin
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:22 am 
 

Hi,

Why Ephemera from Russia is blacklisted? The blacklisted is based in this álbum https://ephemera1.bandcamp.com/releases ?


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Fromhelltoappart
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:25 pm 
 

Hello,

I've try to add my Band, Darchitect, but i receive a message that we are "Blacklisted", We release our record in the last mouth, I add all the information you ask, please, can you check it again?

Thanks,
Lucas - Darchitect

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Erosion of Humanity
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Fromhelltoappart wrote:
Hello,

I've try to add my Band, Darchitect, but i receive a message that we are "Blacklisted", We release our record in the last mouth, I add all the information you ask, please, can you check it again?

Thanks,
Lucas - Darchitect


Blacklisted in 2015 for repeated submission with no proof of release. So provide us with proof that you've released an album that meets our standards in this thread.

MasterOfSin: it was blacklisted in 2012. Time for a reevaluation.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:08 pm 
 

I already put the links to prove the existence of the physical Copy, The Website of our label, and our Facebook page with images of the CD and posts about It...I realy don't know what else to do...

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Fromhelltoappart
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Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Fromhelltoappart wrote:
Hello,

I've try to add my Band, Darchitect, but i receive a message that we are "Blacklisted", We release our record in the last mouth, I add all the information you ask, please, can you check it again?

Thanks,
Lucas - Darchitect


Blacklisted in 2015 for repeated submission with no proof of release. So provide us with proof that you've released an album that meets our standards in this thread.

MasterOfSin: it was blacklisted in 2012. Time for a reevaluation.


I already put the links to prove the existence of the physical Copy, The Website of our label, and our Facebook page with images of the CD and posts about It...I realy don't know what else to do...

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Erosion of Humanity
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Where and when did you do this? The blacklisting is two years old and you just said you released the album last month. How could you have submitted the proof? And like I told you, read my post, produce those links HERE, in THIS THREAD.
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Fromhelltoappart
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:31 pm 
 

I Submit the links today, in the band page, I think that the moderators have access to it, Sorry.

Here's The links:

Our label website: http://www.diehard.com.br/detalhe_produ ... nNMzgyNDk=

Our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/darchitectofficial/

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:38 pm 
 

We can access your draft, but it's a bit complicated. Far easier if you just post the links here directly, along with your inquiry.

Anyway, whitelisted.
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Fromhelltoappart
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:41 pm 
 

Thanks, I understand :)

I put the links of our label website and our facebook page, please, let me know if you need something more.

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Azmodes
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You also have to submit the draft to the queue again. ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:55 pm 
 

Thanks Man! I've submitted now!
Let me know!

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iiiz333
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:12 pm 
 

Diamhea wrote:
Blacklist note is pretty vague, just says "instrumental ballads."



Okay, well it's definitely Progressive Metal with two vocalists, so what do I do next?

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MasterOfSin
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:37 pm 
 

Erosion of Humanity wrote:

MasterOfSin: it was blacklisted in 2012. Time for a reevaluation.



Ok, thanks

if is posible can someone make an reevaluation for this album:

https://ephemera1.bandcamp.com/releases

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boblovesmusic
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:45 pm 
 

I'm going to guess that the instrumental band The Lie was blacklisted cus of it's short digital length, right?
https://morelies.bandcamp.com/album/wait-theres-more

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:56 pm 
 

https://absently.bandcamp.com/album/open-mind

Absently came up as blacklisted. Why is this? I be curious!

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PDS
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boblovesmusic wrote:
I'm going to guess that the instrumental band The Lie was blacklisted cus of it's short digital length, right?
https://morelies.bandcamp.com/album/wait-theres-more


More hard rock than metal.

boblovesmusic wrote:
https://absently.bandcamp.com/album/open-mind

Absently came up as blacklisted. Why is this? I be curious!


More prog rock/djent than metal.
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I tried to submit a band called "Hich" back in 2016 when they released them first album and the band gets into the blacklist cause genre of that album was ambient.
I was in contact with band member and i was know the future works of this band will be metal and this was my reason for submitting the band at that time.

They released two more albums one is doom metal and another is black metal.

This is the link of them last (black metal) album which called "Into the battle of ego and annihilation":

https://hichofficial.bandcamp.com/album ... nihilation

And as i saw on them facebook and you can see in the link below, They released this album physically on DVDs too.

https://ibb.co/fff8wQ

So please remove this band from blacklist.
Sorry if my english is not well btw.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:07 pm 
 

Firstly, I understand that "Hardcore" is not classified as Metal, however, other than that, is there another reason to why Torture (the band I submitted yesterday) was blacklisted? I see many other bands on the archives, showing "Hardcore" as part of the genre, yet, they're somehow allowed... Torture is a Beatdown Hardcore band, I must add; they're not purely just Hardcore. They incorporate slams too, which is used by the Brutal Death Metal community.

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BananaSuitMassacre wrote:
Firstly, I understand that "Hardcore" is not classified as Metal, however, other than that, is there another reason to why Torture (the band I submitted yesterday) was blacklisted? I see many other bands on the archives, showing "Hardcore" as part of the genre, yet, they're somehow allowed... Torture is a Beatdown Hardcore band, I must add; they're not purely just Hardcore. They incorporate slams too, which is used by the Brutal Death Metal community.


Clearly you didn't read the first post:

5. Comparing bands (don't)

This may seem like the obvious course of action in some cases, but be advised that we generally frown upon arguments like "you have band A listed and band B is similar, hence you must also accept band B". Please avoid this, as it comes with the following problems:
1) We simply do not work that way. Each band is assessed and judged on its own merit and trying to compare two distinct bands is treacherous business, even if they may sound similar. And if the two are indeed sonic carbon copies, perhaps the listed one should be deleted instead.
2) Since the site lists a (very) small number of non-metal exceptions, one might be tempted to use them as a reference point. However, these are exactly that, exceptions, and not subject to our guidelines on music.
3) Slippery slope. We do not want to base further inclusions solely on one or more listed band(s) that might be questionable or were wrongly approved to begin with. We would rather (re-)assess the proposed inclusion and the compared listed band(s) on their own instead of expanding a part of the database based around repeated instances of a resigned "we'll, we have this, why not this as well?". See item 1).
4) Most importantly, the Archives can in some ways be seen as a database of metal releases rather than bands. What that means is that in order to gain entry, a band only needs one predominantly metal release (ideally a full-length), regardless of the rest of their discography. This can result in bands starting out as metal, but changing to non-metal later or the reverse. More subtle cases exist, with bands being listed based on a (possibly lesser-known) fraction of their discography. So how does this connect to comparing bands? Well, it's simple: Since we judge releases, comparing band A as a whole to band B as a whole is a fallacious argument when one is actually comparing non-metal output of band A (accepted based on their metal output) to non-metal output of band B (unacceptable because they have no metal output). Consider it one level above arguing that band B should be included because they have a few songs as metal as band A's releases.

So again, each band is judged individually and we don't do the blind approach "A, hence also B".
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More specifically slams are not innately metal. You said it yourself the band is beatdown hardcore.
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