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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:11 pm 
 

mkay.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:18 pm 
 

Great, thanks.
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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:56 am 
 

Why was Longa Morte from Belarus blacklisted? If it's due to either poor production/metalness, there's a new album with better quality and more riffs - http://longamorte.bandcamp.com/album/escapism

And also why was Destroy My Enemy (Belarus) from blacklisted?

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EpicDismemberment
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:31 am 
 

TheStormIRide wrote:
EpicDismemberment wrote:
Ok, thank you for your time. If you have a chance to listen to Vinum Sabbatum's stuff, please let me know what you think.


I did a quick listen and going to guess it was blacklisted for being more heavy/psyche rock than metal. Unless one of the other mods (more into that scene) deem otherwise, I think the blacklist is going to stand.


Thanks for the reply ;)

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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:48 am 
 

Krister Jensen wrote:
Why was Longa Morte from Belarus blacklisted? If it's due to either poor production/metalness, there's a new album with better quality and more riffs - http://longamorte.bandcamp.com/album/escapism

And also why was Destroy My Enemy (Belarus) from blacklisted?


Longa Morte was blacklisted in 2013 for being mostly ambient. Whitelisted now based on the new release.

DME - may of last year for being more core than metal.
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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:30 am 
 

Submitted Longa Morte, thank you TUA!

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deathtoall666
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:44 pm 
 

Why is VitaPhobia from Iran blacklisted?
https://cvlminis.bandcamp.com/album/withering-of-life

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:37 pm 
 

deathtoall666 wrote:
Why is VitaPhobia from Iran blacklisted?
https://cvlminis.bandcamp.com/album/withering-of-life

MIDI DSBM with no physical release. Blacklist note from mid 2015.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:51 am 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
A cursory search reveals Overkill L.A. mentioned exactly once before in 2011 by Witcher, but nothing since then.

The music still retains its Punk spirit, but there's enough Motörhead and even a touch of Black Sabbath here and there to merit a listen:


A playlist of the entire album for all interested parties

I'm leaning towards it being more punk/rock than metal, though it's close sometimes. EDIT: Zodijackyl agrees.

Gatherum wrote:
So I have a general question:

When judging metal (or music, for that matter) to determine its appropriateness for inclusion, does the instrumentation/production method matter? In Zaraza's case, for example, they never a had a guitarist (as far as I know), and instead made use of manipulated guitar samples. Assuming for a moment that Zaraza's composition is consistent with metal/has "the metal riff", is it still invalid because their band members don't follow the literal "rock/metal band format" (guitarist, drummer, whatever...)?

Note that I am not really asking for a re-evaluation of Zaraza; I just listened to their entire discography besides the old demos, and while I think it's metal as fuck, there's also enough weird shit going on that I could kinda see why they would be removed as not being metal enough anyway. I'm just trying to figure out how MA feels about metal that is electronically produced (not to be confused with "electronic metal" or whatever). In my view, if it sounds like metal, it is metal, and Zaraza's inclusion for years led me to believe that MA shared this mentality.

The first part in this post might provide an answer: viewtopic.php?p=2558123#p2558123
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Ziotopanga
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:55 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Sounds fine, but listening to the entire album or at least a good portion of it would be ideal.


Constraint full album available through this link : https://uploadfiles.io/33353

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:15 am 
 

Mille grazie! Whitelisted.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:03 pm 
 

would like to just provide some evidence that Phantom Feel is indeed a (black) metal band:




yes there are elements of ambient/noise as well but the backbone of their sound is dissonant and raw black metal, maybe there could be some confusion here due to the poor recording quality.

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TheOnlyJoey
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:33 pm 
 

Hello,

I want to add a dutch band called Polter who released their demo today (https://www.facebook.com/polterofficial) but it seems there is a blacklist on adding a Polter in the Netherlands, though they have not existed until 2016 and this is their first release.
Can this ban be lifted so I can submit this band? thanks!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:43 pm 
 

Are you sure? The blacklist entry is from 2014 and calls them "industrial rock". What I'm hearing on Bandcamp is industrial rock/metal, though seemingly more of the former. A short digital demo is not a valid release in any event.
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TheOnlyJoey
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:11 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Are you sure? The blacklist entry is from 2014 and calls them "industrial rock". What I'm hearing on Bandcamp is industrial rock/metal, though seemingly more of the former. A short digital demo is not a valid release in any event.


Thats a completely different band. The band I have linked to started February 2016 and is definitely Industrial Metal.
The demo is a 3 song worldwide release.
(Edit: this is their bandcamp http://polterofficial.bandcamp.com)

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:29 pm 
 

TheOnlyJoey wrote:
Thats a completely different band. The band I have linked to started February 2016 and is definitely Industrial Metal.

That's funny, because a band called Polter performed at this 2014 gig and is described as featuring a certain Pieter Oevering, who is also listed as the guitarist on the FB page you linked. Here's a video of that concert, uploaded in April 2014.

But as I mentioned, all of this is immaterial, since a short digital demo does not qualify as a valid release. You'll have to wait for something more substantial.
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TheOnlyJoey
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:37 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
TheOnlyJoey wrote:
Thats a completely different band. The band I have linked to started February 2016 and is definitely Industrial Metal.

That's funny, because a band called Polter performed at this 2014 gig and is described as featuring a certain Pieter Oevering, who is also listed as the guitarist on the FB page you linked. Here's a video of that concert, uploaded in April 2014.

But as I mentioned, all of this is immaterial, since a short digital demo does not qualify as a valid release. You'll have to wait for something more substantial.


A former dutch band called Polter did exist in the past with Pieter on guitar, but this is not the same band that started in 2016 also featuring the same guitarist.
I will resubmit this band when they release their next album.

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Ilya K
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:42 pm 
 

Could you please reconsider banning 浊世 (Mortal World)? It has metal riffs, though it has a lot of ambient as well. But a lot of bands on MA are partly ambient.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%E6 ... 540415788#

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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:26 pm 
 

What year was Maleficium Arungquilta (Rus) blackisted? I found Metantoine's answer back in 2013 that "they're considered gothic rock/darkwave", but maybe it was before the 2013 album came out? I find the riffs quite metallic. I can send a link in PM.

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Frank Booth
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:11 pm 
 

I asked about Entheos a while back when Primal was the only thing that they had, but The Infinite Nothing has been out for a while now and they deserve a second look. My initial request was rejected for being too djenty, but The Infinite Nothing is a pretty straightforward tech-death album with predominately death metal riffing, and the djent elements, while still present, take the back seat this time around.

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Recurrence
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:48 pm 
 

Just wondering why Bury Tomorrow has been blacklisted. They are definitely metalcore bordering on melodic death metal. If bands like As I Lay Dying, For Today, and Bleeding Through are allowed then I am not sure what is preventing Bury Tomorrow from being on here. Because they play breakdowns? Bury Your Dead plays lots of breakdowns and they are on here. No disrespect but I seriously don't get it. Thanks!

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I'll give them a listen a bit later but the metalcore bands listed here are usually far and away more influenced by the melodeath portion of the dichotomy at at least one point in their career. As I Lay Dying is very metal influenced apart from the clean vocals and breakdowns (which make up neither the majority nor the driving force of their music (Lambesis has even said that when he started the band he had precisely two influences: In Flames and Living Sacrifice, two metal bands)) and For Today's output from Immortal onwards would be unacceptable but their earlier albums, particularly Ekklesia and Portraits, are more than metal enough. I'm not all that familiar with Bury Your Dead but if these are the bands you're using as a benchmark you need to understand just how much more metallic they are than Parkway Drive or nearly the entirety of the swoopy haircut and gauged earlobe riddled bands that saturated the mid 00s.
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dartallica
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:20 am 
 

Hi There,

Just wondering if "Chron Goblin" can be added as currently showed up as blacklisted? They are a 'stoner metal' band from Canada. Their latest album was released on Ripple Music.

www.chrongoblin.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN0MxyJkLYg

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:49 pm 
 

Is Illumina A.D. the same band as the blacklisted Illumina? Looks like they've changed name at some point.
https://illumina.bandcamp.com/album/tapestry-of-lies-ep
The former name isn't blacklisted, but I don't want to submit previously assessed material.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:58 pm 
 

^ must have change during year 2013,
and at least one flyer exist without the "A.D.": https://goo.gl/GPakfM

Contact: [email protected]
Fb: https://www.facebook.com/illuminametal as "Illumina"

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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:49 pm 
 

Can From the Sewer be removed from the blacklist, please? The last time I submitted them they were rejected because their digital albums were too short but now they have a physical release.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 2704938669

http://fromthesewer.bandcamp.com/

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BastardHead wrote:
I'll give them a listen a bit later but the metalcore bands listed here are usually far and away more influenced by the melodeath portion of the dichotomy at at least one point in their career. As I Lay Dying is very metal influenced apart from the clean vocals and breakdowns (which make up neither the majority nor the driving force of their music (Lambesis has even said that when he started the band he had precisely two influences: In Flames and Living Sacrifice, two metal bands)) and For Today's output from Immortal onwards would be unacceptable but their earlier albums, particularly Ekklesia and Portraits, are more than metal enough. I'm not all that familiar with Bury Your Dead but if these are the bands you're using as a benchmark you need to understand just how much more metallic they are than Parkway Drive or nearly the entirety of the swoopy haircut and gauged earlobe riddled bands that saturated the mid 00s.


UPDATE: Yeah this is a pretty clear cut example of the type of metalcore band that is way more focused on the chugging breakdowns than any semblance of metallic riffing. I sampled roughly ten or eleven songs (sidebar: how the hell have I never heard of this band and yet they're on Nuclear Blast and have like six trillion music videos?) and the only one that seemed to have a sizable portion of metal in the song was "Her Bones in the Sand". They have a lot more in common with Phineas and Oh, Sleeper than As I Lay Dying or Killswitch Engage, that's for sure. So yeah, the blacklisting stands.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:39 am 
 

Dear moderators,

I've submitted a band called Kujang Rampak from Indonesia, but it was rejected (not metal band).
Are you sure this is not metal? I think they plays death metal/brutal death metal.
Please review again their sample songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpgdySP ... e=youtu.be
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZcGoSF9tw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiu2PYxpZ4M

Thanks..
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:03 am 
 

re: kujang rampak
Actually, the blacklist note says it might be a fake band as the sound and videos don't seem to line up right. Looks like Derigin blacklisted it - so maybe he can explain more.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:21 pm 
 

Nautilus (CRI)
Official release (2012) via FB: https://www.facebook.com/Nautilusbanda/ ... =3&theater
(Not available anymore through the link, but that shouldn't matter)
I got the whole thing via this link: http://metalencastellano.blogspot.nl/20 ... -2013.html

Sample 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoja8N_BLxQ
Sample 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRVP4e3IXAU
Sample 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnSo2_RQ7lM
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:03 pm 
 

Hi!

I'm trying to add my band "Filled With Hate" but got rejected due to lack of evidence that we play metal and have a valid album. Since links to our facebook and spotify page wasn't enough(?) I've also added links to myspace, amazon and the label. I'm going to re-submit it now and hope that the added info will do.

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cepit
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theunrelentingattack wrote:
re: kujang rampak
Actually, the blacklist note says it might be a fake band as the sound and videos don't seem to line up right. Looks like Derigin blacklisted it - so maybe he can explain more.


There are 3 videos on my submission notes. One of them I copied from the label page. Here the post: https://mobile.facebook.com/story.php?s ... 8161123371
The label Rottenflesh Records has released their physical album: https://mobile.facebook.com/rottenflesh ... 8297079501

Of course they are not a fake band. They have uploaded their live perform video on youtube
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tDhr4oPjcBg
They have 2 facebook pages
https://mobile.facebook.com/Kujang-Ramp ... BlIjoyNzR9
https://mobile.facebook.com/Kujang-Ramp ... OjI3NH0%3D
This is their label page that has released their physical album:
https://mobile.facebook.com/rottenflesh ... c0fQ%3D%3D
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:28 pm 
 

We need samples from the actual album, not from live performances. Not only that, but there were some serious red flags there. For instance, not only did one video show music being dubbed over a live performance, but the samples provided don't even match the sound of the actual live performances. It was like someone was taking songs from other sources and dubbing them over their own live performances. Just fucked up. So, long story short, unless you can provide us with samples of (preferably all) tracks from the album itself, we can't judge it.
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cepit
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:02 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
We need samples from the actual album, not from live performances. Not only that, but there were some serious red flags there. For instance, not only did one video show music being dubbed over a live performance, but the samples provided don't even match the sound of the actual live performances. It was like someone was taking songs from other sources and dubbing them over their own live performances. Just fucked up. So, long story short, unless you can provide us with samples of (preferably all) tracks from the album itself, we can't judge it.


As I said, on my submission notes I have provide 3 links of video on youtube. One of them I copied from label page. The label has posted their sample song of their first album.
Here the post:
https://mobile.facebook.com/story.php?s ... 8161123371
Here the song on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpgdySP ... e=youtu.be
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cepit
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:53 am 
 

Is Casavieja from Guatemala not a metal band?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:18 am 
 

That's usually why bands are blacklisted, yes.

Blacklist note says "Grind/Neocrust".
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Antioch wrote:
Nautilus (CRI)
Official release (2012) via FB: https://www.facebook.com/Nautilusbanda/ ... =3&theater
(Not available anymore through the link, but that shouldn't matter)
I got the whole thing via this link: http://metalencastellano.blogspot.nl/20 ... -2013.html

Sample 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoja8N_BLxQ
Sample 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRVP4e3IXAU
Sample 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnSo2_RQ7lM

I blacklisted this in 2014 because a user had faked proof of physical release. Whitelisted.

RazorDick wrote:
Can From the Sewer be removed from the blacklist, please? The last time I submitted them they were rejected because their digital albums were too short but now they have a physical release.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 2704938669

http://fromthesewer.bandcamp.com/

Is there a way to listen to this release? Or is it just a compilation of the stuff on Bandcamp, since it says "discography"?

dartallica wrote:
Hi There,

Just wondering if "Chron Goblin" can be added as currently showed up as blacklisted? They are a 'stoner metal' band from Canada. Their latest album was released on Ripple Music.

http://www.chrongoblin.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN0MxyJkLYg

Blacklisted in 2014 for being stoner rock. Have there been any releases since then you think are metal? If so, provide links.
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KKWulf
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:12 pm 
 

Hey why you put my band into blacklist...?

I just change the genre!!!

If you do not believe or you think is not a metal band... well what can I do?

The bands name is Candida Albicans.

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:17 pm 
 

KKWulf wrote:
Hey why you put my band into blacklist...?

Because it's not metal.

KKWulf wrote:
If you do not believe or you think is not a metal band... well what can I do?

Keep playing the music you want to play, and don't care whether you get into MA or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:31 pm 
 

Is not metal? so it is the same music as Semen From Mexico or Machetazo From Spain... Why that is metal for you?

I do not understand... Do you let get in some band you like and the bands does not like reject?

Obviously I will play the same music; I just support my band with this page.. but if you do not like.....

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