It says here that they had released the album on CD back in 2004 but it is out of print now: http://www.reverbnation.com/servanthood

And some more convincing evidence like a distro which carries second hand copies, a review which mentions a physical release,a collection by some metal collector and so on?

i know that haste the day is blacklisted because its mallcore, but their new song 68 is heavily influenced by melodic death metal. it sounds relative to early destroy the runner and darkest hour. do you want me to bring this issue back up when the album comes out so you can sample more of the album? because the song 68 is heavy enough in my opinion (you might not, but im pretty sure you will). i would be able to list them as metalcore/mallcore (early) - Melodic Death/Metalcore (now)

http://www.myspace.com/hastetheday

this band is a little tricky, i tried adding them too. the problem is theres no proof of the releases. i contacted the band asking them to email photos of the cd, but they blew me off, and its been 3 weeks so im expecting theyre not gunna send them, once i get them i can give them to you, or i can post them myself

You told me: Prove it. Well, the demo photos are here:

http://lanadanoexiste.blogspot.com/

Why was rejected this band again?

Are you kidding song 68 sounds like NICKELBACK+SOME MODERN METALCORE(one of 2 Metalic riffs means nothing).Shit how I hate these new bands jumping from one to another trendy genre.Hope this new album will be too crapy and do not qualify M-A.

Shit.New STARBREAKER CD is out but I think that they do not have chance again since music is allmost the same as in Debut S/T CD.But then again lots of reviewers label them as Melodic Metal.

They claim to be writing a new album, and since the band's location is very close to where I live, I'll get my hands on a copy of the album when it is released and upload the album's scans here. So I'll just submit the band later.

Sorry about all this, I didn't realize that physical material had to be released for a band to qualify for submission. I thought that MP3s were okay, because of that band Dawn of Tears is on this site and their album is MP3-only.

some bands have physical releases besides though. idk why these damn bands keep doing mp3 releases, physical are so much better. a drone doom band called Moonn was recently removed from the site because there was no proof that any of their cd's were physical releases, so you have to watch out what you add

At what point does stoner metal become stoner rock? Because Nick Oliveri and the Mondo Generator seems like stoner metal to me

I'm asking for a second opinion about SplinterFuse, who were rejected a while ago for not being metal enough.

They are very close in sound to Beyond The Embrace, a melodic death metal base sound with metalcore influences in the guitar riffing and an alternative style in the vocals. I can't hear why they aren't acceptable.

http://www.myspace.com/splinterfuse

Four of the songs from their 7 song EP are on their Myspace. There is also an intro and two other songs: Bane and Veiled Disgrace. Bane starts off with tremolo picking and has a Killswitch Engage type sound while Veiled Disgrace is more of a metalcore track with a Maiden-worship break in the middle.

I can upload the entire thing to Rapidshare for review if need be, or are the Myspace tracks enough? Let me know when I can resubmit.

I recently submitted 2 bands called 'Here Comes the Kraken' and 'My Autumn' but they were both rejected because they didn't have enough material released. WEll, Here comes the kraken I can kinda see why they rejected because they have only recorded 3 demo songs BUT they have been the opening act for bands like job for a cowboy and animosity so they must enough material to play at concerts

On the other hand My Autumn have a 6 track EP released so i have no idea why they rejected them

So, why did they reject them then????

And proof of physical release??
Plus proof of metalness - songsamples??

Have you read the rules before submitting anything, like you have written directly in the queue?
http://www.purevolume.com/myautumn
If you mean this My Autumn, then they are too borderline. The songs start melodeath, but soon turn to whiney alternative emo and modern hardcore part. Not consequently metal. All three songs are like that.

I know they are not 'Tr00 m3t@lz!' They are a deathcore band and share similar sounds to Despised Icon and All Shall Perish and both those bands are metal enough to be accepted on this site! They actually cover the despised icon song called 'Quarantine' and pull it off pretty well!

Yes! There is a physical release, here is the album cover:


http://i38.tinypic.com/258bkg5.jpg

I have talked with the drummer and he said that they sell it at stores in his hometown

I have explained to you why they are not metal enough. Despised Icon are far more death metal based than this band.

Such comparisons will not help you, metalcore bands are judged individually.


If they are true or not does not matter at all, they are not enough metal musically.

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Seriously, enough is enough. I ask myself, if this thread has any sense, since 90% of people who ask here do not make any effort to understand the written rules, database system and acceptance system. It goes so on a daily basis.

More mods/users opinion on this general usefulness issue? Suggestions how to reach more rational and useful discussion?

Listen to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s7oLS4BILY

That is one of their songs on their EP

The purevolume link you posted was wrong and said the drummer was called Nick? His name is Mark, so umm I guess that pure volume thing is wrong

http://www.myspace.com/myautumnmetal
Yes, these songs are metal enough.

But their e.p. is not physical, it is a download only "release" so still no chance for them.

DAMN IT!

Just kidding...But if they do get released will they be submitted???

Apparently so. If Witcher considers them to be metal enough, all they need is to put out a physical release with music in the same vein as they play now (i.e. deathcore with a large amount of death metal influence).

First of all, I apologize if this is not the right thread for my question... Well I've been filling in my metal collection and I've found three Spainsh bands that are not on the archives, and before submitting them, scanning covers and typing shit I wanted to be sure they haven't been rejected before, specially two of them that are borderline Industrial Metal, the bands are:

• Gorplough (Doom/Black) from the Canary Islands, I've got their demo "In Valle Tenebrarum"
• Gutural (Industrial Metal) from the Basque Country, I've got their demo "Arripkaen Nektirno"
• Obsesión Compulsiva (Industrial Metal) from Galicia, I've got their "Demo '97". (They completely rip-off Ruido de Rabia so it would be strange if the latter is in the Archives and the former not, but again...)

Please could someone tell me if these bands have been submitted before? And if I upload some music samples, where do I give the links to the moderators?

Can't say anything about the bands, but the links to samples are usually sent to mods via PM.

As for the bands, please, do not ask abou them here, simply try to sbmit them. If they were blacklisted, they will be blocked automatically. Otherwise submit them regularly with soundsamples and proofs of physical releases.

This thread is for users to ask about their already rejected bands and cearly blacklisted bands, not potential rejections.

And where do I put, let's say a link to a zipped file with mp3 and photos, in the submission?

You can flag the bandwith it, or put in in the additional notes.

Ok then, I'll try later, thanx for your help!

Posting for proof of Hraesvelgr, a band i submitted, hopefully this will be adequate as the denial was due to lack of apparent discography.


- CD-R itself. It has no artwork or case. The CD is handnumbered in 25 copies. I got a tracklisting from the band members themselves for the sake of accuracy.

- announcement on myspace regarding the demo itself, it's quantity, etc and the show where it was first released.


If this is enough proof, i can resubmit the band, if i should wait then i can wait and submit the band at a later time if need be.

Hi guys, I think that this site is very great and "well maintained", but I have to underline that sometimes there are bias with some bands. I'm a big fan of Grindcore, in every form, by years. I recognise when a band has enough metal elements to be added to the archive. For example bands such as Anal Cunt, Libido Airbag, Cripple Bastards, Rompeprop or even Last Days of Humanity (even if these two last bands are more borderline) have different influences beside metal that justify they're not in the Archive. But (and here is the point) I don't have any idea why Meat Shits aren't in the Archive! I think this was object of many discussions, but I have listened to most of theri releases and I think that they can be easily labeled as Death/Grind in the vein of bands as Blood for example. A releases as Violence Against Feminists Cunt is Death/Grind from the beginnig to the end. In my opinion they are more Metal than Agathocles!

Anyway, I'm curious to hear your opinions.

Never mind.

Read the rules precisely.
No, they must have a release on a label with world distribution. Their single was released on a small underground label. and the demo was independent.

Hey witcher! Why the fuck was the band 'Steve Irwin' accepted on metal archives

I can't see any physical material released by them, can you???

Because they were submitted by a user who has been consistent and honest enough for a long enough time to be trustworthy, and he (she?) provided enough information. I'm not there yet, probably might get there by the end of next decade (by 2020)

I think if a physical release is mentioned in a review or a distro, that is enough for the band to be accepted even if the user adding the band has no idea what the actual tracklisting is. Sometimes I see bands with just a release mentioned in the additional notes and a link to a review or a posting in a distro.

That's right. There are many cases where we have bands that have no material in the discography section on their page (because that information isn't exactly known) but have links to old magazines or distros that mention the release. So we know it's out there and it's real, we just don't have complete information on the release itself.

Ahhh ok

I know another band I can submit but not yet because they have only recorded a demo sampler but I'm positive Arkaea will release a full length. They sound so good for now though

Okay, I'm probably going to get FRIED for this, possibly even banned, but I have to say it...

HIM (yes, that one!) SOUND HEAVY ENOUGH FOR THE VAULT ON THEIR FIRST ALBUM.

Its heavy gothic metal with more than a little touch of doom. Over and over I've heard Mods here say that its not the quality of the music that gets a band accepted, but the metalness.

Well, tell me that these songs don't sound like gothic/doom METAL -

HIM - Our Diabolikal Rapture; from the album, "Greatest Lovesongs: Vol. 666"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ncdr0Kz4A

HIM - For You; from the album, "Greatest Lovesongs: Vol. 666"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwK_cCmRksc

HIM - It's All Tears (Drown In This Love); from the album, "Greatest Lovesongs: Vol. 666"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgZHqLh0PO4
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This stuff is HEAVY and completely metal, to my ears. Yes, it still has Ville Valo's vocals on it, but the songs themselves are heavier than HELL. Whether or not you like gothic metal, you cannot deny how heavy and how METAL these songs are. Don't tell me this is just gothic hard rock. The 69 Eyes never sounded HALF this heavy.

Anyone hear the aforementioned metalness and think this band deserves to be in the Archives, despite everything they put out after this album? OR am I about to get hit with the banhammer?

You would never get banned for asking such a thing. We might be a bit tyrannical and harsh here, but we don't ban for shit like that.

I think your case for HIM is a dismal one, though. It's been discussed before and the conclusion was that they are not metal.

Well, thank you for your encouragement.

Yeah, they certainly are not metal at all AFTER their first album.

But damn, that first album, its HEAVY.

Let me ask all you Mods a question. Pretend that HIM never got popular, and that they broke up after the recording of their first album and it faded into complete obscurity. Then, someone digs it up, links to the above-linked songs, and submits the band to the archives as 'Gothic Metal' or 'Gothic/Doom Metal.' Would it REALLY get rejected?

I won't lie and say that popularity doesn't sway at least some form of influence of our opinions, but I think that we try to uphold a standard of consistent review on this matter. I would personally also say that they are not metal, even without their mainstream factor. Other mods would agree I think, but of course it is hard to say because that situation doesn't really have a chance to come about.

I think if it were a different group of mods, it would be borderline acceptable at best. It teeters on the edge of goth rock and metal, but more so on the former spectrum. That is my view anyway.

If you take a listen to Type O Negative's softest albums, they are still noticeably more metal than HIM.

In my humble opinion, "For You" sounds equally metal as "Love You To Death." I know it was just one album that HIM sounded metal on, but its pretty consistently heavy. Even the softest song on the album, 'The Heartless,' has a monstrously heavy guitar break that probably counts as the heaviest part of the whole album.

Did you listen to the songs in the videos?

Meat Shits was discussed before (several times) and rejected. if they ever release an album with more death metal influence than usually (lesser amount of songs, longer songs, decipherable death metal riffs (not some chaotic wanking up and down the fretboard), etc.), then they might be accepted, as I understand it.

Yes, pretty much.

For the most part, you ought not worry what the staff proper is going to do to you, and needn't impugn their good will and names by casually suggesting that they're about to tyrannize you (and this is certainly not the most effective way of building a rapport, to say the least). They probably aren't, because they mostly can't, and, more centrally, because they generally wouldn't. Not so for me, now. I just might. For I have, and probably will again. Punishment is my domain. When you see someone crushed who deserved it, thank the framers of the various confluent levels of rules and regulations that govern the Hammer's use and/or whichever helpful staffer or samaritan it was who brought the problem to my attention; when you see someone crushed who didn't deserve it, well, you just blame me and my poor temperament's variously kinky and sordid affair with my itchy trigger finger. And let me tell you, there isn't much that makes said trigger finger itchier than seeing one of you pups conflate the bad deeds of one or two particular staffers with the generally good deeds of the staff collective. Got it? Good.

Now, as to HIM. They did not sound like metal to me when the world began to take notice of them sometime in the second half of the 90s, and experience has done nothing to change this perception in the decade or so since I first heard them. Again, most of this site's staff is not quite so backwards and willfully myopic as me; regardless, however, I still think you would have a difficult time in finding many of them who would agree with you. Old ignorances die hard, I'm afraid.

Of course, that's largely moot. Even if you can't win the support of the underlings, you really only need to convince one or both of two particular people, and stranger things have happened.