Sorry! It's my first band submission!

No worries. That's what this thread is for!

Why aren't they metal enough?
Although they have a few ballads and their first album is hard rock, they are absoutely metal.

They are definitely not "absolutely metal". The second album is maybe 50% rock ballads and the rest mostly hard rock with a few metal moments in between.

Bummer. But thanks.

Serpent of Brass was rejected because it was psychedelic rock more than doom. I am objecting due to the evidence of OM being listed in the archives.
https://serpentofbrass.bandcamp.com

I really wish folks would grasp that just because one band exists on the Archives it does not mean another band will be accepted.

When we make judgments on whether something is acceptable or not, comparisons between bands don't factor into it. That might sound odd to the people reading this post, but consider for a moment that we judge bands for acceptance based solely on whether they have at least one predominantly metal album. For the most part, most bands that have "metal albums" are popularly perceived of as "metal bands." Maybe that's the only sound they play. However, you can have bands more popularly perceived of as "non-metal bands" which have a "metal album" somewhere in their discography. If that's the case they will be accepted, regardless if most metalheads might not see such bands that way. This isn't to suggest that Om is not metal - far from it - but that comparing between bands is utterly useless when what we're looking at are specific albums, not what style of music a band is best known for playing or which someone can loosely stereotype a band for playing at any given time.

Bands are approved on their own merits. Prove to us that a band has a metal album.

Phrygian and minor scale used exclusively in composition of songs. Ominous and brooding vibe characteristic of traditional & funeral doom. Produced and engineered by a known metal artist. Mastered by a known engineer who has worked for Southern Lord. Moreover, delay, ambient movements and clean/non scream vocals does/should not exclude a band from a genre.

the decision is what it is. But so is empirical evidence as far as it is possible in such a subjective context.

Beethoven's fifth symphony was also omnious and brooding, with a percussive overture in the key of C Minor. These attributes have absolutely nothing to do with being metal.

Why is the band Malevolence (United Kingdom, Sheffield) blacklisted? They play a mix of melodic thrash/groove metal and metalcore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yerxP6t9Q9E Definitely a metal band.

We're currently discussing that one.

My band Ovnev was rejected because there wasn't a place to buy the physical demo. It is up for sale on my bandcamp page now. https://ovnev.bandcamp.com/album/-

Only two copies?

Come on...

Okay hi, to be honest, I'm pissed. I tagged Masuria as "Progressive Metalcore", now its blacklisted. Well, just give it a listen, if you think it may be too much core for your metal page.... Call it Prog Metal or just Metal.... But I don't get the point of excluding certain sub genres anyway.... Oh and a Member also played in Inkarna, who are on your site, which makes it a project, you would list? In the end, do what ever you think is best for your site.

You could have tagged it "raw black metal" and it wouldn't have made any difference considering the actual music.


I distinctly remember the band being firmly on the -core side of the spectrum.


Well, to be exact, metalcore is a hybrid genre. Bands playing this style are bound to vary in their musical make-up. As a metal database, we exclude those whose sound is more hardcore than metal, whereas we include the reverse. What's not to get?


I don't see how this is relevant?

I will make more copies when people order more copies, AS OF NOW there are only 2 copies. Why did it get rejected again? I have done everything the rules say for a demo. I changed that it is a limited edition of two because I will make more. 2 is just all I have on hand right now.

That's not enough distribution to validate the physical release.

And it is too short to accept as a digital release as well.

Ok then. I won't resubmit again if you want to reject it. I will wait until my full length is complete and come back. Will this demo be accepted when I put the full length up or should I just leave it off?

It really isn't at all, if it was more "core" than it would sound reminiscent of hardcore punk and it doesn't at all. Modern metalcore like this has hardly any actual "core" to begin with anyway. On top of that it's progressive from what I just heard.

um, do you have BastardHead on ignore or something? He very clearly explained this to you like three times now. If you disagree with his/our/the wider definition/cladistics of "hardcore", ok fine, but don't act willfully ignorant of what you've been told by a staffer of this site and repeat the same stuff ad nauseam. It's not doing anyone any good.

Yes.

Okay, interesting. I would recommend 'Metal Evolution' series on Youtube with musicologist Keith Kahn-Harris. But however, I'm out, seems pretty senseless and I'm okay with Masuria not being enough metal for your website.

Yes, it will be accepted or yes, he should leave it off?

Oops, haha.

Include the demo, Ovnev.

"wider defintion"

He knows little about hardcore and he even said that himself.

Get used to it man. We have a different understanding of -core than you.

That doesn't excuse ignorance but okay

Hardcore and Hardcore Punk aren't the same, dude.

Where's the empty?
-- http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Eviction/3540403606 --
(I didn't type in submission note after rejected)

It's already filled when I checked/before rejected.
And all links are working,

Honestly I don't say which one is the physical copies and which one is the sample, but every a hundred bands I submitted are indeed like this and approved.
(it's strange why the bandcamp link is white, but it still works, try to copy+paste)


You mean all includes the logo, photo, year, alternate spelling, discography, members, location, lyrical themes, related links? If so, then off topic why is approved without all the available information?
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Insanity/3540402391

Some lack of information because I don't know what's the release year, where's the location, etc but around one or two years ago, don't know which format was released first, the links never say pre-order and coming soon, it's distribution/order as usual. I didn't add logo because more than 50kb and can't resize it right now. I didn't add album because how the hell can I add it by phone. But the physical copies are exist and Bandcamp samples are available, that's the minimum. The additional note explains too, I am not lying. Unless if rejected again because not metal.

I did not reject it for lacking proof of valid release. I rejected it because you CAN add all the avaliable information and refused to do so. That's a lazy submission in my eyes. I am no clairvoyant to know you are submitting from your phone and can't add the album, so in my eyes it was a lazy, negligent submission and I don't take too kindly such submissions.

If possible, add the album and full information and resubmit.

Seems more like our definitions simply do not align. You seem to think that if it doesn't sound like vintage hardcore punk, then it can't possibly be counted as a form of hardcore/-core. But that's like saying Obituary can't be viewed as playing an evolved form of heavy metal because they don't sound like Judas Priest. I believe BastardHead made a similar comparison to demonstrate our point. I'm no expert on hardcore/punk by any means, but I like to think that I have some understanding of the connection between Black Flag, Shai-Hulud, Hatebreed and Suicide Silence and that "hardcore" (which is what we mean by -core around here) can certainly be used as a wider term covering the various (to a greater or lesser degree metal-flavoured) subgenres and developments ultimately derived from punk, like metallic hardcore, beatdown hardcore, and (less-than-metal) metalcore/deathcore.

You may still disagree, but that's how the site views it.


hm, are you sure you read that part, OC?

aaauuuuu is understandably perplexed here. Honestly, OC, I'm not a fan of your practise to send incomplete-yet-acceptable submissions back to the sender. Sometimes it's indeed laziness, but as aaauuuuu's case shows often users simply do not have the necessary information/means for a more complete draft. Yet the submission can still meet our minimal requirements and there is no harm in approving it since the gaps can (and probably will, to some extent) be filled in later anyway (and we have a point system for different degrees of completeness for a reason). The key is to verify whether a band has the necessary attributes to get an entry, everything else is nice to have, but not technically a requirement. I think what you're doing is unnecessarily complicating the submission process, confusing users as to what exactly is needed of them as stated in the rules.

aaauuuuu, please resubmit.

I tried searching but got no results. Finnish grindcore band Cut To Fit is blacklisted, more punk than metal is the assessment I guess?

Punk-based grindcore

Too much FETO in the mix I guess. Thanks.

Abbath's new band (Abbath) has revealed a song off of the new album as well as a release date and album art. Can I add the band now that all this info has been published?

http://metalhammer.teamrock.com/news/20 ... inter-bane

No, a band needs at least one valid release already out.

Τhanks!

Why was M-102 blacklisted? Their new album is out, thrash metal.
http://m-102.bandcamp.com/album/the-dividing-line

Moderators rejected this band of a friend of mine because they said that Faunus has not a valid release, but he is selling his first ep via bandcamp and his official Facebook. A moderator said that is not a valid release because their cds will be shipped within 98 days, but Faunus told me that just was an mistake. Cds will be shipped within beetween 1 and 5 days, but he is not selling the complete ep in bandcamp digitally because he like physical cds.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Faunus/3540389572

"Aversions Crown is blacklisted because it's more -core than metal"

yeah and winds of plague are allowed because...what? they are death metal? blackened death metal? they aren't more -core than metal? oh that's right, cuz breakdowns, chugging guitars, breakdowns, breakdowns and BREAKDOWNS...are what...pure metal?

sorry, but sometimes the logic in this page (admins) is so stupid.