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ThePoop
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:59 pm 
 

I did read the first post, I suppose I was not clear on how to check if they were blacklisted, I apologize.

EDIT: I read the post before mine, thinking it was in reference to Yeehaw Jihad. Will attempt to submit the band.
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Rehschnegen
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:19 am 
 

Greetings!

I wanted to submit Plague Upon The Ocean to the queue, (they have a physical release out today), but i was told, they were blacklisted.

Can it be changed, so i can submit them?

Best regards!

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PDS
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:27 am 
 

They were blacklisted for not having a valid release like...a year ago. Can you link some proof that there is a physical release out today?
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Rehschnegen
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:26 am 
 

It is available through their page at Bandcamp.

http://plagueupontheocean.bandcamp.com

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:30 am 
 

Ok, I've removed the blacklist. Resubmit them and we will go over it.
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Rehschnegen
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:31 am 
 

Thank you!

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Marian256
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:36 am 
 

I saw the rules, and seems that there is nothing wrong about Intrigue from Norway, I know is a bit hard to find the songs to listen, but I can send you to prove this (I also got all their original albums on CD) from the first of 1994 and the last of 2011

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:39 am 
 

Marian256 wrote:
I saw the rules, and seems that there is nothing wrong about Intrigue from Norway, I know is a bit hard to find the songs to listen, but I can send you to prove this (I also got all their original albums on CD) from the first of 1994 and the last of 2011

Thanks


As mentioned, they were blacklisted in 2013, so I doubt you are going to be able to change our collective mind.

Zodijackyl, you were the mod that executed this, do you mind to comment?
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Marian256
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:22 pm 
 

Forgive me... I didn't remember if was Zodijackyl or another Moderator that put on Black List the band, I was asking here "In general" just to know why the band Intrigue was not accepted... I don't think that I bother... No? I am here to support and give my contribute to the site

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:48 pm 
 

It's no bother mate.

Blacklist note cites: "Folk hard rock that's as soft as pop punk at times."
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boblovesmusic
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:12 am 
 

I see that Upheaval from France ( https://www.facebook.com/UpheavalOffici ... =page_info ) has been blacklisted. I suspect it has something to do with them not having an official full length release, but that has now changed https://itunes.apple.com/album/cathegrism/id956927722 Musically they seem quite metal to me. Feel free to contradict me or confirm me!

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boblovesmusic
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:12 am 
 

(also you'll be seeing that I'm also submitting another band called Upheaval from Boston that hasn't been blacklisted, so don't be confused!)

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:00 am 
 

Upheaval used to be here (I submitted them myself, at one point), so they were apparently blacklisted due to lack of metalness. I wholeheartedly disagree with whomever made that call, though - they sound like Origin, definitely not "more -core than metal" in any way.
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kreuztot
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:44 am 
 

Acrimony (India) is blacklisted. They released one EP with something I would describe as technical progressive metal. Not really into such stuff though, it's metal to me but I'm not able to judge if they would qualify for inclusion or not.

Das Kammerspiel (Germany) is also blacklisted. The one release which I have in my hands right now is avantgarde black metal. In my opinion it's predominantly metal and it might be even feasible as a side-project entry of Dirk Rehfus.

Thanks for looking into that!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:48 am 
 

We can take another look at Upheaval, MC. Any links? (can't listen to iTunes)

kreuztot wrote:
Acrimony (India) is blacklisted. They released one EP with something I would describe as technical progressive metal. Not really into such stuff though, it's metal to me but I'm not able to judge if they would qualify for inclusion or not.

Das Kammerspiel (Germany) is also blacklisted. The one release which I have in my hands right now is avantgarde black metal. In my opinion it's predominantly metal and it might be even feasible as a side-project entry of Dirk Rehfus.

Thanks for looking into that!

Acrimony was blacklisted in 2012 for being more -core than metal. Das Kammerspiel doesn't have a note attached, provide samples etc.
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kreuztot
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:16 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
kreuztot wrote:
Das Kammerspiel (Germany) is also blacklisted. The one release which I have in my hands right now is avantgarde black metal. In my opinion it's predominantly metal and it might be even feasible as a side-project entry of Dirk Rehfus.

Das Kammerspiel doesn't have a note attached, provide samples etc.


According to last.fm they have only one metal release which is the one I own. This might explain why they were previously blacklisted ( http://www.lastfm.de/music/Das+Kammerspiel )

I'm not really into that uploading stuff and so on, but I try to find a way to provide samples.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:47 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
Upheaval used to be here (I submitted them myself, at one point), so they were apparently blacklisted due to lack of metalness. I wholeheartedly disagree with whomever made that call, though - they sound like Origin, definitely not "more -core than metal" in any way.

Eeeeehhh, "Cathegrism" does not seem to be as clearcut as you describe it. At all. Seems to be a mix of tech death and djenty deathcore.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:30 pm 
 

When I submitted them, they had only released an EP, not that full-length. I looked up a song from it (the EP) last night after I saw them mentioned and it sounded pretty clearly like tech-death to me - with a couple of breakdowns, sure, but definitely not to the point that they dominated the music. Maybe that would be worth a look?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:10 pm 
 

What was 4 Dead in 5 Seconds from Australia for? They have 2 CDs out:
http://4deadin5seconds.bigcartel.com/

and seem to be generic melodic death metal.
http://4deadin5seconds.bandcamp.com/alb ... ls-artwork

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Well, since I'm here, I'd also like to know the stance of this band:

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http://satanath.bandcamp.com/album/sat1 ... -hell-2015


Here's the full album:
http://narcolepticaprod.bandcamp.com/al ... sy-of-hell

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delcev903
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:03 pm 
 

The band Tartavara (Belarus) are blacklisted. Recently they released album which is totaly atmospheric/epic black metal in the spirit of Summoning. Previously they also released few similar records.

Here is it (they also have physical releases): https://tartavara-by.bandcamp.com/album/--5

Tartavara are not one of those shitty bedroom ambient black metal bands. This is realy some awesome stuff!!!!!!!!

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Skyserpent
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:45 pm 
 

Hello. A band named "Ennoven" is blacklisted and I cannot submit it.
I don't know why this happened, lyrics are not offensive, the quality of recording is pretty good.

And yes I red the part which says "Ambient/depressive black metal - Some vague fuzz with shrieking does not equal black metal. Also applies to ambient droning noise with BM-type shrieking."

And that's why I'm giving you an example.
Well, just tell me if it's not metal enough...

https://ennoven.bandcamp.com/track/reborn

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PDS
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:04 pm 
 

Skyserpent wrote:
Hello. A band named "Ennoven" is blacklisted and I cannot submit it.
I don't know why this happened, lyrics are not offensive, the quality of recording is pretty good.


They are blacklisted for having too much post-/Ambient elements. There are parts that sounds like metal, but there isn't enough metal elements in the album.

delcev903 wrote:
The band Tartavara (Belarus) are blacklisted. Recently they released album which is totaly atmospheric/epic black metal in the spirit of Summoning. Previously they also released few similar records.


While I agree with you that Tartavara is a good band, this album is still a little too more ambient. It is very close imo, but the ambient overtakes everything in very certain parts where I'm sure they meant to have more guitars. I say wait for their next release.

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What was 4 Dead in 5 Seconds from Australia for? They have 2 CDs out:
http://4deadin5seconds.bigcartel.com/


Close, but the -core overtakes the metal elements

kreuztot wrote:
I'm not really into that uploading stuff and so on, but I try to find a way to provide samples.


I only found one song by this band on youtube called "Der Einkehr später Gast", I hear some metal parts in it, but not enough. It seriously sounds like Black Metal with overtaking elements of Psychedelia and.... Jazz Noir Movies. I don't normally do this, but I'll do some searching also. I really like this stuff. Sort of like Danger: Diabolik met The Maltese Falcon...
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kotugunler
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:13 pm 
 

I understand that the first album of Blliigghhtted was more ambient than metal. But the new album is more metal than ambient, please accept it.

Band: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bll ... 3540385949

Song from new album: http://www.metal-temple.com/site/news/v ... 2Cpersonal

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Necrologue
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:15 pm 
 

Here is content for two rejected submissions.

Here's physical evidence of Obscene Evisceration's second demo: http://i.imgur.com/4mk355c.jpg

Here's the first track off of Offensive's demo and a picture of the physical release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVI4b_-geI4

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:21 pm 
 

Necrologue wrote:
Here is content for two rejected submissions.

Here's physical evidence of Obscene Evisceration's second demo: http://i.imgur.com/4mk355c.jpg

Here's the first track off of Offensive's demo and a picture of the physical release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVI4b_-geI4

Both restored.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Obs ... 3540393541
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Off ... 3540391495
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MDL
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:28 pm 
 

Hi. Today, my band submission, StormHate was rejected because of this:
""The format of the EP is unknown." Then why are you submitting is a CD? How can there be proof of a release if the format itself is not known?"

Well, I said that the format of the EP is unknown because I could't found anything that could claim the format of the release. I put "CD" because I dont know how to indicate if the format is unknown since that word does not appear in the options. sorry for my ignorace about that.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:37 pm 
 

MDL666 wrote:
Well, I said that the format of the EP is unknown because I could't found anything that could claim the format of the release. I put "CD" because I dont know how to indicate if the format is unknown since that word does not appear in the options. sorry for my ignorace about that.


I'm sorry, but how is that possible? Is it an 8-track?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:38 pm 
 

Nope, the EP haves 6 tracks.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:52 pm 
 

That's not what he meant. :P

Anyway, if you're not reasonably certain about a release's format it's better to not add it at all and only mention it in the notes. That being said, if not the specific format, do you have any evidence/hints that the band released something valid, according to our definitions? The thing is that if you can't even divine whether it's a CD, tape, etc., that's usually a bad sign.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:00 pm 
 

The band stated their own releases and they can be found on their myspace page. I'm not sure if the EP was released as digital or physical, because they didn't said nothing about that. Should I mention the release of "embracing the shadow" in the notes and leave the discography field empty?

I want also to clarify that the page of the EP could have the same feature as this one (the unknown format).

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:13 pm 
 

MDL666 wrote:
The band stated their own releases and they can be found on their myspace page.

Myspace doesn't offer downloads and we require a valid digital release to be available for full download.

MDL666 wrote:
I want also to clarify that the page of the EP could have the same feature as this one (the unknown format).

That's a left-over from before the versions feature, waiting to be specified. It can't be selected for releases/versions added after it went online (2014-05-30) and is a required field.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:41 pm 
 

Well, I will try to wait for another release of the band, like a full-lenght or something. Their EP was released at a long time ago, maybe they are already planning something new.

Edit: I tried to contact the band, I will let you know what they said after their reply.

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witchy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:00 am 
 

Hi everyone,

Opera Macabra was rejected, because:

"Where can this release be purchased? Could you provide a link to where it can be purchased? Do any distros/labels/shops carry it?

Answer: Yes, this release can be purchased on our facebook fanpage:

https://www.facebook.com/OperaMacabra

The virtual label is Weeping of Akbul.

Can you provide photos of physical copies?

Answer: Yes, here are the physical copies photos:

https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot ... e=557591B3

https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot ... e=55725E12

Any doubts, please contact me.

Regards,

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Cheers, restored.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:50 pm 
 

Hey guys, why is Lähdön Aika (FIN) blacklisted?

I assume it's borderline sludge but they have a new album out (II) if someone wants to check out.
http://lahdonaika.bandcamp.com/

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Azmodes
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I'm not sure, this seems to gravitate more towards post-/hardcore than metal overall. I'll ask more staffers for input.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:34 pm 
 

While there's some metal, it seems that almost everything about the band is indeed rooted in post hardcore. The band also identifies itself as "intense and heavy approach to sludge/metal infested hardcore" and I'd agree that metal is only a part of their sound, a part too small to get an inclusion here.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:52 pm 
 

kotugunler wrote:
I understand that the first album of Blliigghhtted was more ambient than metal. But the new album is more metal than ambient, please accept it.

Band: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bll ... 3540385949

Song from new album: http://www.metal-temple.com/site/news/v ... 2Cpersonal


Regarding the newer album, a few mods and I are discussing the newest album. We'll let you know once we reach a decision. I am in favor of adding the band based on the latest release, but I can see where the hesitancy comes from.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:34 pm 
 

I intended to submit Ad Cinerem, but currently it has not had any demos with an upcoming release date.
My first attempt got rejected because the demo album "...once mourned...now forgotten..." does not have a definite release date, and therefore it is not a valid submission, and there are no further submissions beyond this one. Only 2 songs can be accessed through YouTube, which is digital.
However, there is an official FB page of this band: https://www.facebook.com/adcinerem/timeline
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:39 pm 
 

Resubmit when the album is available. Even if you have the exact release date handy, if the band's only release isn't available yet, they won't be accepted. YouTube is a fine medium for us to check whether or not a band is metal, but it is streaming-only, so no amount of songs posted on YouTube is going to work toward inclusion.
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