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Zeffiro
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:59 pm

Hello, had this band rejected : http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cri ... 3540390481

Everything is fine except "can't find any further info about that CD release. The band doesn't even mention it on FB. How can it be acquired? How many copies made?"

The physical CD release is just 10 copies (which is an info that I think i added into the release's info) as it is for "promotional use" (eg: for labels and such); at the same time, the whole EP has been released in streaming on soundcloud (https://soundcloud.com/zeffiro88/sets/c ... chariot-ep), and that IS mentioned on the band's official fb page.

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Diamhea
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:02 pm

It isn't a valid release, since it was released in VERY limited physical quantities and only distributed to labels. That is what we define as an unacceptable promo release.

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Zeffiro
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:16 pm

Diamhea wrote:

It isn't a valid release, since it was released in VERY limited physical quantities and only distributed to labels. That is what we define as an unacceptable promo release.

Alright. So if i make 100 of those and say they're obtainable by directly asking the band at live events, it would count? Meh. Fyi : it isn't only distributed to labels, or it wouldn't have an online review already.

Anyways, thanks for your time and let's see with next release.

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Derigin
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Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:25 am
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Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:46 pm

Zeffiro wrote:

Diamhea wrote:

It isn't a valid release, since it was released in VERY limited physical quantities and only distributed to labels. That is what we define as an unacceptable promo release.

Alright. So if i make 100 of those and say they're obtainable by directly asking the band at live events, it would count?

At this stage it's probably best for us to have photographic proof of this actually happening.

We hold all bands accepted to MA to the same standards, including that they have made their metal releases publicly available for distribution. It's not an unreasonable hurdle to pass.

Zeffiro wrote:

it isn't only distributed to labels, or it wouldn't have an online review already.

Not necessarily true. It's actually pretty common for labels/specific reviewers to be given copies for the explicit purpose of (hopefully) advertising and promoting the release, but the fact that in those cases it's only given to specific people for strictly promotional purposes does not make it a public release, but a private one.

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reedx032
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Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:43 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:00 pm

Not sure if this is beating a dead horse, but bringing up Agoraphobic Nosebleed and wondering why they're not considered metal. The riffs that Scott Hull does for ANb are just as metal as the ones he does for Pig Destroyer, and between the three vocalists of J Randall, Kat Katz and Richard Johnson, they cover all sorts of styles from screaming, to guttural to yelling. Their latest full length Agorapocalypse has a lot of thrash elements, and their latest 7" split And on and on... has thrashy as well as doom elements.

I just find it real strange that the archives are so restrictive on adding bands with regard to subgenre

http://agoraphobicnosebleed.bandcamp.co ... apocalypse
http://agoraphobicnosebleed.bandcamp.co ... -on-and-on

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PDS
The Folk One

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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:02 am

For one, Gindcore is as much of a subgenre of Hardcore Punk than it really is a subgenre of metal. That is one thing that a good amount of people are just stupid about, since well they don't know shyte. We only take Grindcore bands that have a sufficient death metal influence in them. That is why Pig Destroyer is here.

Vocals types don't matter at all. If it did, then I'm fuckin' Adding Screamin' Jay Hawkins right this second.

Use the search tool next time.

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reedx032
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:51 am

While certainly PxDx are more deathgrind and ANb are not, there are a number of "pure" grind bands listed on this site: Extreme noise terror, Rotten Sound, Nasum, Discordance Axis, Gridlink, Insect Warfare, Nosiear, etc. Hell, Brutal Truth only fits into the deathgrind because of Extreme Conditions.
I did search and found other similar discussions which seem equally ambiguous. Clearly I'm not going to change anyone's entrenched positions on this, and I'm not sure why I actually care, since I think over classification of subgenres is dumb.

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Diamhea
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:03 am

Please don't use the argument "But there are x number of bands on the site that fit parameter y" - as this holds no water in reference to how we appraise metalness.

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Lane
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Joined: Sat Nov 09, 2002 11:54 am
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Location: Finland

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:57 am

Indian band Midhaven has been blacklisted. I found out that they have a full-length album sold digitally, and apparently there is a CD version too. Links below. Isn't the band a valid entry for MA now?

'Spellbound' full-length album available for free: http://midhaven.bandcamp.com/releases

'Spellbound' CD sold out: http://www.flipkart.com/spellbound/p/itmdu865yq6q9g72

'Spellbound' at Amazon.com as mp3: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_ ... s=midhaven

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Azmodes
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:03 am

Predominantly prog rock.

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reedx032
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:21 pm

Azmodes wrote:

Predominantly prog rock.

Apparently I am amongst many who "don't know metal from their ass" since although I've never heard Spellbound before, the recent release on bandcamp above sounds pretty metal to me. If not, you'd better remove anything Mastodon's done since Blood Mountain.

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Zodijackyl
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:30 pm

reedx032 wrote:

Azmodes wrote:

Predominantly prog rock.

This is covered in the rules.

"Generally, for a band to be accepted into the encyclopedia it must have released at least one fully, unambiguously heavy metal album."

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MutantClannfear
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:24 pm

Encenathrakh were in the band queue a few months ago, but were rejected. I'd consider submitting them again myself, but first I'd like to know why they didn't make it through the first time. Is it because of the price of the album on Bandcamp? http://encenathrakh.bandcamp.com/

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PDS
The Folk One

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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:34 pm

Lol dude, it is a 700$ album. Not worth it, especially for BDM. For a digital album we aren't counting it as a legit release.

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MutantClannfear
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:39 pm

You're so mean to Best Genre, PDS. ;_; But okay, just checking.

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The Folk One

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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:46 pm

*slowly strokes his 7 H.Target discography* I'm just mean to straight up BDM, I like my tech BDM.

But yeah, if the band ever actually decides to lower the price, submit them.

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Azmodes
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:06 pm

What're they trying to pull here anyway?

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The Folk One

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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:10 pm

Concerning the year, they probably uploaded it with joke price and forgot about it totally after a couple months.

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MutantClannfear
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:30 pm

It's a band featuring members of high-profile projects like Gorguts and Beneath the Arctopus, so I'm not so sure they'd totally forget about it. Perhaps they uploaded it to Bandcamp as a teaser and are currently looking for a suitable label to release it.

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Badbulon
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:23 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:16 pm

Why the Spanish Black Metal band ''Silence The Earth'' is blacklisted?

This band released a split http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Sh ... _EP/361445 and the music is Black Metal with Neoclassical and Ambient influences.

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Azmodes
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:22 pm

More ambient than metal.

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Badbulon
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:30 pm

Azmodes wrote:

More ambient than metal.

I'm sorry, but I think the moderator didn't pay enough attention.

Try this song: https://soundcloud.com/silence-the-eart ... vm-nostrvm (This one is included in the split)

From another release: https://soundcloud.com/silence-the-earth/4-nemesis

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Nomore13
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:18 am
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:31 pm

Band "Irreversible Mechanism":

Quote:

"This band has been rejected by the moderators for the following reason:

"Wait until this is actually released.

A band needs a valid release before they can be accepted to the site - a valid release is one that's either:

Distributed in physical form (CD, CDr, DVD, tape, vinyl, etc)
Digital and available for full download: must also be a finished/final mix (no garage rehearsals or rough mixes), AND long enough (preferably over 20 minutes)
Already released. That is, no upcoming releases!

To prove this, you must include one of the following:
PHYSICAL RELEASES: Include photographic evidence (such as this or this) and upload them to a site like Imgur.com. Optionally, if you don't have access to any of the copies, you can include links to sites like BigCartel or a label's page that's selling them, or officially announced them as available for ordering.
DIGITAL-ONLY RELEASES: Include links to sites like Bandcamp, iTunes, Amazon, etc, to where the release can be purchased or downloaded.
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Please review our submission rules before trying to re-submit it.

Keep in mind that all modifications are logged; if this band has been rejected before, the moderators will know, so do not try to resubmit without revising your submission.

If you want to object to this rejection, please do so in the appropriate thread in the "Suggestions and Complaints" sub-forum."

Answer:

http://www.blood-music.com/store-eu/pro ... roduct=572

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Azmodes
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:38 pm

Nomore13:

Rejection message wrote:

"Wait until this is actually released."

Your link wrote:

THIS IS A PRE-ORDER AND WILL BE RELEASED ON OR AROUND MARCH 31ST, 2015.

Badbulon: Seems the band's material was already judged back in 2012: viewtopic.php?p=2112823#p2112823 Two tracks on a split is not exactly grounds for whitelisting (one seems to be ambient anyway).

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Nomore13
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:44 pm

Azmodes wrote:

Nomore13:

Rejection message wrote:

"Wait until this is actually released."

Your link wrote:

THIS IS A PRE-ORDER AND WILL BE RELEASED ON OR AROUND MARCH 31ST, 2015.

Badbulon: Seems the band's material was already judged back in 2012: viewtopic.php?p=2112823#p2112823 Two tracks on a split is not exactly grounds for whitelisting (one seems to be ambient anyway).

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Irr ... 3540392793 Band "Irreversible Mechanism" formed in 2013 ! Irreversible Mechanism has no relation to the "Silence The Earth".Band plays technical death metal. why she has no right to be on the site? evidence of the release is.

https://pp.vk.me/c625829/v625829013/185 ... zmmiA4.jpg
http://www.blood-music.com/store-eu/pro ... roduct=572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybtw2MRt6-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0B768i_ONU

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Azmodes
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:56 pm

Wait. Until. The. Album. Is. Released. We require bands to have at least one valid release. A valid release is, among other things, defined as already being out and available.

Also the part about Silence the Earth was addressed to Badbulon, not you.

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Postmantwice
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:15 pm

Spoiler: show

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MutantClannfear
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:03 pm

Dude, WTF? That post was over six months old... :scratch:

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controldenied0
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Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:52 pm
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Location: United Kingdom

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:19 am

Hey
On the topic of the whole 'wait to be released' thing, i was hoping to ask a question.
I added the upcoming death metal supergroup 'gruesome' a while back, but was rejected and told to wait for the release. Fair enough.
Their album has been announced for release in April. Someone else has added the band to the submission queue, it's not a problem.
The band has been in the queue for about 4 days now.
Yesterday I added the upcoming death metal supergroup Alkaloid, album due to be released tomorrow.
It was rejected within the same day, but the submission for gruesome remains in the queue.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gruesome/3540392689
Why was my page rejected on the same day, with the album due to be released in 2 days or whatever, and the gruesome page with 2 months waiting for their album, still in the queue?

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controldenied0
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Location: United Kingdom

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:30 am

Nomore13 wrote:

And on the topic of Irreversible Mechanism, their album was released back in december, but quickly pulled after Blood Music's distribution offer.
I don't know if that counts, probably not.
https://www.facebook.com/IrreversibleMe ... 2492565648

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theunrelentingattack
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:40 am

controldenied0 wrote:

Why was my page rejected on the same day, with the album due to be released in 2 days or whatever, and the gruesome page with 2 months waiting for their album, still in the queue?

Nothing more then coincidence. Alll the mods don't necessarily go in order in the queue. Someone hit yours before we hit Gruesome. It will be rejected as well.

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oogboog
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:40 pm

Exegutor from Belarus was already blacklisted for being more on the punk side, but I wonder if this is enough to warrant their removal? I'm not too familiar with crust punk, so I need to see if someone else can determine it.

http://satanath.bandcamp.com/album/sat1 ... -hell-2015

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MasterOfSin
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:59 am

Hi,
a few days ago the submission of the band Bergsvriden, was rejected by the follow reason : "A band needs a valid release before they can be accepted to the site".
My question is, if a band put their álbum on Facebook for free download is considered a valid release? or depends?

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The Folk One

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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:03 am

Depends. In the facebook music player, no. If it is one of those DDL sites like Mediafire, then it must be linked by the band. Other than that, bandcamp is preferable or itunes.

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MasterOfSin
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:07 am

Ok,
It is on the player but not stream you can donwload the music.
https://www.facebook.com/Bergsvriden/ap ... e_internal

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The Folk One

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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:10 am

MasterOfSin wrote:

Ok,
It is on the player but not stream you can donwload the music.
https://www.facebook.com/Bergsvriden/ap ... e_internal

Uhh dude, you might want to reread my comment.

Quote:

In the facebook music player, no.

That is definitely the facebook player.

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MasterOfSin
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:11 am

Ok, thanks.

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bluwarguy
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Posts: 161
Location: Iowa, United States

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:18 pm

I have to prove that my demo is actually distributed in physical form. Would selling physical CD's and cassetes on bandcamp qualify as proof?

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The Folk One

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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:54 pm

Yes, it would.

That or you could just link a picture of the Cds/Cassettes en masse to show there are just more than like 7.

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bluwarguy
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:57 pm

thank you!

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