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Yes haven't you got a paper round to finish inhumanist?


oh bollocks I just re-read it

NO, but I still use DC at times. What's the 21st century alternative to these things? Going on google and searching for a blog? Always seemed suspect to me/less reliable/desirable. Torrents are ok though I suppose.

Blogs were ok until megeaupload was taken down and all the other media sharing sites cowered in fear, now I can't find anything using them so I just stick to soulseek.

You refer to yourself in plural? Interesting.

Isn't P2P a bit unsafe? I'd rather stick to torrents. Regarding sharehosters there is mega.co.nz now, and narod.ru which are both excellent and widely used now. Mega is Kim Dotcom's site (the Megaupload guy) and I haven't seen one broken Mega link yet and narod is Russian and doesn't seem to give a shit about our copyright laws.

Yes we do, because we can afford it.

Well they did help abolish slavery.........but didn't they also technically start it too?

I'm not entirely sure, but I think it was the Spanish/Portuguese in the early colonisation period and Britain joined much later.

What are you guys on about? Slavery predates Britain by thousands of years. Of course if they want to lay claim to that too...

EDIT: The post I was addressing dissapeared! I guess it was deleted...

Good point, I meant modern slavery. Probably should have distinguished that, the slavery that Cameron is saying the British helped end (African slavery) was either started by them or the Spanish or Portuguese. I'm no historian so I can't say who did it first but it's no doubt the British empire had a huge hand in establishing African slavery.

I'm pretty sure it was Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands, Britain. In that order.

An interesting fact I recently learned is that the colonialist nations largely just bought slaves from local slave traders. These slaves were normally people defeated in war and enslaved by the victors. So you could say that modern slavery was merely the internationalisation of pre-existing local slave trade. TMYK

Maybe, if you are using Ares to download porn or things like that. The problem lies in downloading executable files(.exe and etc), but since soulseek is for music it doesn't have this problem. I think you are also less likely to be tracked down by the gubmentz for piracy than using torrent, but I can't say fror sure.



I think it was the Portuguese who started, during the the 16th century, but during the 17th and 18th, where most of the slave trade took place, Britain was one the biggest slave traders.
The Spanish prefered to enslave the native population though, while the Portuguese, English, French the Dutch used mostly african slaves, with the first three being the biggest perpetrators.
It was born out of trading partnership between the europeans and african kingdoms, who captured and sold the slaves. Europed tapped into a problem in Africa and turned it into millionary business.

But of course, as Abominatrix said, they are free to claim this "honor" for themselves lol

Don't you think the profits promised by colonialists made it more appealing to them, potentially increasing the volumes substantially?

There was also a multitude of slaves that were sold away by their own tribes.

Yeah, well, someone had to provide colonialists, and it's not like slavery was a taboo to them.
I thought most slaves were prisioners of war though.

Interestingly, while the european powers were partaking in the african slave trade, the european population were getting enslaved by Ottoman pirates. Supposedly more than 1million europeans from the Mediterranean to as far as Iceland were captured in raids and sold as slaves by the Ottomans during the 16th~19th

I'm not accusing you guys of doing this (especially since you're Europeans and South Americans) but here in the U.S. you hear the "well slavery was only a thing because Africans already did it and eagerly sold their slaves to white Europeans" argument all the time from slavery/Confederate apologists. Sure, you can say it's human nature to be greedy, but the only reason this happened to the extent that it did is because Europeans were simultaneously flexing their imperialist muscles in Africa, creating the sorts of economies there that would benefit (short term, anyway) from a ramped-up slave trade in the first place.

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<mindshadow>And to think people here still think Britainamerica is a democracy what with television programmers brainwashing the willing, a certain one in particular. In the 70's with the Brighton-Houghton years, politics and society and immigrants, huff chuff, freedoms all gone, look at that spaceship:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23992647

DRONES KILLING PEOPLE HERE IN AMERICASHIRE
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No it was definitely the Italians! They enslaved loads of us Celts, Spartacus was a slave don't forget, then there was the Arabs...

If we are talking about the actual start of slavery we are probably talking about the agricultural /neolithic revolution. Before the existence of real settlements and agriculture there wouldn't be any benefits to holding slaves, actually just the opposite. So yeah, damn those farmers.

@ iambatman
I didn't mean to imply that, like I said, the europeans exploited something already existing in Africa and took it to unprecedent levels. And if in the USA there is this kind of argument, here in Brazil there is the very simplistic idea that a lot of people endorse, that Europe was the beginning and end of slavery, being the sole ones to capture, sell, buy and employ slaves.



And the Babylonians and Indians were using slaves while the Romans were still living in mudhuts. It has probably been going since the first monkey-man realized that through regular beatings and chest-thumping he could make other monkey-man catch food for him while he relaxed

Slavery in Rome, Egypt, etc. was a lot different than slavery in the New World, though. There wasn't really the whole racist aspect of it, and it wasn't on nearly as large and brutal a scale.

The slaves were mostly war conquests opposed to the inhuman human thievery made in Africa during the Renaissance. Not really comparable, yeah.

Considering white people considered themselves superior and were devoutly religious makes looking at others as inferior because of their skin colour even more abhorrent than slavery in antiquity, but after reading about Spartacus and his army, more brutal?

Though thinking about 9 million souls and knowing details about the ships, maybe your right.

Fuck the agricultural revolution. Ruined everything.

Eerily accurate

Earlier this year, I got an Akita puppy, fully knowing they shed fur like motherfuckers. She whent through her first shedding sometime ago and holy shit, my backyard turned white with dog fur. I could make blankets and sweaters using it.

Well think of it like this; if you learn how to sew, then you'll never be cold in the winter again.

You know, the only Ayreon album I've listened to thoroughly is The Human Equation, and I appreciate it, but The Theory of Everything sounds like a bloated monstrosity.

Could be worse. You could have one of these instead.





Looks like a fucking man-bear-lion. Imagine breaking into someone's house and seeing....that.

I have to insist; Tibetan Mastiffs aren't dogs. They're fucking Monster Hunter critters.

My little sister wants to get one of those. She thinks they're adorable.

Good like finding a pet-sitter...

And I thought my dog was big.

I approve of your sister's idea. They are adorable, in a murderous way.

No, the slave trade within Africa changed massively in scale and nature when white people showed up. It went from an endemic trade mostly in war captives (often under terms much more lenient than colonial chattel slavery, where slaves would go free after a certain period, or they could earn their own freedom or get freedom for their children) to entire sections of central Africa being depopulated by slave catchers to feed the European slavery machine. They'd round up entire villages and march them to the coasts to sell to Europeans. Later the Europeans established their own outposts in Africa to cut out the middleman and kidnap their own slaves. Until the Atlantic slave trade mostly closed, many slaves lived only a few years before being literally worked to death and replaced with new slaves (they actually did math to work out the best value for their money; IIRC in 18th century North America it was considered most economical for a slave to last around seven years). The closing of the Atlantic slave trade meant that slaves had to at least not be worked to death before they could breed their own replacements.

Also elites in colonized nations have always been co-opted or wormed their way into the imperialist systems of the colonizers. This does not shift the blame of victimizing the colonized people away from the colonizers in any way. What Europe did to Africa was fucking evil on a scale only approached by the worst 20th century mass murders and the American Indian genocides (which were also mostly perpetrated by white people of various sorts. Go us ).


But they make up for it with their wolfy adorableness. :3

Until they tell you to go fuck yourself when you want them to do something, anyway. Spitz breeds are not so big on the whole "obedience" thing unless you have a really dominant personality.

The Theory of Everything. That's pretty fucking funny.

At the end of the album, does Arjen Lucassen's ass become a singularity that sucks up the entire universe?

You do know that it's a thing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything

And Emp is a reporter, I bet he didn't really investigated that!

Eh, fair enough. I guess I would have expected a little bit less of a blunt reference is all. Not really Ayreon's style though, given their themes and such.

Who would've thought that the most spirit-crushing entity in the entire universe was a Flash-based Winnie the Pooh game about baseball?

If you get to Owl, be prepared to swear upon everything that is holy to you.