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HerrDerQual
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:31 pm 
 

The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
It's a reference to Neue Deutsche Welle (New German Wave), which is what German new wave bands got labelled in the 80s.

Ah.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:19 am 
 

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I can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned pornogrind yet haha

Because Lolicore is much more obnoxious.

Very True, though both are too obnoxious for words. I can't bring myself to even try to listen too/understand this music.
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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:59 pm 
 

MalignantThrone wrote:
Not really a "silly" genre name, but it always drives me nuts when people try to label bands like Cephalotripsy as "slamming guttural brutal death metal". Not only is that retardedly long, but it's dreadfully redundant (90% of those bands use gutturals, and literally all of them are intrinsically brutal death metal). Just call it "slam death metal" or "slam", fuck.

Slam death metal is a useless genre name anyway. Do we need 'tremolo black metal' because some bands make a gimmick of playing nothing but tremolo riffs?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:52 pm 
 

I would consider it more of a style within a subgenre rather than a hard-set subgenre itself, sort of equivalent to "bestial black metal" or "torture doom". It's a handy tag either way, in my opinion, as it helps distinguish thick and slow BDM bands (which I love) from the relentlessly technical, spazzy ones (which I'm not really a fan of).
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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:42 pm 
 

Aren't the technical BDM bands usually labelled as technical brutal death metal?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:33 pm 
 

Well, yes, but in my mind that's just as insignificant of a descriptor as "slam death metal" is. Point is that they're not really subgenres themselves, more like styles that, when labeled, serve as helpful divisions of one particular subgenre which can go in one of two relatively different directions.
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Det_Morkettall
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:48 pm 
 

God I hate the term "porngrind". A silly name for even sillier music.
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Corpus_Chain
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:09 am 
 

Nu-NRG

it's a form of aggressive trance music. Sounds great, stupid name.

Drumstep.

Drum n bass with snare and kick drums in a four to the floor rhythm at half the original tempo, so it sounds like dubstep. Hence drum-step.
Logical, but sounds kinda silly.

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Panflute
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:00 pm 
 

Blackgaze. Stupid pretentious invention.
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Ancient_Sorrow
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:52 pm 
 

I'm sure it's already been said in this thread, but do you ever sit back for a moment and go "hang on a minute... we listen to a genre of music called Heavy Metal... heavy... metal. I occasionally do.
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Rob1
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:29 pm 
 

I know where you're coming from. Like if most metals aren't heavy per se!
Just like Hard Rock. Every rock is hard so........!

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Menternor
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:50 am 
 

But if you see it like that, then every single genre in existence has a silly name.

Rock and Roll? Blues? Pop? Did the music industry or the public in general decide to use random words from their scrabble games to describe their music?

No sir, this thread is for those genres with names that are beyond silly and which won't make you think at all how they were originated but about how stupid they sound...or at least that's what I understood :P
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Ancient_Sorrow
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:10 am 
 

Very true - arguably, I guess "pop" is the least oddly named of those mentioned, being an abbreviation of popular, while the others are more arbitrary. The same goes for classical and folk.

Heavy Metal sounds like what it is - That's probably the finest feature of it as a genre name.

Ultimately, I could bite the bullet and suggest that the way we handle music as a whole is quite "silly" :P Most of our depictions and descriptions of music rely on conflating the senses and appealing to non-sound-based descriptives like "heavy", like some kind of folk-synaesthesia.

I digress, rather.
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Rob1
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:13 pm 
 

Menternor wrote:
But if you see it like that, then every single genre in existence has a silly name.

Rock and Roll? Blues? Pop? Did the music industry or the public in general decide to use random words from their scrabble games to describe their music?

No sir, this thread is for those genres with names that are beyond silly and which won't make you think at all how they were originated but about how stupid they sound...or at least that's what I understood :P

Since I am the topic starter I think I am allowed a little leeway in what I bring up.
Of course I do know where it's coming from, I was merely reflecting on what the poster above me said.
Heavy Metal comes from the song Born To Be Wild by Steppenwolf and is since then used for music that was heavier in style than Hard Rock (which of course is a very good description since it is Rock and Roll music (stems from the movements made while dancing to it) that is a bit harder in style).

But let's continue with silly genre names. What about Hip Hop?
Are these people hipping and hopping to and fro or something?

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Menternor
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:01 pm 
 

The names "rap" and "hip hop" are kind of okay in comparison to the sub-genres they spawn.

Witness nerdcore, trip hop and other examples listed in wikipedia.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:06 pm 
 

Randomly searching wikipedia, and I found this: Riot Grrrl. I mean...GRRRL? It is supposed to be some sort of Feminist Punk Rock that even has it's own scene in Washington D.C., this is coming from wikipedia but something spelled Riot Grrrl is too silly to even repudiate.

More non-metal examples: Indie Rock...Independent Rock...Going just by the term itself, doesn't that make lie 75% of Metal "Independent Rock" bands on a technical standpoint?

But...The most Silly genre name, the French Pop genre called "Yé-yé". It literally means "Yeah! Yeah!" or the like.

"Hey Joachuin, what type of music are you listening too?"

"Yé-yé"

"Yeah, tell me?"

"Yé-yé"

"Don't just agree with me, tell me the name of the fuckin' music."

Sounds like a bad Abbott and Costello Rip off.
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Big_Grand
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:32 pm 
 

does spooky metal exist yet? some kind of off-shoot of dark metal, using fisher price bells and stomach slapping blast beats perhaps.

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Subrick
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:24 am 
 

I've never heard the term "spooky metal". I can't stop chuckling at how silly it sounds.

I think Oi! just sounds really dumb. Punk it seems just likes to give things really goofy names.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:22 pm 
 

Corpus_Chain wrote:
Nu-NRG

it's a form of aggressive trance music. Sounds great, stupid name.

Drumstep.

Drum n bass with snare and kick drums in a four to the floor rhythm at half the original tempo, so it sounds like dubstep. Hence drum-step.
Logical, but sounds kinda silly.


This. Not to mention I'm not a fan of the music. I'd rather just listen to drum and bass or dubstep, inevitable as it was for the two to be fused together officially as a sub-genre.

Now for my genre name hate: brostep. What in the name of all fuck is that? Ok, so American and Canadian producers(i.e Skrillex, Datsik, Excision, etc.) decided to take the primary focus of the bass in dubstep out of the sub or low-level range, bring it to the mid-level range, chop the wobbles into smaller pieces with a much more over-driven, aggressive sound, and, for good measure, pretty much use the spliced wobble patterns as guitar riffs to ensure that the music is essentially a replica of a metal or hardcore breakdown.

What kind of people did this new sound attract? Fraternity brothers. Go fucking figure. I remember when this movement really took off literally entire raves would be dominated by frat guys, "bros," who were too drunk to function, disliked anything that wasn't dubstep, and essentially were looking to make their presence known to a group of people who honestly didn't really appreciate it. I realize that sounds fairly biased of me to say, but to be fair, I attended raves and festivals with various promoters in a few different states and the situation was virtually the same. These people were pouring into hippie festivals for god's sake! Demanding "BASS BRO! DUUUUBSTEP BRO!" It was just not fun. To put it mildly, they were very resented.

Ultimately all of this led to the high driven, high energy, aggressive dubstep bring labeled "brostep." It is ridiculous to me that the term is used in serious conversations to discuss what is essentially a bastardized version of a genre that used to hold a considerable amount of esteem and respect alongside other electronic genres. I guess it was inevitable that the heavy and dissonant potential of dubstep would be exploited, I just wish it didn't have to be associated with "get drunk and fuck shit up" brotastic bros. Blegh.

If I sound butt hurt about this, it's because quite frankly, I am. I used to adore dubstep when it first came into the party scene. It was wonderfully different. Now I may as well be listening to a metalcore band.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:07 am 
 

I'm going to drag something in from the latest Varg nonsense blog post from this thread. http://thuleanperspective.com/2013/03/0 ... actise-ii/

His music isn't black metal, it is "Scaldic metal/music". Pretentious, though that's the least offensive part of the blog.

And why use Scald instead of Skald which I think might be the correct version of the word he's looking for? If we were to take things to a ridiculous length, scalding is an adjective for really hot liquid or gas capable of burning. Scalding music, hot shit! Maybe Varg is full of hot air.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:21 pm 
 

SladeCraven wrote:
Corpus_Chain wrote:
Nu-NRG

it's a form of aggressive trance music. Sounds great, stupid name.

Drumstep.

Drum n bass with snare and kick drums in a four to the floor rhythm at half the original tempo, so it sounds like dubstep. Hence drum-step.
Logical, but sounds kinda silly.


This. Not to mention I'm not a fan of the music. I'd rather just listen to drum and bass or dubstep, inevitable as it was for the two to be fused together officially as a sub-genre.

Now for my genre name hate: brostep. What in the name of all fuck is that? Ok, so American and Canadian producers(i.e Skrillex, Datsik, Excision, etc.) decided to take the primary focus of the bass in dubstep out of the sub or low-level range, bring it to the mid-level range, chop the wobbles into smaller pieces with a much more over-driven, aggressive sound, and, for good measure, pretty much use the spliced wobble patterns as guitar riffs to ensure that the music is essentially a replica of a metal or hardcore breakdown.

What kind of people did this new sound attract? Fraternity brothers. Go fucking figure. I remember when this movement really took off literally entire raves would be dominated by frat guys, "bros," who were too drunk to function, disliked anything that wasn't dubstep, and essentially were looking to make their presence known to a group of people who honestly didn't really appreciate it. I realize that sounds fairly biased of me to say, but to be fair, I attended raves and festivals with various promoters in a few different states and the situation was virtually the same. These people were pouring into hippie festivals for god's sake! Demanding "BASS BRO! DUUUUBSTEP BRO!" It was just not fun. To put it mildly, they were very resented.

Ultimately all of this led to the high driven, high energy, aggressive dubstep bring labeled "brostep." It is ridiculous to me that the term is used in serious conversations to discuss what is essentially a bastardized version of a genre that used to hold a considerable amount of esteem and respect alongside other electronic genres. I guess it was inevitable that the heavy and dissonant potential of dubstep would be exploited, I just wish it didn't have to be associated with "get drunk and fuck shit up" brotastic bros. Blegh.

If I sound butt hurt about this, it's because quite frankly, I am. I used to adore dubstep when it first came into the party scene. It was wonderfully different. Now I may as well be listening to a metalcore band.


Pretty much my thoughts. when the UK version first started showing up I had high hopes as I'm a fan of SCORN etc - dark, slow, dissonant bass music. What it turned into is just vile and I cannot stand it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:28 pm 
 

iAm wrote:
Because Lolicore is much more obnoxious.


I know someone that basically calls themselves "Loli" because they dislike their actual name and until now I'd avoided making the connection. Not sure if I know find this amusing or slightly horrifying.

"Gabba" annoys me mostly because it just reminds me of the puppet off The Simpsons.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:36 pm 
 

Hardcore nu-style Rotterdam Gabbo!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:52 am 
 

elf48687789 wrote:
Yes, that would describe "modern emo" I guess, with the 90s pop-punk vocals.

Here is what it sounded like in the 1980s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQUS6dDczus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGyNGCtnKqY
Husker Du probably sounded a lot more Rites of Spring than any other band (even lyrically similar to a certain extent), but the term "emo" was only used in the Washington D.C. area.

Probably some similarity (although a different style) with the NYC scene, early Sonic Youth/Glen Branca scene but not as experimental and not the same.

Screamo was kind of similar but screamed vocals.


The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
That's because, despite what the popular culture tells you, Skrillex and his ilk are not dubstep. The mainstream media (and fans of the artists) refers to them as dubstep in the same way they referred to Linkin Park as metal.

Real dubstep is a genre of fairly chilled and atmospheric electronica originating in London. Note both the focus on smooth sub tones over mid-range and the clear dub influence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX8HBdBHCP4


I still dont like either of those but its still interesting to hear what they were before they completely regressed into the trash they are today.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:32 am 
 

TheUglySoldier wrote:
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The term Progressive derives from bands like Yes (in the 70's) and was and is used to describe bands who use several riffs played over different rhythms.


Progressive, to my knowledge, was more used to describe the bands that were "progressing" rock music at the time, by playing quite out there stuff. King Crimson, Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer, etc were all fairly different stylistically, I don't know if it rigidly meant "several riffs over different rhythms". That's my understanding of the term, anyway.

"Progressive" refers to the progressive radio format that appeared during the late 1960s, where the DJs had a lot of latitude and as long as they played rock music, could put on pretty much anything they wanted. The sorts of bands progressive radio stations tended to give airtime to (and that were ignored by other radio formats) became known as progressive rock. The progressive radio format died out due to the commercialization of radio in the late '70s and '80s, so "progressive" nowadays pretty much means "musically related to or using characteristics from the original progreesive rock movement", or more recently, "we play funny rhythms really fast and write ten-minute songs".
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