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severzhavnost
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:53 am 
 

Econ +1.25 Authoritarian +5.13
Hmm... I guess this test can't distinguish between personal and political values. A lot of things that I have strong judgments for/against in personal day-to-day experience, i would never touch if i had political power! Like the question "these days openness about sex has gone too far." Indeed it has, but i am pretty much allergic to using the state to censor such openness.

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caspian
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:03 am 
 

Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08

Drifted a long way left it seems; I was right at 0,0 for quite a while.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:11 am 
 

also, a social democrat on that other one, apparently..
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This makes a lot of sense and I'm quite happy with what it says about me; basically I'm centrist/pragmatic on most issues but quite the communist with economy related issues, and quite the raging christian whenever that applies. Feels good man
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:38 am 
 

Subrick wrote:
I'm just waiting for our first authoritarian here.


There was probably already one before you posted, but the questions here are framed such a way you'd practically have to be an outright goose-stepper for your dot to be in the upper half.

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I'd probably be near or just edging over the line between the green and red corners if all the questions weren't like, "Do you think delinquent kids should be killed and harvested for their organs Y/N?"

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When I first came across the libertarian/authoritarian distinction, I grudgingly resigned myself to identifying with the latter, as I quite strongly disagreed with the minimal state intervention/Nozick model; these days, I refuse to do that - I reject the notion that fascism is basically a radicalisation of views that I hold, that taking welfare or public healthcare etc. further would inevitably result in fascism - but I wouldn't want to call myself a libertarian because I want to distance myself from the minimal state intervention/Nozickian model. And saying that "I'm a libertarian when it comes to civil/civic rights, but an authoritarian when it comes to taxation/welfare/healthcare" seems too cumbersome and confusing. And it'd leave the notion of individual freedom and rights to be associated with the term 'libertarian', which is something that bothers me; libertarianism advocates a particular kind of freedom, it isn't the only view of freedom or individual rights.

Actual fascism is a long fucking way from social democracy. Fascism means the government organizing and aligning every sphere of life, no matter how small and private, towards glorifying itself, where you must not only submit to the tyrannical authority but be outright enthusiastic about The Glorious Leader. There is no credible fascist movement anywhere in the Western world except maybe the Golden Dawn.

I would describe myself as being left-wing and somewhere on the border between social democrat and democratic socialist, although I'm a bit reluctant to identify as "democratic socialist" because that descriptor covers a lot of anti-state crazies (government BAD! Our socialist utopia will run on good vibes and unicorn farts without any of that pesky state business!) as well as people who want to do away with markets entirely instead of just strictly control them and enact redistributive economic policies.

OK, this is just not right:

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Maybe I shouldn't have clicked the weighting button on that animal rights question. :lol: (and since when did animal rights have anything to do with protecting the environment so we don't fuck up the thing keeping us all alive?)

And as far as I'm concerned, "pacifism/militarism" is situational. I support a greatly reduced American military and an end to our foreign wars, because we Americans have the luxury of deciding when and where to fight wars, and the ability to decide not to fight at all. I think the idea of being a pacifist in a country vulnerable to attack by neighboring states, on the other hand, is not noble but just plain stupid. It's easy to say "let's beat our swords into plowshares" when you have more swords than you could ever possibly need and in a geographical position where no enemies could feasibly attack you anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:26 pm 
 

Patriotic Social Democrat
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I expected at least 65% on ecological, and a bit more on anarchistic. Ultimately it boils down to "lazy misanthropic ass who likes trees"

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:01 pm 
 

So accordingly I'm a right-wing libertarian. Interesting!! I've always wondered where on the political spectrum I was... I think this fits perfectly.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 3:56 am 
 

-5.2
-6.5

Not surprised by this. But I still feel as though this test isn't detailed enough to get a true profile of one's political views.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:51 pm 
 

Being a communist, I get quite far in the bottom left quadrant. Although I don't really feel like taking it again to find out just how far down there I am. Although, I'm not an anarchist, so there's some question about whether I'd be on the up/down axis, what with the transitional period and so on.
I think political compass is kind of ridiculous at making everyone out to be left-libertarians of some kind or another.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:59 pm 
 

BeholdtheNicktopus wrote:
Being a communist, I get quite far in the bottom left quadrant. Although I don't really feel like taking it again to find out just how far down there I am. Although, I'm not an anarchist, so there's some question about whether I'd be on the up/down axis, what with the transitional period and so on.
I think political compass is kind of ridiculous at making everyone out to be left-libertarians of some kind or another.

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Thank you. I've mentioned this before. Three pronged test is much better.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:25 pm 
 

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.23

The economic feels accurate for me, as a non-overly egalitarian socialist, seeing it as most beneficial to society as a whole, rather than choosing between feeding the top 5% or the bottom 20%.
As far as the social one goes, I expected to end up more to the authoritarian side - while I'm pretty lbieral towards things like abortion, homosexuality, marijuana, anti-gun and anti-death penalty, I'm all for strong, respectable government raising a disciplined society, and what I thought would put me way higher are my strong anti-immigrant and racist answers that probably only people who would've gotten 7+ on the vertical scale would pick. What brought me way down were all ticks on "strongly disagree" on the religion page, I guess

The second one:
You are a Leftist-Fascist. 5 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 5 percent are more extremist than you.
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The weird "leftist-fascist" sounds like an insult taken from mouths of my country's conservative liberal politicians' mouths, so I guess the term satisfies me. The nationalist-cosmopolitan, secular-fundamentalist, anarchistic-authoritarian, communistic-capitalistic axes don't surprise me much. I don't know why I'm only 2% "visionary" though, as I oppose preserving old order just because it's old and maybe even worked once, historically speaking I applaud French revolution as well as various peaceful liberal changes that apparently should have crushed the pillars of our latin civilisation. The 37% militaristic would be accurate if it was the result of various domestic policies rather than foreign policy view. The ecological - anthropocentric is really problematic too - I see myself as an evniromentalist, support (well, with facebook likes...) ecologists even when the majority of society is being pissed off with them (i.e. for blocking highway buildings). I believe in, excuse me, acknowledge global warming, and while I'm pro-atom I'd support ecological sources of energy otherwise. All that said, I'm for protecting environment for our human good rather than for the environment itself, and that's why I think experimenting on animals is fine. In the end I believe in complete supremacy of human specie over the Earth which obviously makes the anthropocentric position accurate - just that my anthropocentrism is not as short-sighted as the libertarians' (sorry if it's too straw man) "snow in May, global warming NWO conspiracy".

Edit: One of the things I also find is wrong is putting the forced labour as a manner of punishment put along with physical punishment or even death penalty. I'm not for strictening the law (except for financial crimes and corruption), but all the increases of prisoners' living costs even in Poland leads to absurds like conditions for prisoners being higher than for peasants, or the sentenced not serving their punishment because of full prisons, basically giving the rightwingers a free wild card to pull out in their pro-death discussions. I don't think forcing somebody to work (under proper conditions) is any less humane than forcing him to sit in a cell for almost entirety of the day, hell I'm sure most of prisoners willing to rehabilitate would prefer this themselves. Less controversially, a properly implemented system where working shortens your sentence would be great, but that's apparently out of question as well it seems...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:42 am 
 

On the political compass test I always end up a left-wing libertarian like everyone else. Mostly because the test is geared towards American politics. It's a pretty gimped and bad test.

On the other test...
You are a tree-hugging militaristic commienazi hippie.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:42 pm 
 

I have taken the Political Compass several times over the eyars but don't feel like taking it again. In general I feel it misses the mark by quite abit. While the questions are alright I feel they arte weighed a little weird making the result unsatisfactory.

In the other test this is my result:

You are a Leftist-Fascist. 5 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 74 percent are more extremist than you.

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Not really surprising. And Im actually fine with the leftist-fascist label as well if we value this term as it was in the early 1900's - not what it means today to many people. Clearly more nationalist than cosmopolitan and a slight favor of authorotarian over anarchist seems accurate. I would say that my vision of a ruling political idea would be more secular than fundamentalist hence Im a little surprised on the result there. The visionary vs reactionary as well - although this is a fine line. In general I prefer traditional morals but since society has moved forward there isnt much to preserve anymore which make my ideal more visionary even though they are based some form of conservative values. No surprise that the economic scale is more oriented towards leftist economic politics rather than right (if the difference is indeed the one made in the test, communebased vs laissez faire).

Where the test fails is in regards to the enviromental question. I did answer that I support some animal testing but in reality Im far more enviromentalist rather than anthropocentric. I would value my own beliefs at at least 50% in favor of ecologial ideology.

The absolutely dead race between pascifist and militaristic is surprising as well. In general Im for a strong military even in times of peace. I am however opposed to the military playing world police, engaging in foreign conflicts or in general push geographical or cultural imperialism. I guss the two takes each other out in this test.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:18 am 
 

Subrick wrote:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

So a few people in the FFA started posting their own results of a political spectrum test that I had initially posted my results for. Since it was on a role for a few posts in that thread, I felt we can have a thread specifically for taking the test, posting our results, and discussing among ourselves our answers and our reasons for answering the way we did.

For starters, here is my original graph.

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Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

In the nearly two years since I first took this, I am a bit more right than I used to be, but I am still pretty much entirely a dirty left wing CommuNazi that wants to take away your guns, God, and make rich people pay more. At least that's what I am according to the modern Republican nutjob.


I don't understand how people who lean more towards libertarianism rather than authoritarianism can favor gun control.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:49 pm 
 

See a guy with a gun. Think he's coming to free you?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:06 pm 
 

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See a guy with a gun. Think he's coming to free you?

He will free me of my possessions and likely of my life as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:27 pm 
 

John_Sunlight wrote:
See a guy with a gun. Think he's coming to free you?


He couldn't "liberate" you if you had a gun.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:25 pm 
 

Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.97

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Frankly, I'm somewhat surprised by the results. I would've never considered myself that far to the Left. I always imagined myself fitting snugly somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum. Though, my deference to authoritarianism doesn't come as a shock to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:38 pm 
 

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64
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Not surprising at all. I'll do the other tests later, I usually have fun doing this kind of thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:07 am 
 

AsinineUsername wrote:

I don't understand how people who lean more towards libertarianism rather than authoritarianism can favor gun control.

That's quite simple, gun control sacrifices a small amount of "freedom to" into much more worthy "freedom from". People leaning towards the libertarian side on the horizontal scale don't have to be "libertarian" in the Libertarian Party style, straight up liberals will end up rather low on the scale. Oh and it's been mentioned already but this quiz indeed qualifies participants too much into the lower-left side, especially if you look how far in the upper right they've placed most of mainstream politicians, even given the huge shift to right-wing in the US.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:00 am 
 

I think it would be interesting for people to post their ages along with their results. Not looking to belittle anyone but there's an old adage that goes something like, 'If you're not a socialist at 20 you haven't got a heart. If you're still a socialist at 40 you haven't got a brain.'

Me, I'm a neo-conservative on one and a strong libertarian with an authoritarian bent on the other. And 38.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:23 am 
 

There are many young people who think socialism is some kind of mental illness. Neoliberalism is all the rage, so much that even former socialist parties are 100% neoliberal these days.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:53 am 
 

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I always end up smack bang in the middle on these things. The first time I took this test I was literally in the middle of the graph. There's so many people leaning to the far left that I feel a bit out of place :lol:

The other test:

You are a National Liberal Democrat . 3 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 31 percent are more extremist than you.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:50 am 
 

I thought I already did this, but since I can't find my post, I'm probably mistaken. In any case:

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My strong opinions on the necessity of environmental standards, on sexual freedom, and the need to limit the atrocities of multinational companies seem to move me to the left and to the "libertarian" direction. I hate the latter, because the ideology sucks, a truly free market will only lead to destruction. I think this somehow connects my ideas of personal freedom to an assumption that I also want corporations to have the freedom to rape the planet. Which is a biased idea, and really about as far from the truth as possible. Corporations need to have clearly defined limits to their businesses. Those limits need to be fair, equally apply to everybody, and they must make sure that while the owners and investors should get their fair share of any successes within the set framework of rules and regulations, the company itself should never have any avoidable negative influences to the greater good. Also, the responsibility should extend to shareholders, in ways that the current stock exchange culture can't do. In other words, I would want Monsanto disbanded, and those who profit from environmental damage punished financially despite any obstacles such as anonymous stock ownership, for example.

We do seem to have an interesting communal strange attractor in the green field here, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:35 am 
 

I'm relatively sure libertarian is meant here in a more general sense meaning any ideology that is on the opposite end of authoritarianism. Free market liberatarianism is one form of libertarianism, anarchism, which believes that capitalism is a form of authoritarianism, is another, even though the former has become almost synonymous with the term in our language. I think that wasn't always the case.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:22 pm 
 

You are a cosmopolitan Social Democrat. 14 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 11 percent are more extremist than you.

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Sounds about right, I'm just not sure how am I supposed to understand the "11% are more extremist than you" part. :P
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:11 pm 
 

Napero wrote:
Corporations need to have clearly defined limits to their businesses. Those limits need to be fair, equally apply to everybody, and they must make sure that while the owners and investors should get their fair share of any successes within the set framework of rules and regulations, the company itself should never have any avoidable negative influences to the greater good. Also, the responsibility should extend to shareholders, in ways that the current stock exchange culture can't do. In other words, I would want Monsanto disbanded, and those who profit from environmental damage punished financially despite any obstacles such as anonymous stock ownership, for example.

Exactly my thoughts on the matter. You just can't leave humanity on its own like this, particularly when we're speaking about people who have money/power, it can be devastating.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:51 pm 
 

Actually also agree very much on that one and also sums up my feelings pretty well. Earning money - of course, that's the point of corporations. Earning money at all costs and disregarding anyone and anything - no, and has no more place in the world.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:24 pm 
 

Napero wrote:
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You must have found this infuriating :-P

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/busin ... nners.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:24 am 
 

Not necessarily, that a prize for developing technology that feed people. Which is OK, as long as it's done in a sensible manner, minimizing risks, and with some ethics. But once they start suing farmers for having, say, wheat that contains their patented modified genes, even if the poor farmer has no way in hell to stop the pollen spreading on the winds from other fields with GM crops, that same technology is being used for pure evil. Also, while increasing staple food yields is OK, I find the idea of narrowing the worldwide genetic foundation of those species scary. We only practically eat one single brand of identical bananas, for example, and if some bug infects that and finds a way to spread around the world, that's the end of bananas as we know them. The same happens to rice, wheat, potatoes, corn, or, Lucifer forbid, barley, and we are up shit creek. A multinational company such as Monsanto, in a perfect position to dictate those things if it happens to suit their interests, is a useless empire of evil, and simply keeps setting us for very big and horrible disaster.

In other words, no, I don't find that infuriating. I like to think I can see different sides of things. Black and white is for youngsters.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:05 am 
 

That prize is Monsanto-co-funded by the way.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:49 am 
 

Meh, both of these tests suck. I'm in the green area in the political compass thing, but I didn't really feel like most of the questions made any sense. If I interpret some of those questions literally, I think I end up answering the exact opposite as they mean. If I try to guess what they are trying to ask really, and which answer means what, I could go wrong too.

Same with the political test one, but to a slightly lesser extent.
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Religious education should be a compulsory subject at all schools.
The resources have to be managed by society.

What do these mean? They came in this order, too. Religious education resources?
Or this?
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It would be good for the public authorities to pay their debts no longer.

But, oh well, I answered something. If being 75% secular means I'm 25% fundamentalist, what the fuck? Other than that, I have no idea if it represents me or not (no morning coffee yet).

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:41 am 
 

"Religious education should be a compulsory subject at all schools." Is pretty self explanatory. Do you want your child to have mandatory religion class or not?
"The resources have to be managed by society." Has nothing to do with the previous question. The resources are food, oil, coal, water etc. and the question is whether they should be controlled by private corporations or be under democratic control.
"It would be good for the public authorities to pay their debts no longer." = Do you think the state should stop paying its debts? What is there not to understand about it?

Being 75% secular does of course not mean you are 25% fundamentalist, it means being 0% fundamentalist. According to this test you cannot be both at the same time, you can only be indifferent (both 0%).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:59 am 
 

inhumanist wrote:
"Religious education should be a compulsory subject at all schools." Is pretty self explanatory. Do you want your child to have mandatory religion class or not?

Define religion class. Teaching one specific religion? The child's own religion? From an objective point of view or a religious teacher teaching religious children? Or a general, neutral information package about religion(s) in general? As comparison, for example sex education is a pretty good thing, and it doesn't (hopefully) involve the kids fucking each other, or the teacher fucking the kids...

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"The resources have to be managed by society." Has nothing to do with the previous question. The resources are food, oil, coal, water etc. and the question is whether they should be controlled by private corporations or be under democratic control.

Oh, that kind of resources. Well, that's still too vague to answer properly, since my answer would slightly depend on the resource in question.

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"It would be good for the public authorities to pay their debts no longer." = Do you think the state should stop paying its debts? What is there not to understand about it?

What debts? If a tiny country would stop paying its national debts to a bigger country, the bigger country probably wouldn't let it do that, or it'd do something similar in return. If a superpower does the same, the outcome is somewhat different. And if we change the scale, for example to city officials, everything - including the possible reasons to pay or not to pay debts - changes. If city officials order a bridge to be constructed from a local construction, but don't pay for it, the impacts will be vastly different from the global equivalent. The impacts will also be different if the company in question is a big multi-national corporation based in a superpower, and the city officials keep swindling them. If a city doesn't pay for a bridge no one probably dies, but if they stop paying the hospital bills, that could chage.

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Being 75% secular does of course not mean you are 25% fundamentalist, it means being 0% fundamentalist. According to this test you cannot be both at the same time, you can only be indifferent (0% both).

Ah, good to know. Makes sense actually, now that I think of it. If I'd be 25% fundamentalist the bar would indicate that. I wonder why I am not 100% secular then, though.
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"Religious education should be a compulsory subject at all schools." Is pretty self explanatory. Do you want your child to have mandatory religion class or not?

Define religion class. Teaching one specific religion? The child's own religion? From an objective point of view or a religious teacher teaching religious children? Or a general, neutral information package about religion(s) in general? As comparison, for example sex education is a pretty good thing, and it doesn't (hopefully) involve the kids fucking each other, or the teacher fucking the kids...

In my country religion class is generally practiced as a forum for the major religions, catholicism and protestantism, to present their teachings to the pupils. There are usually seperate classes for each of the two which exist as alternatives. Usually teachers with a theological background will teach various topics concerning their religion. Other religions and irreligiousness are not excluded from the curriculum, but it will be ca. 90% christianity. Classes for other religions are usually not offered but it could be considered as rather problematic to seperate pupils that much anyways. A class where different religions and the lack thereof are taught about without bias would not be a religion class in the traditional sense.

I'm definitely against this kind of biased religious education, but I agree that the question should be more specific.
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^ Exactly. Personally, I'd like my possible future kids to have a class teaching them how crazy and fucked up remnant of dark, fucked up times religion is, if they haven't already learned that by then. Bit like patriarchism, slavery or racism. Similar information package as there is about the Holocaust.

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Each individual should only be allowed to own so much land as they need for life.

What if you think land shouldn't be owned at all? "I strongly disagree" gives the wrong picture.

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Gender equality is one of the most important social achievements of modern times.

You may value gender equality very highly, but still consider other social achievements more important, but disagreeing probably makes you a sexist redneck.

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The government should interfere with the market development as seldom as possible.

Disagreeing could mean either "Government should never interfere" or "Government should interfer as often as possible", which are two opposites, while "as seldom as possible" is somewhere in between those.

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The atomic arms race effectively prevented a conventional war.

What? I don't understand how agreeing or disagreeing with this is relevant in any way to any political opinion. It's an opinion about a historical event, whatever you answer doesn't imply you think atomic arms race is a better or worse option than a conventional war.

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The most elementary human rights also apply to primates.

Primates aren't humans, so... Should primates have more rights than they do? How about other animals? What do you pick if you think crushing a snail should be murder?

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The consumption of meat is objectionable for ecological, moral and health reasons.

Does this mean "I think eating meat is bad" or that "I think it's reasonable to say eating meat is bad because of those reasons"? Does this also suggest agreeing = thinking it should be banned?

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A nation should potentially be allowed to use military means to secure access to natural resources.

This seems vague and absurd, and doesn't take ecological extremism into account (military means to stop use of natural resources). Also, how about private companies?

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Some nations are superior to others because of their gene pool.

Technically, every nation has a different gene pool, and a gene pool of a nation probably has some effect in how that nation does - whether they're superior or inferior in whatever subject. But does that mean some races are supreme? Chosen races of God/Satan/Hitler? No.

This one I'd reformulate altogether:
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Without believing in a higher power, it is not possible to establish a plausible system of values.
It is not possible to establish a plausible system of values based on a belief in a higher power.


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The only social responsibility of a company is generating profit.

Is this an opinion about a fact or an opinion about how things should be?

Anyway, I'm not asking you (or anyone else) to explain these to me, but I think I could try taking a better test, if there's one.

I also redid this bit more tongue in cheek (plus thinking the questions differently) and got this.
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I can't remember if I posted my results on this political test or not, but I took it again. I ended up in even deeper hippie territory on the war issue than a lot of the left-wingers on this site and in similar territory to Caspian on religion. Otherwise I'm kind of standing alone. lol

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If you're a hippie because of your pacifist-militarist result, I should probably go put some flowers in my hair right now :P (and I'm not a full-on pacifist either, my attitude towards most of the related questions is "yes, but...")
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At 18 I think I fit in well with that adage the other guy mentioned. Call me an idealist (or naive), but since I've never put much value in possessions or had much personal ambition, so I can't quite grasp the need people have to hold on to what I'll admit they've earned.

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I hate the latter, because the ideology sucks, a truly free market will only lead to destruction.


I agree. It's also interesting how unlimited human rights leads to selfishness becoming a dominating force in exactly the same way.

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That's the big challenge for any environmental thinker there. Most people can't handle it.
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I don't really hold most of my opinions particularly strongly, so in a different frame of mind I might easily end up a bit more to one direction or the other while still staying in the green square.

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