Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives

Message board

* FAQ    * Search   * Register   * Login 



Reply to topic
Author Message Previous topic | Next topic
MyrVarg
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:45 pm
Posts: 26
Location: Minnesota, USA
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:36 am 
 

Quote:
Guns N’ Roses, with founding members Axl Rose and Slash, will headline the Coachella Music & Arts Festival in Indio, Calif., set for April 15-17 and April 22-24, according to multiple sources. The reunited band is also negotiating with promoters to play as many as 25 football stadiums in North America in the summer of 2016, and is scheduled to be one of the first acts to play the new Las Vegas Arena, set to open April 6. Guns N' Roses is said to be asking as much as $3 million per show, with tickets topping out in the $250-$275 range.


More here;

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6828129/guns-n-roses-reunion-coachella-stadium-las-vegas

I just wanted to say have fun paying up to $275 to see performances of this caliber live but with Slash.

Youtube: show


Youtube: show


GNR had their chance to be something special but they pissed it all away... well Axl ruined it more than anything but I expect him to probably ruin it again by being 3 hours late to shows, putting on sucky performances, and I can definitely see him going back to his douchey antics ultimately causing Slash or whoever else returns to hate him again by the end of the tour. It will probably end a lot how the KISS reunion with Peter and Ace ended, with the same problems returning (egos, substance abuse, etc) and killing the band all over again.

GNR is irrelevant and washed up now, they definitely do not have the allure of being the 'most dangerous live' band like they did in their heyday. I doubt any of those football stadiums will sell out but there are always those old people who can't let go of the past who may gobble up the tickets along with kids who just want to boast about saying they saw the original GNR live so who knows? Maybe it will generate a lot of cash. Really not worth it in my opinion, there are countless newer bands (that are also way more cheap to see live) that are more exciting that could use the support over GNR.

That's my two cents, what do you think of the reunion?

Top
 Profile  
aaronmb666
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:37 am
Posts: 2244
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:03 am 
 

Not only is that really bad timing to announce it, but at those prices, they need ALL of the original members, not three at most.

Top
 Profile  
PvtNinjer
Veteran

Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:45 am
Posts: 2993
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:46 am 
 

Gross.

Top
 Profile  
FirebathDan
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:32 pm
Posts: 817
Location: Greensboro, NC, US
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:58 pm 
 

Chinese Democracy is one of the best albums ever made.
_________________
Dark Sacrament

Cold Blank Stare

Coagulated Blood

Top
 Profile  
Festivus
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:26 pm
Posts: 462
Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:39 pm 
 

This would have been cool like 10-15 years ago.

FirebathDan wrote:
Chinese Democracy is one of the best albums ever made.

Dunno if you're being serious or not... but nevertheless, it's an underrated album and I'd rather listen to it than to any other GNR album nowadays. Used to like GNR a lot when I began seriously getting into music, but don't really care much about them nowadays.
_________________
Last.FM | Myanimelist | Letterboxd

Top
 Profile  
FirebathDan
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:32 pm
Posts: 817
Location: Greensboro, NC, US
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:05 am 
 

Festivus wrote:
FirebathDan wrote:
Chinese Democracy is one of the best albums ever made.

Dunno if you're being serious or not... but nevertheless, it's an underrated album and I'd rather listen to it than to any other GNR album nowadays. Used to like GNR a lot when I began seriously getting into music, but don't really care much about them nowadays.


100% deadpan, bro.

Maybe it's hyperbolic to say one of the best ever, but easily the best GnR record. The only GnR record I own on vinyl.

As for the topic at hand, despite GnR being formative for me in my youth (first time I ever heard curse words in music-my first foray into more "adult" music) and my general high praise for this band on the record (ChiDem and the Illusions are among the best recorded music), I would never go see this band live, not in 1991, not in 2015, regardless of who's in the lineup.

I'm not putting down $100-300 to sit around for hours on end after the opening band, only for Axl to throw a fit over something and kill the show after 5 songs (sometimes warranted e.g. when objects are thrown) or how he kind of just sucks live these days (he's always been hit or miss live). I know that when they're on, they're on and you get a solid 3-4 hours of career spanning entertainment, but I am just too old, ornery, impatient, and cheap for that.

That said,

FirebathDan wrote:
Chinese Democracy is one of the best albums ever made.
_________________
Dark Sacrament

Cold Blank Stare

Coagulated Blood

Top
 Profile  
Festivus
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:26 pm
Posts: 462
Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:00 pm 
 

FirebathDan wrote:

100% deadpan, bro.

Maybe it's hyperbolic to say one of the best ever, but easily the best GnR record. The only GnR record I own on vinyl.

As for the topic at hand, despite GnR being formative for me in my youth (first time I ever heard curse words in music-my first foray into more "adult" music) and my general high praise for this band on the record (ChiDem and the Illusions are among the best recorded music), I would never go see this band live, not in 1991, not in 2015, regardless of who's in the lineup.

I'm not putting down $100-300 to sit around for hours on end after the opening band, only for Axl to throw a fit over something and kill the show after 5 songs (sometimes warranted e.g. when objects are thrown) or how he kind of just sucks live these days (he's always been hit or miss live). I know that when they're on, they're on and you get a solid 3-4 hours of career spanning entertainment, but I am just too old, ornery, impatient, and cheap for that.

That said,

FirebathDan wrote:
Chinese Democracy is one of the best albums ever made.

I think a lot of people got into GNR as teenagers when they began getting interested in music. Not just rock fans but many metal ones as well, at least from my observation.

I still like GNR's more aggressive songs despite Axl's voice grating my nerves occasionally. What I really don't like are their sappy ballads. Sweet Child O Mine is fine instrumentally wise, but the lyrics and Axl's voice ugh. Appetite is still a pretty solid rock album, regardless. Lies is hit and miss. I kinda forget it exists, tbh. It seems to lack some flavor/personality, dunno. Use Your Illusion I is good for the most part, I guess. Don't care about UYI II except for like two songs and the Spaghetti Incident(was that a Calvin & Hobbes reference?) seems pointless.

Chinese Democracy is a pretty solid album. But it's not really GNR anyways. And I can see why people have been disappointed by it since there was no need to take 15 years to make it.

I'd never see them live nowadays either. Maybe in their prime if I could travel in time and know it'd be a great show.

Btw, I remember almost a decade ago Velvet Revolver coming here and cancelling their concert near its date. Classmates of mine and other people who had tickets for the show were pretty pissed off about it and I recall a couple even stating "these guys are EVEN WORSE than Axl in this aspect!".
_________________
Last.FM | Myanimelist | Letterboxd

Top
 Profile  
Juan Quevedo
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:50 pm
Posts: 21
Location: Colombia
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:34 am 
 

I think most of us have been touched by Guns'n Roses' music at some pint of our lives. I think most of us have some attached feelings and moments to certain songs. Now when they announce the reunion, I can see many of us be delighted by the news. But we need to take into account that they aren't the teenagers they used to be anymore. Ageing doesn't come alone, there're many important physical aspects to take into account. By the age the voices, movements and performances in general. But I think it's going to happen like it did with Star Wars on its last movie; most of us enjoyed the movie by the fact that it moved our feelings and touched those emotions we had at the time we saw the movies. The only thing I say is that if they decided to regroup the band and stand in that way It'd be awesome. I just wanna express how nostalgic this news can be. It is awesome and unbelievable we can witness that kind of event.

Top
 Profile  
Xlxlx
Argentinian Acid

Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:16 pm
Posts: 6517
Location: The Land Down Under (no, not THAT one)
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:32 am 
 

Sounds like some people want a new house/car combo.
_________________
Nochielo wrote:
Crick wrote:
Years from now, no one will remember Gandhi. They will speak only of Fenriz.

Oh, I stopped following Gandhi's career since he left Gorgoroth.

Top
 Profile  
Opus
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2002 11:06 am
Posts: 2369
Location: Sweden
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:50 pm 
 

MyrVarg wrote:
I doubt any of those football stadiums will sell out...

Everything will sell with massive marketing.
_________________
Do the words Heavy Metal mean anything to you other than buttcore, technical progressive assgrind or the like?
true_death wrote:
You could be listening to Edge of Sanity right now, but you're not!

Top
 Profile  
Terri23
Metalhead

Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:53 am
Posts: 2181
PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:44 am 
 

This is absolutely no different to the vast array of recent metal reformations, most of which were accompanied to various degrees of fanboyism in these parts.

I saw GNR, well, Axl and friends back on 2007 and I was pleasantly surprised that he could actually still belt it out. Around the time, there were these horrible videos floating around which showed him destroying songs such as You Could Be Mine. I thought it'd be an average show, and as such, I was pleasantly surprised. I'd happily see the band again. Also, living in Australia, we're kinda used to paying extortionist fees for touring bands.

On the Slash thing, I know that DJ Ashba has recently left the band, and I wonder if Slash rejoining is just a tour thing, or if it's permanent?
_________________
metaldiscussor666 wrote:
American isn't a nationality

Riffs wrote:
It's been scientifically proven that appreciating Black Sabbath helps increase life expectancy, improves happiness, bumps your salary by 11 thousand dollars annually, helps fight cavities and increases penis size.

Top
 Profile  
TripeOverload
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:46 am
Posts: 386
Location: Romania (The Land of Jokes)
PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:45 am 
 

I like that song of theirs, I Used To Love Her (But I Had To Kill Her).
Yep. Really nice song.
_________________
iamntbatman wrote:
Every silver cloud has a lining of shit. Weather's finally warming up, which means it's cat-rape-just-outside-my-window-every-night season.

Top
 Profile  
aaronmb666
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:37 am
Posts: 2244
PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:26 am 
 

Would be hilarious and awesome if Sebastian Bach opened for them, with Steven Adler on drums, Izzy on guitar, along, Nikki and Mick on bass and guitar.
Or more realistically, if "Skid Row" got their heads out of their asses and got Bach back.

Top
 Profile  
InnesI
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:19 pm
Posts: 645
PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:16 pm 
 

From the moment GN'R released Chinese Democracy I have always been vocal about how much I like that album. I guess to counterbalance all the negativity it got upon its release. I think many disregarded it because of the circumstances rather than based on the music. It sounds like a natural follow up to the Use Your Illusion albums.

Furthermore the GN'R incarnation, of say the last ten years, have mostly been pretty awesome musically. The guitar players they've attracted have been awesome which really reflects on Chinese Democracy. I also love how they've been really open with using ex members as guests. Duff and Izzy both has been doing gigs with GN'R every now and then for years now.

I love classic GN'R as much as anyone but I think many are putting to much value into Slash being back. He sure coloured the songs with his style but it was really Izzy that was the song writing brains. I don't care for Adler though. He's a mess-up and I'm not sure he could handle the back catalogue as he perhaps should. I love Duff back, he was my inspiration when I started playing bass. But that a personal thing.

And again, everyone talks about the original line-up getting back together while everyone means the classic line-up. Original means first and the people who recorded Appetite for Destruction weren't all in the band from the start.

Edit: As far as the live performances GN'R was always hit or miss. Sometimes they were awesome and sometimes they were the pits. That has been the case since the beginning. I saw them after the release of Chinese Democracy and it was great and after that I've seen clips like the ones in the original post on the same tour. They just never were consistent.

Top
 Profile  
DaBuddha
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:30 pm
Posts: 1393
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:32 pm 
 

Axl had all the potential in the world to make the New GNR a real success. He had fucking Buckethead and Bumblefoot, two virtuoso guitarists in the band and from all accounts was ready to take on the world again. For whatever reason it never happened and one by one his guys left because CD was not being released. Axl deserves all the blame for the fuck up that was 2001-2014.

I just hope he doesn't take anything for granted this time and realizes that this is his last shot at glory.
_________________
Winds and storms embrace us now
Lay waste the light of day
Open gates to darker lands
We spread our wings and fly away

Just tell Nocturno Culto you were too busy getting stoned to burn down churches, he'll understand.
Darkthrone - My Anti-Drug

Top
 Profile  
Opus
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2002 11:06 am
Posts: 2369
Location: Sweden
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:47 pm 
 

DaBuddha wrote:
I just hope he doesn't take anything for granted this time and realizes that this is his last shot at glory.
That's a lot of confidence in a burnt out diva. Of course he's going to fuck up.
_________________
Do the words Heavy Metal mean anything to you other than buttcore, technical progressive assgrind or the like?
true_death wrote:
You could be listening to Edge of Sanity right now, but you're not!

Top
 Profile  
Terri23
Metalhead

Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:53 am
Posts: 2181
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:37 pm 
 

DaBuddha wrote:
Axl had all the potential in the world to make the New GNR a real success. He had fucking Buckethead and Bumblefoot, two virtuoso guitarists in the band and from all accounts was ready to take on the world again. For whatever reason it never happened and one by one his guys left because CD was not being released. Axl deserves all the blame for the fuck up that was 2001-2014.

I just hope he doesn't take anything for granted this time and realizes that this is his last shot at glory.


Because he has no idea what glory is.
_________________
metaldiscussor666 wrote:
American isn't a nationality

Riffs wrote:
It's been scientifically proven that appreciating Black Sabbath helps increase life expectancy, improves happiness, bumps your salary by 11 thousand dollars annually, helps fight cavities and increases penis size.

Top
 Profile  
Juan Quevedo
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:50 pm
Posts: 21
Location: Colombia
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:37 pm 
 

So everything that we had in our minds has just been fucked up by the biggest Diva in the world. I cannot imagine how can someone not see the great moment it's to make a great reunion and break the whole world with their music. I cannot see how is it possible they play with the expectations of the fans that followed them when they shined, and supported them when they decided to quite trying. Everything is left, is to take all the enthusiasm and take it up the ass. It's incredible, at the end, that we believed in all the bullyshit they said.

Top
 Profile  
DaBuddha
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:30 pm
Posts: 1393
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:22 pm 
 

I'm going remain optimistic that this reunion/regrouping goes well and we get new music out of it. Slash and Duff's rightful places are in GNR so lets see how it all goes down.
_________________
Winds and storms embrace us now
Lay waste the light of day
Open gates to darker lands
We spread our wings and fly away

Just tell Nocturno Culto you were too busy getting stoned to burn down churches, he'll understand.
Darkthrone - My Anti-Drug

Top
 Profile  
IntenseHatred
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:47 pm
Posts: 354
Location: Crypts of Eternity
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:17 pm 
 

Always thought they could of been the next Zeppelin. Sadly I feel like their flame went out a long time ago. People that go to any of these shows are a bunch of suckers. You get 3/5 original members, Rose will be hours late for coming on stage. Plus don't forget his temper tantrums. I was a HUGE fan of them way back when, but forget it. As was said their time has come and gone.
_________________
.

Top
 Profile  
Ancient_Mariner
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:20 pm
Posts: 764
Location: United States
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:02 am 
 

AFD is one of my favourite albums and probably the best debut album in rock history. They were spotty after that and never even gave CD a listen. Will they come to Saint Louis? Doubt it. No way I'd travel to see them or pay more than 50-60 bucks for a ticket, depending on who is in the line-up. GnR with Bumblefoot or any of those other guys is not really interesting to me.

Top
 Profile  
IntenseHatred
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:47 pm
Posts: 354
Location: Crypts of Eternity
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:26 am 
 

Ancient_Mariner wrote:
AFD is one of my favourite albums and probably the best debut album in rock history. They were spotty after that and never even gave CD a listen. Will they come to Saint Louis? Doubt it. No way I'd travel to see them or pay more than 50-60 bucks for a ticket, depending on who is in the line-up. GnR with Bumblefoot or any of those other guys is not really interesting to me.

Appetite for Destruction is my all time favorite album. The album has a raw vibe to it and the band is really hungry. I always thought Appetite is probably how they sounded live at that time. The album really captures that. Not a lot of overdubs or extras. Just a band full of guys who love what they are doing and it all comes across in that album. What happened to that? They got lots of money. It's hard to make an album like that when you have lots of money. Same thing happened to Metallica. The drive isn't there anymore, because you've made it. You're rich beyond your wildest dreams. It's not the same anymore. That thing that appealed to everyone is gone. Its just not there. Go see them with Frank Ferrer on drums and maybe Steven and Izzy will show up for a song or two. People really are suckers if they pay for that nonsense.
_________________
.


Last edited by IntenseHatred on Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
Ancient_Mariner
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:20 pm
Posts: 764
Location: United States
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:46 pm 
 

Yeah AFD is dripping with attitude, which is how I like my rock and roll for the most part. Its like early Van Halen and Bon Scott era AC/DC in that regard.

Top
 Profile  
IntenseHatred
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:47 pm
Posts: 354
Location: Crypts of Eternity
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:24 am 
 

Opus wrote:
MyrVarg wrote:
I doubt any of those football stadiums will sell out...

Everything will sell with massive marketing.

Agreed. It is already be listed as a reunion tour. People who haven't really read into the details of that "reunion" are going to be very excited. I believe people are becoming dumbed down. They can easily be sold something, if it is marketed well enough. The same thing could be done right now for Pantera and it would sell out everywhere. It doesn't matter who is on guitar. The masses are dumb enough to buy tickets to it.
_________________
.

Top
 Profile  
Jackoroth
Metalhead

Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:55 pm
Posts: 404
Location: Airport West
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:16 am 
 

MyrVarg wrote:
I doubt any of those football stadiums will sell out


Are you kidding? Have you never been to a major band in a sporting stadium?
It's nearly guaranteed that it will sell out, when Axl comes with his shitty version of GnR, that always sells out here in stadiums.
_________________
Everything old school death metal.
https://www.facebook.com/thearchiveofoldschooldeathmetal

Top
 Profile  
IntenseHatred
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:47 pm
Posts: 354
Location: Crypts of Eternity
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:39 am 
 

Steven Adler has canceled his shows for Adler's Appetite and according to his Twitter said there will be big news coming.
_________________
.

Top
 Profile  
Ancient_Mariner
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:20 pm
Posts: 764
Location: United States
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:28 am 
 

It will be cool if Adler is on the tour. But can he handle a major tour? He's pretty much a wreck.

Top
 Profile  
IntenseHatred
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:47 pm
Posts: 354
Location: Crypts of Eternity
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:52 am 
 

That's a good question. I read an interview where he said he is two months sober. Not sure if that can be perceived as a good thing or a bad thing. I did watch a clip of him on Youtube playing a Zepplin song from a year ago. I was actually a little impressed. I know the drum experts out there will say he fucked it up here or there, but I was kind of surprised.
Youtube: show
_________________
.

Top
 Profile  
Ancient_Mariner
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:20 pm
Posts: 764
Location: United States
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:23 am 
 

I thought his drums on AFD were just fine, so if he can handle it I'd rather him be behind the kit.

Top
 Profile  
Mistereyedee
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:54 am
Posts: 191
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:28 am 
 

Always thought this was an awful group. They should've retired with dignity.
_________________
http://forcesofsteel.com

Top
 Profile  
Dungeon_Vic
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:00 am
Posts: 254
Location: Greece
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:39 am 
 

Axl Rose and dignity don't really go together. And I LOVE GnR (including Chinese Democracy)
_________________
42

Vic's Dungeon:
Best of 2015

Remember the Fallen: Roger Patterson (Atheist), Gus Chambers (Grip Inc.), Paul Baloff (Exodus), Keith Deen (Holy Terror)

Top
 Profile  
Ancient_Mariner
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:20 pm
Posts: 764
Location: United States
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:22 pm 
 

I have never listened to CD, but then again I only have UYI2 and the "live" disk beyond that AFD. To me every song on AFD is great, its one of the few albums I'd rate a 100. the Illusions are so hit and miss. I'm just not into stuff like November Rain and Estranged. But then you have killer cuts like Civil War, You Could Be Mine, Yesterday, and a few others. I think there was a great single album out of those two records. Depending on prices I'll go to this just to mark it off my bucket list.

Top
 Profile  
IntenseHatred
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:47 pm
Posts: 354
Location: Crypts of Eternity
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:27 pm 
 

I am really surprised anyone even talks to Rose. I've read Slash, Duff and Stevens book. Axl robbed these guys blind. All of them sold their rights to the name when they were fucked up on drugs. Its their fault, even though they were fucked up on drugs, but by all three accounts they got robbed by Axl for millions of dollars. I am surprised anyone wants anything to do with him. It would be cool if all 5 members got back together, but by all accounts everyone got fucked over except Izzy and Axl.
_________________
.

Top
 Profile  
Dungeon_Vic
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:00 am
Posts: 254
Location: Greece
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:58 pm 
 

Ancient_Mariner wrote:
I have never listened to CD, but then again I only have UYI2 and the "live" disk beyond that AFD. To me every song on AFD is great, its one of the few albums I'd rate a 100. the Illusions are so hit and miss. I'm just not into stuff like November Rain and Estranged. But then you have killer cuts like Civil War, You Could Be Mine, Yesterday, and a few others. I think there was a great single album out of those two records. Depending on prices I'll go to this just to mark it off my bucket list.


This is a discussion I had many times before. How the Illusions would be great if it was a single album. Thing is, every time I ask them to tell me which songs to exclude they end up citing someone else's favorites. I am not hot on November Rain either but Estranged is probably my favorite (those damn guitar licks...and Slash didn't even get a songwriting credit!). One other told me Get in the Ring, which was always one of the most fun tracks there. I stopped asking when somebody mentioned Locomotive, clearly people will say anything. Even the not-so-stellar songs on that album are quality, they have this vibe... And I kept discovering new favorite songs over the years... I love The Garden, Dead Horse, Coma, all the covers (despite Knockin on Heaven's Door being overplayed to death), Right Next Door to Hell, Back Off Bitch, seriously good songwriting man.

The Illusions are a really unique thing in rock history, first time anyone released two DOUBLE albums simultaneously, that is, 4 albums worth of material, and they both ended up in places #1 and #2 of the charts. Which goes to show you how out of touch are people who claim that Guns n Roses is a one-album band.

Chinese Democracy is great, there are only two problems with it really:
1) it's not a Guns n Roses album, it's an Axl Roses album
2) it took forever to be released and thus the expectations were sky high and impossible to meet.

Neither of these problems concerns the actual music you will notice. It's all about what people would have wanted the album to be and if it wasn't at least twice as good as Dark Side of the Moon, then it'd be a failure. In any case, I think the album is pretty fantastic, with some very catchy and original songs, Axl is in top form in the studio and the guitars are fucking awesome. Some truly great solos throughout. Basically, if you combine this album with the past two Slash albums, you would get an Illusion 3, inspiration-wise. A real shame. Not sure the reunion is authentic enough to the point of them seriously collaborating...
_________________
42

Vic's Dungeon:
Best of 2015

Remember the Fallen: Roger Patterson (Atheist), Gus Chambers (Grip Inc.), Paul Baloff (Exodus), Keith Deen (Holy Terror)

Top
 Profile  
Ancient_Mariner
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:20 pm
Posts: 764
Location: United States
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:55 pm 
 

Not sure GnR will come back to Saint Louis now that I think of it. I don't think they have been here since the riot.

Top
 Profile  
DaBuddha
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:30 pm
Posts: 1393
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:54 pm 
 

Cities have been revealed for the US summer tour.

Atlanta
Boston
Chicago
Cincinnati
Dallas
Detroit
Houston
Kansas City
Nashville
New Orleans
New York
Orlando
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Pittsburgh
San Diego
San Francisco
Seattle
St. Louis
Toronto
Washington D.C.

I'll be at the Pittsburgh gig no questions asked. Gonna try to hit up Washington D.C. and Cincinnati too.

By the way, the Illusions are their best albums. They are more varied than AFD (which is a classic) and have some hellacious songs on there like Perfect Crime, Right Next Door to Hell, and You Could Be Mine. November Rain, Estranged, and Don't Cry are 3 of the best songs they ever wrote.
_________________
Winds and storms embrace us now
Lay waste the light of day
Open gates to darker lands
We spread our wings and fly away

Just tell Nocturno Culto you were too busy getting stoned to burn down churches, he'll understand.
Darkthrone - My Anti-Drug

Top
 Profile  
godsonsafari
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:03 am
Posts: 769
Location: Sparty's Land Grant University, USA
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:16 am 
 

Tickets topping out at $250-275 is not unexpected. I'd guess that seats off to the side of the stage up in the bowls will be $70-100ish and....look, I'm not paying that. This is a concert tour for people in their mid 40s to early 50s for whom GNR were an indelible part of the soundtrack of their youth. I hope those people have fun going.
_________________
"It's not some safe thing like Fugazi where everyone sits down and eats their tofu and goes 'wow man, that's revolutionary' " - Jerry A of Poison Idea

Top
 Profile  
aaronmb666
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:37 am
Posts: 2244
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:58 am 
 

godsonsafari wrote:
Tickets topping out at $250-275 is not unexpected. I'd guess that seats off to the side of the stage up in the bowls will be $70-100ish and....look, I'm not paying that. This is a concert tour for people in their mid 40s to early 50s for whom GNR were an indelible part of the soundtrack of their youth. I hope those people have fun going.


You'd be surprised of the ages at shows. A friend of mine that I go to shows with is 23, and he said the only way he'd even consider going, is if it's all the original members. Really amazes me how the people I see at shows that are in their early 20's look like theyre from the early 90's(long hair, etc).

Top
 Profile  
InnesI
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:19 pm
Posts: 645
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:56 am 
 

Dungeon_Vic wrote:
How the Illusions would be great if it was a single album. Thing is, every time I ask them to tell me which songs to exclude they end up citing someone else's favorites. . .

Chinese Democracy is great, there are only two problems with it really:
1) it's not a Guns n Roses album, it's an Axl Roses album
2) it took forever to be released and thus the expectations were sky high and impossible to meet.

Neither of these problems concerns the actual music you will notice. It's all about what people would have wanted the album to be and if it wasn't at least twice as good as Dark Side of the Moon, then it'd be a failure. In any case, I think the album is pretty fantastic, with some very catchy and original songs, Axl is in top form in the studio and the guitars are fucking awesome. Some truly great solos throughout. Basically, if you combine this album with the past two Slash albums, you would get an Illusion 3, inspiration-wise. A real shame. Not sure the reunion is authentic enough to the point of them seriously collaborating...


I agree with you on the UYI statement. Granted I am a fan boy but I really don't see any tracks I would like removed except perhaps My World. I kind of like it in all its weirdness but I can see how it sticks out as a sore thumb. Other than that I can't find any weak track on either UYI I or UYI II.

I also think Chinese Democracy is fantastic. I don't understand how people are upset that its an "Axl Rose album" - not the "original line-up", yada, yada, yada. I think it sounds like a natural progression from the UYI albums. It definitely has a GN'R sound to it. I think more so than Velvet Revolver ever had to be honest. I love Slashs lead guitar qualities but the crew that recorded this album was so fantastic that it doesn't matter much to me. The lead guitar work on this album is amazing. Its not like in Megadeth were they have had amazing leads guitar work and not so amazing lead guitar work. This is on par and perhaps even better at times.

I don't agree that the expectations were so high they couldn't be met. I feel like the album was doomed from the start. It had received negative press before anyone had heard even the slightest sample and it just continued when it took ages to be released. I remember buying it and thinking that there was no way the press or the general fan would admit to liking this regardless of how good it was. I was actually surprised by the somewhat good reviews it got in certain places. Seemed like some journalists swallowed their pride. The fans however seemed really hinged up on who it was performing on the album, and how long it took to get out there, rather than on the actual songs.

Top
 Profile  
DaBuddha
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:30 pm
Posts: 1393
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:12 am 
 

Had Chinese Democracy been released in 1999 like it was supposed to be, I think it would have done much better than it ultimately did. It just took too long to come out and was re-recorded at least 3 times. It was a mish mash of different members and studios which didn't do it any favors.

I for one like CD, but there are a few songs on there I can't get into. And yeah, it's not really GNR, but I can get past that.
_________________
Winds and storms embrace us now
Lay waste the light of day
Open gates to darker lands
We spread our wings and fly away

Just tell Nocturno Culto you were too busy getting stoned to burn down churches, he'll understand.
Darkthrone - My Anti-Drug

Top
 Profile  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic Go to page 1, 2  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: TheMizwaOfMuzzyTah, theposega and 8 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

 
Jump to:  

Back to the Encyclopaedia Metallum


Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group