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PostMetalActivist
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:49 pm 
 

EDITED since someone linked you to it anyway I don't recommend going too deep.

Gross shit on there shocked me. Anyone else had that happen?(Whole point of this thread)

20 grand to have someone killed and worse things.... just crazy.


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HouseSpiders
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:57 pm 
 

Never heard of it. :???:
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oogboog
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:00 pm 
 

Secret internet? Man, I must be behind on technology.
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henkkjelle
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:03 pm 
 

I honestly have no idea if this is actually a real thing. A lot of people write it off as a myth, but you know, it could be true.

You know, after seeing the movie Hostel I seriously considered the excistence of these secret, depraved societies where you can do anything to anyone if you have the money for it. After all, snuff movies do exist. Although I do think that those groups would be very small and unstable. Because I don't think that a giant corporation like that would stay under the radar for a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web

EDIT, acutally, I'm pretty sure it is a real thing (deepnet that is, not hostel) I could post some links that would teach you to get onto the supposed deepweb, but I don't know if the mods would like that. I myself have never tried it, way to risky for my computer.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:41 pm 
 

Meh.

The idea behind the "Deep Web" is a rather outdated one. Allow me to explain why. When the term "Deep Web" first came out, it was during a time when the Internet was novel, not as popular, and when search engines absolutely sucked for finding information. The whole idea behind the "Deep Web" was that, because the tools to find information online was not as easy and intuitive, few people would actually bother to go very far in finding info. To be honest, having been on the Internet through that time, it isn't hard to see why that was a fascinating and truthful idea. In the 1990s and early 2000s, the Internet genuinely seemed like a huge untapped resource of information. This is especially true when search engines made it difficult to find info, and when Internet speeds forced you to wait upwards of 10 minutes for a single page to load.

Why was this "untapped resource of information" fascinating enough that it led people to term it the "Deep Web"? Well, you should all know this by now, but if you can imagine it there is probably someplace that looks at it and discusses it, and even encourages it. There should be communities for everything legal and illegal, disturbuing and creepy, powerful and crazy, naughty and nice. Whatever you imagine, whether it's hacker supergroups, communities dedicated to weird violent or sexual fetishes, communities organizing terrorist acts and spreading propaganda, a knitting group for grandmas, databases of books galore, or places where you can sell things on a blackmarket... it exists out there. And, in large part, if it's not a very popular website or service, then it's probably a lot more specific to a certain issue or topic. This is a no brainer, and this shouldn't be new to you. As more people have used the Internet over the years, and search engines are smarter and better, much of this info has leaked out and become more "popularized". If you are truly keen you can find just about anything if you search enough for it or use the many software programs out there to find it... it's not as mysterious or secret as the OP would like you to believe.

Oddly enough, just like how Usenet, or Torrents work, or even DC++/Soulseek, what PostMetalActivist wont tell you in his OP is that the whole modern concept of a "Deep Web" can be accessed through a simple program, too: https://www.torproject.org/ Over time, what has been termed the present "Deep Web" is - at the heart of it - centered on anonymous surfing of the net, and this has been perpetuated by groups like Anonymous, and other groups who may want to do things which are terribly illegal if made more publically known. It shouldn't be surprising that people who are doing illegal things want to keep their activities anonymous, or that people who want to start secret, select communities try hard to make their websites unsearchable by the less-than-desirable masses. It doesn't tend to succeed all too well, not as the Internet is getting more and more prolific and the ability to find things becomes easier and more dispersed. There's a certain mystique in this idea of a "hidden internet" full of dastardly individuals ready to take down the world, but if I can go on Reddit and read on the Frontpage that these activities are going on and how to get involved in that, that helps to prove the "hidden internet" is a fallacy. If you want to see gore, you can find it. If you want to know what Al-Qaeda is doing, oddly enough there's websites on that. The fact is most people don't want to, or don't care, and the "surface" Internet we live with is more than enough to live on.

I will say this. It's not the topic of this thread which is rather "inappropriate." I don't care if people wish to talk about how the Internet operates. But I will say this, PostMetalActivist. The whole idea of you coming around here and saying "check this out, but don't tell anyone else" really shows your age.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:42 pm 
 

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80691

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CorpseFister
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:03 pm 
 

Good post Derigin!

Also, I'm slightly amused by someone posting about all the super secret stuff they've found but not considering doing a quick search for previous topics.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:03 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
I will say this. It's not the topic of this thread which is rather "inappropriate." I don't care if people wish to talk about how the Internet operates. But I will say this, PostMetalActivist. The whole idea of you coming around here and saying "check this out, but don't tell anyone else" really shows your age.

Quite so, I don't think you can have a conversation about the Tor network or anything similar without controversy.
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Marag
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:22 pm 
 

Much of what people say about the deepnet is bullshit and some rumours originated from people taking 4chan's creepypastas seriously

Not to say that it doesn't exist, but it's exagerated.

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PostMetalActivist
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:29 pm 
 

Edit # 50: I guess you can find the link on wiki. Sorry for being a douche.

and lol @ me flailing. I was offended it really wasn't my intentions to act like that.


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PostMetalActivist
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:30 pm 
 

double post, oops

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henkkjelle
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:43 pm 
 

PostMetalActivist wrote:
EDIT: @ Derigin I was in NO WAY doing a "hey check this out don't tell anyone" that's some stupid kiddy bullshit as you said.

I was just fucking shocked that there is a place where such disgusting this and lawless acts are committed and was wondering if anyone else has fucking experienced this. You gotta admit its fucking crazy that these people don't get busted for kiddy porn or selling drugs. The media seems to totally ignore it.

How the hell was I saying derpy dur go check this out. I tried to be vague as hell whereas you linked everybody to everything to get access to it if they didn't know already. It seems like you did exactly what you are accusing me of. Makes me not want to post here anymore honestly... I'll stick to the other part of this website. Away from those of you with red names.


That's torr for ya.

And I don't want to be a mini-mod, but you should really stop flailing around like that.
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PostMetalActivist
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:00 pm 
 

henkkjelle wrote:
PostMetalActivist wrote:
insert me being a douchebag


That's torr for ya.

And I don't want to be a mini-mod, but you should really stop flailing around like that.

I tend to do that sometimes when people take what I say the wrong way. I'm a little manic.

Again I apologize to everyone for my momentary lapse of sanity. I can be an asshole. I don't mean it though. :ugh:

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:02 pm 
 

PostMetalActivist wrote:
I was just fucking shocked that there is a place where such disgusting this and lawless acts are committed and was wondering if anyone else has fucking experienced this. You gotta admit its fucking crazy that these people don't get busted for kiddy porn or selling drugs. The media seems to totally ignore it.


Derigin is correct that your age really shows with how naive you are. There is no secret, lawless internet that you can tap into by asking on the right internet forum, but it's comparable to shady individuals sharing their phonebooks or rolodexes (or contacts lists, if you want to go high tech). People communicate privately about illegal and unethical things. There isn't a massive secret society that you'll be keyed into by asking on the right forums. As confirmed on April 2nd, Metal Archives is not involved in illegal activity ;)

There are massive law enforcement efforts to break up this type of stuff - are you allowed to stay up late enough to watch "60 Minutes"? Here's a major online child porn ring bust, reported by a major media outlet two weeks ago, found instantly by googling "internet child porn ring bust".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48502531/ns ... C69i91lRcQ

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The_Erlking
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:23 pm 
 

Yeah. I guess I got into it too late because bying drugs with bitcoin is too damn expensive these days.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:10 pm 
 

Dude, lead me the fucking way.

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