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MetalAddict9
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:29 am 
 

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on Back on Black. You know the U.K. label that specializes in heavy metal reissues on vinyl. Are they any good? I mean do the records have good sound quality? Is the vinyl of good quality? Would it be worth buying an album from them? Thoughts?

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French Toast
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:56 am 
 

IIRC a lot of their stuff is sourced from CD masters and stuff, and is often hit or miss with quality.

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MetalAddict9
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:53 am 
 

IIRC? CD masters? So I guess your saying not really worth the money, huh? I think I'll just stay away from anything from Back on Black although I did see a really cool looking Darkthrone "A Blaze in the Northern Sky" picture LP on eBay from Back on Black. I don't think I'll buy it though, thanks.

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ghroth
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:41 pm 
 

Their releases have gotten better in recent years. Prior to about 2008, sometimes the album art would obviously be from a blown up JPG. Their release of Blut aus Nord's "Memoria Vetusta II" is definitely guilty of this.

However, all of their recent Burzum releases have been quality. I have all the metal post-prison albums and they look and sound great.
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MetalAddict9
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:49 pm 
 

Yes, it looks like my purple LP version of "Dawn of the Black Hearts" may have this going on with the art work. Though that particular album is an unofficial release to begin with.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:45 pm 
 

MetalAddict9 wrote:
IIRC?


"If I recall correctly"

Sorry 'bout that.

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MetalAddict9
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:14 pm 
 

French Toast wrote:
MetalAddict9 wrote:
IIRC?


"If I recall correctly"

Sorry 'bout that.


Oh, okay. Now I know!

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:33 pm 
 

Back on Black seems fine to me but I'm an 'original only' kind of guy so try to never get them anyway
CD masters - got any links to more info mate?
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TikrasTamsusNaktis
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:14 pm 
 

I have Darkthrone's Panzerfaust and I was originally worried that it would sound like shit because I as well had heard that Back on Black wasn't the best quality but I can say that it is an awesome sounding record!

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MetalAddict9
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:21 pm 
 

Cool. There's a 2x LP of At War with Satan by Venom from Back on Black I was looking at.

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Alsandair
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:50 pm 
 

I have a couple of the Burzum LP's. They are quite nice and sound great.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:24 pm 
 

On their site they say that their vinyl records are really pleasing to handle. What do you think?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:04 am 
 

I'm reading that as - you can now finally own XXXX album and on vinyl

Pleasure To Kill!
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MetalAddict9
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:02 am 
 

Ha! :D

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:37 pm 
 

I bought 6 Gorgoroth vinyls (released 2005 to 2006 by BoB) as a birthday present for myself when I was 16 or something, and they were the most disappointing things ever. I remember the sound actually being quite good and crisp (not that I was the most discerning listener when I was 16), and the sleeves being flimsy but servicable.. but between each and every track was exaggerated amounts of silence (like when mp3 players have trouble loading songs when you're listening to an album), most apparent between songs that were clearly meant to run together. Fucking egregious.

So, at least avoid those editions specifically. Do it for 16 year old me. Do it for the 2 grams of weed bought for the money I received from selling them.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:42 pm 
 

Yeah, I heard that their quality improved after 2006 though.

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Jasper92
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:58 pm 
 

I have the first bolt thrower album on vinyl by them. Sound and lookks great. But I also have two Judas Priest albums by them wich I wish I'd never bought. The sources of those two were the remastered cds..... so I guess it's hit or miss with them.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:03 pm 
 

I can't even believe they do that, CD sourced vinyl audio :nono:
This is worse though and I really wish I'd taken note of or a photo of it but I saw in my local music shop not that long ago a record that said, wait for it...

"remastered from the original high quality mp3 files" o_O
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:10 pm 
 

Okay, thanks for all the replies. I think I'll be avoiding Back on Black and just stick with the originals.

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MetalAddict9
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:13 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I can't even believe they do that, CD sourced vinyl audio :nono:
This is worse though and I really wish I'd taken note of or a photo of it but I saw in my local music shop not that long ago a record that said, wait for it...

"remastered from the original high quality mp3 files" o_O


Yeah, "high quality mp3 files". What a fuckin joke!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:29 pm 
 

This is from the Back on Black website. http://www.backonblack.com/production.htm

"Many people have asked us how we prepare the masters for our vinyl so.....

Making the best quality vinyl isn't just about transferring an album onto record - getting the best possible results from our beloved format takes care, attention, and an intimate understanding of exactly how vinyl works.

The rich, organic feel and warmth that you hear in a great record comes from a good vinyl cut. Many masters are not suitable for vinyl, as today's modern digital music formats such as compact disc work in a very different way - and this is why we take the time to have them expertly re-mastered for vinyl production.

A cutting stylus cannot cut the square waveforms found in many recordings that would result in a terrible sound. The re-limiting process, individually tailored for every release, smoothes the wave peaks to produce a cut that brings out the colour of the original recording. Filtering the frequency extremes to more closely suit vinyl sound reproduction reintroduces energy to the signal at both ends of the frequency spectrum. And phase issues are rectified by slightly narrowing the stereo image – bringing clarity that would otherwise often be lost.

These highly skilled techniques have been developed over many years to bring the best possible sound to vinyl lovers, and are expertly applied to all our releases!"

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MetalAddict9
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:21 pm 
 

Okay, maybe I'll try one just to see what it sounds like. I mean what do I know? I'm new to vinyl anyway.

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chaossphere
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:41 pm 
 

Yeah you can't just direct-port a CD master onto vinyl, the needle would jump straight out of the groove :lol: You'd hope they'd at least master the LP from a 24-bit/192khz source if the album was recorded digitally, but who knows, I only have one LP on that label, which is Borknagar - Quintessence. It sounds pretty good, the layout is a bit dodgy though, full of obvious misplaced text and titles on the lyric sheet.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:47 am 
 

I own the first four Burzum LPs and Darkthrone's "Unholy trinity" pic LPs (probably the same ones guy was looking at) from Back on Black; they look and sound fine

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:33 am 
 

I might even get Peacville's (I think it's Peaceville's) gatefold version of A Blaze In The Northern Sky and then get the BoB picture version just to compare them. Or maybe I'll do that with At War with Satan, or both. This should be fun! :)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:18 pm 
 

There's no point comparing a black LP to a picture disc for sound quality. The picture disc will always sound worse unless the black LP is an absolute hack job, and Peaceville's Blaze In The Northern Sky sounds excellent. Picture discs always have a lot of surface noise compared to any other form of vinyl.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:40 pm 
 

chaossphere wrote:
There's no point comparing a black LP to a picture disc for sound quality. The picture disc will always sound worse unless the black LP is an absolute hack job, and Peaceville's Blaze In The Northern Sky sounds excellent. Picture discs always have a lot of surface noise compared to any other form of vinyl.


Okay, so I'll just do the At War with Satan comparison then. Thanks for the input!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:48 am 
 

*mixed by Putten

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:01 am 
 

BEANED_HUMAN wrote:
*mixed by Putten


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:29 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I can't even believe they do that, CD sourced vinyl audio :nono:


Since almost all recording these days is done by using computers, that's what you get when you buy vinyl past, what, 1991? Mastering may be different, but almost all vinyl is digitally sourced.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:37 pm 
 

Oh dear! The very point of listening to vinyl is that it's not digital. The needle recreates the very acoustics that was recorded. (That last sentence might contain some bad English, which btw was a decent band...)

Back on Black website wrote:
... reintroduces energy to the signal at both ends of the frequency spectrum.

That whole thing reads exactly like a new age salesman trying to make his healing mumbo jumbo seem scientific.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:41 pm 
 

@ Opus :nods:
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:36 pm 
 

Not all vinyl is digitally sourced, the new Iron Maiden vinyl reissues are all cut from the original tapes. The main thing is that analog sound is a smooth waveform, whereas digital consists of blocks of sound which, if you interpret analog as a continuous line, digital is more like a continuously changing staircase.

Unfortunately it's often down to laziness, it's simply easier to transfer the original tapes to high-res digital then master from that. This is how the new Led Zeppelin reissues were done, and i'm not too happy about that. That said, there's still a lot more frequency response in hi-res digital than an LP can even reproduce. Having heard a couple of those Pure Audio Blu Ray discs, i'm not overly bothered by analog vs digital sourcing as long as the digital source comes from the original tapes, not just a recycled CD master. The difference in clarity and frequency range between CD and hi-res is quite mind-blowing.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:54 pm 
 

I'm just about to purchase my first Back on Black vinyl :D Vempire by Cradle of Filth, Flesh Tone color. I'll see what all the hype's about ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:56 pm 
 

I have a few back on black records and I like that fact that they use 800 gram vinyl and it doesn't feel like cheap vinyl. I do agree with others that certain releases are hit or miss as far as sound quality goes. I think that Emperor's Anthems to the welkin at dusk sounded a little too thin to my ears compared to cd version. Insomnium's releases sound very similar on vinyl and cd.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:15 pm 
 

High Gain wrote:
I have a few back on black records and I like that fact that they use 800 gram vinyl and it doesn't feel like cheap vinyl.



It's 180 gram.. an 800 gram LP would be half an inch thick :P
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:40 am 
 

chaossphere wrote:
It's 180 gram.. an 800 gram LP would be half an inch thick :P

But it wouldn't be cheap!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:45 am 
 

Oops I knew there was an 8 in there somewhere. 180 gram is correct.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:06 pm 
 

only 180 gram is real!

I've got some old-ish metal LPs that are so thin and flimsy =/
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:27 pm 
 

Yeah CBS were really bad for that, I have some old Judas Priest LPs and Megadeth - Killing Is My Business that are literally paper-thin. 180 gram generates a lot more static though, sometimes my turntable mat sticks to them when I lift them off after playing :lol:
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