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aloof
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:08 pm 
 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/shots-fired-s ... 00276.html

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Ancient_Mariner
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:13 pm 
 

Fuck.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:21 pm 
 

Fuck this shit.

There was a report just now that there were shootings in other locations.
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Ancient_Mariner
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:38 pm 
 

Haven't seen that report, I hope its just confusion.

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theposega
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:45 pm 
 

This kind of shit is becoming entirely too common. I got a notification about this on my phone and I can't even say I was surprised.
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Master_Of_Thrash
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:51 pm 
 

Does Europe even give a shit that they're being attacked?
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droneriot
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:51 pm 
 

No other shooting, false alarm.
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Ancient_Mariner
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:53 pm 
 

I'm reading there was a shooting at the Marienplatz metro station.

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lost_wanderer
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:19 pm 
 

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... ro-Station

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ed-8474748

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jcp54
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:32 pm 
 

What is the perp like?

This sounds like a Breivik type thing.

Doesn't Germany have pretty lax gun laws?

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Ancient_Mariner
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:35 pm 
 

lax gun laws?

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Ancient_Mariner
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:16 pm 
 

BBC says second shooting was false alarm.

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Doors of Stone
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:30 pm 
 

jcp54 wrote:
What is the perp like?

This sounds like a Breivik type thing.

Doesn't Germany have pretty lax gun laws?


Not really. The gun laws are rather strict.

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Ancient_Mariner
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:40 pm 
 

Oktoberfest is just around the corner with tons of alcohol, scantily clad fräuleins, and soft targets out the wazoo.

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Ancient_Mariner
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:44 pm 
 

But maybe it wasn't an Islamic attack. Though DailyStar.uk is all over the place trying to be the most breaking news.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:45 pm 
 

It's in Bavaria, after today's story they're going to so seriously overkill Oktoberfest with police presence that you'll be lucky to see anyone without a uniform at all.
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The Red Tower
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:00 pm 
 

I live in Munich and I didn't notice anything of that until a friend called and asked me if I was alright. I don't have to use public transport to get home from work so I didn't notice that all trains, busses etc. were stopped.

Six dead by now. I hope those fucktards get caught asap and rot in prison (and in hell if there was one...).

There are rumors that it might be an attack by right-wing guys as one of the alleged attackers speaks German and uttered such nonsense...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:22 pm 
 

Quote:
Muslim eyewitness heard "Allahu Akbar"

A Muslim woman, named by CNN as Lauretta, told the channel she heard the gunmen shout "Allahu Akhar" as they shot children.

I know this because I am a Muslim.

I saw the shooting of children, who were sitting down to eat. They could not run.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... ng-centre/
So who knows. Right now the news is still chaos.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:40 pm 
 

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Anscheinend wurde das Video kurz nach den ersten Schüssen aufgezeichnet, der mutmaßliche Täter versucht sich darin zu rechtfertigen: "Wegen euch bin ich sieben Jahre lang gemobbt worden. Und jetzt musste ich mir eine Waffe kaufen, um euch alle abzuknallen." Obwohl der Mann akzentfreies Deutsch spricht, wird er von seinem im Video nicht zu sehenden Gegenüber in tiefstem Bayrisch als "Kanake" beschimpft - die Antwort lässt aufhorchen: "Ich bin hier geboren. Ich wurde in meiner Wohngruppe gemobbt. Ich war in Behandlung. Ich bin Deutscher!"


Apparently the video was shot shortly after the first shots, the suspected culprit tries to justify himself in it: "Because of you I was bullied for seven years. And now I had to buy a weapon to shoot you all." Although the man speaks accent-free German, his counterpart not visible in the video calls him "kanake" (n-word level slur for Turks) in deepest Bavarian - the response makes one listen attentively: "I was born here. I was bullied in my living group. I was in treatment. I am German!"


Clumsy word by word translation of a section of an article about one of the amateur videos online.
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InnesI
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:43 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
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Anscheinend wurde das Video kurz nach den ersten Schüssen aufgezeichnet, der mutmaßliche Täter versucht sich darin zu rechtfertigen: "Wegen euch bin ich sieben Jahre lang gemobbt worden. Und jetzt musste ich mir eine Waffe kaufen, um euch alle abzuknallen." Obwohl der Mann akzentfreies Deutsch spricht, wird er von seinem im Video nicht zu sehenden Gegenüber in tiefstem Bayrisch als "Kanake" beschimpft - die Antwort lässt aufhorchen: "Ich bin hier geboren. Ich wurde in meiner Wohngruppe gemobbt. Ich war in Behandlung. Ich bin Deutscher!"


Apparently the video was shot shortly after the first shots, the suspected culprit tries to justify himself in it: "Because of you I was bullied for seven years. And now I had to buy a weapon to shoot you all." Although the man speaks accent-free German, his counterpart not visible in the video calls him "kanake" (n-word level slur for Turks) in deepest Bavarian - the response makes one listen attentively: "I was born here. I was bullied in my living group. I was in treatment. I am German!"


Clumsy word by word translation of a section of an article about one of the amateur videos online.



This is what some YouTube'ers had to say about it:

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M01D25:
The conversation is between an old guy and a young guy (the shooter) who both seem to be native German speakers, filmed by a family speaking a foreign language from their balcony.

Transcript of what I understood:

Old guy: you asshole, you ...
Old guy: you are a wanker, an asshole
Young guy: ... now I needed to buy a weapon
Old guy: yes a weapon, somebody needs to hit you on the head
Young guy: damn turks, fucking kanacken (immigrants)
Old guy: hey! he has gun, he is in ...
Old guy: he has his gun loaded, call the cops, he is walking around
Young guy: I am german
Old guy: you are a wanker
Young guy: ... a german
Old guy: a dumbfuck you are
Old guy: what kind of shit are you doing
Young guy: I am born here in the Hartz 4 area (poor area)
Young guy: ... in treatment
Old guy: yes in treatment you asshole
Young guy: I havent done anything
Young guy: shut up
Old guy: hey! he is walking on the upper deck. He is walking around over there, you dumbfucks
(shots)
Old guy: you asshole, shooting ... dumb idiot?
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+M01D25 thanks for transcript.that old guy is a legend, he is just relentless and his voice is powerful as fuck :D. The family filming is probably Bosnian Muslim judging by accent. The female members urge the guy filming to go inside and when the shots hit balcony he tell "mater svoju u picku" (may he(shooter) fuck his own mother) which is Bosnian equivalent of term motherfucker.?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlnd3gqN61c

It isn't confirmed, as far as I know, that this video is of the Münich gunman even though much points in that direction. Some "free media" has even reported the name of the shooter. Also unconfined by traditional media.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:28 pm 
 

18-year old Iranian according to news.
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Dembo
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:42 pm 
 

German-Iranian according to the news here. Although I fail to see the relevance of the nationality. That's just some desperate label-seeking thing done when the shooters motive isn't clear.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:45 pm 
 

The relevance is to the "attack by right-wing guys" rumour.
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darkeningday
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:54 pm 
 

You can still be Iranian and right-wing.
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MonumentalBlackArt
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:01 pm 
 

Mohammed Bigsby.

Apparently he shot himself. Good riddance.

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InnesI
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:18 am 
 

darkeningday wrote:
You can still be Iranian and right-wing.


Yes, but if a person if labelled (extreme) right wing in west European media it is usually code for white supremacist. A first/second/third generation Iranian in Germany is hardly that.

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Sepulchrave
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:19 am 
 

Old guy was a fucking idiot for provoking the attacker.
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droneriot
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:11 am 
 

darkeningday wrote:
You can still be Iranian and right-wing.

Could be true, just read he was a huge Breivik fan.
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darkeningday
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:21 am 
 

What angers me most is how activists on both sides of the fence--even so-called moderates--are praying that the murderer is either a Jihadist or a right-wing terrorist.

I guess I'm sort of hoping he's both, just to fuck with everyone's preconceptions and embarrassing dichotomization of incredibly complex circumstances.


Also, every time a new mass shooting shows up in the news, I urge people to watch this and share it as much as possible:

Youtube: show
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:30 am 
 

Oh German news is already reporting he liked 3D shooters, so they're going that way. Though in media everyone wants to be first to have the answer, hence the hip shot speculations.

My speculation is: He didn't leave a note, didn't make the shooting a big show, didn't have a manifesto, an affiliation, a big purpose, so I speculate he's a guy who freaked out from whatever pressure he was under and went on a killing spree.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:54 am 
 

I don't see why there needs to be a political motive. From those transcripts it sounds like he was bullied/alienated for not being German and blamed middle east migrants, and sympathised to some degree with western hatred of them. He obviously needed therapy.

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InnesI
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:35 am 
 

The reports are now saying he had been in contact with psychiatrists and that he was obsessed with weapons and shootings (such as school shooting and such). Seems like the story is he's a nutcase without a specific political or religious agenda.

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:19 am 
 

Starting to sound similar to the Ottawa shooter a year or so back.
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The Red Tower
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:51 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Oh German news is already reporting he liked 3D shooters, so they're going that way.


For real??? Didn't hear anything about that but I only listened to the news on radio... And I already thought that would no longer be worth mentioning...

It's a pity that he stole away by suicide and won't face a (mundane) judgment! At least the city has calmed down a bit by now.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:08 pm 
 

Master_Of_Thrash wrote:
Does Europe even give a shit that they're being attacked?


Leave Y'r'p to its Y'r'peein' thinking. Also, 10 dead in a shooting... isn't that a weekly occurence in the states?
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lost_wanderer
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:50 pm 
 

''Oh German news is already reporting he liked 3D shooters, so they're going that way''. Sure, everyone who loves 3D shooters are prone to be mass murderers. Maybe they will discover he liked metal music as well.

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:53 pm 
 

Well that's usually a foregone conclusion if they start pointing their fingers at DooM.

Wait until the media picks up on that newfangled game, Quake!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:35 pm 
 

The FPS BS again, sometimes I swear we're stuck in an infinite loop of 1999.

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darkeningday
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:48 pm 
 

What I'm waiting to see is a mass shooter who absolutely DESPISES FPSs, or maybe one who only plays LucasArts adventure games. That'd be interesting.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:11 pm 
 

I can only imagine Pokemon Go playing serial killers.
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