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t1337Dude
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:44 am 
 

How do you feel about bonus tracks in albums? Have any favorites? Do you go out of your way to seek albums containing bonus tracks or do you not care in the least?

I've gone back and located a few albums containing bonus tracks that I didn't originally have (Lantlos' Melting Sun, Alcests' Shelter, Aphex Twin's Syro, WITTR's Two Hunters) and in each case I really regret not going out of my way to find them sooner. Usually my mentality would have me believing that if the songs were worthwhile - they wouldn't be bonus tracks, but I'm definitely seeing now that it's worth having them. In the past I remember always skipping B-Side material because I rarely found it up-to-par with the rest of the material but it's starting to bug me a little bit when bands create great extra material but goes mostly unrecognized because of the limited release.

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teh_Foxx0rz
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:53 am 
 

If they're fully legit songs in their own right, even if they're demos or something, then I'll seek them out even if the release they're on is more expensive (within reason of course :P ). A lot of the bands I'm into have special Japanese releases of their albums with an exclusive song or two on which are with only one or two exceptions as good as the material on the rest of the album.

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henkkjelle
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:03 am 
 

Bonus tracks are cool. Especially when they show a different direction of the bands style. However I do always put the bonus songs in a seperate folder so I don't alter the way the album was meant to be. One exception is Skyforger by Amorphis. Partly because I didn't actually know Godlike Machine (digi) and Separated (jap) were bonus tracks and partly because those two songs are amongst the best on the album.
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Smoking_Gnu
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:51 am 
 

I like 'em, and I guess I don't even mind their inclusion in an album's normal tracklist as they're normally at the end, so I just end up mentally marking the actual "end" and the bonus tracks as a sort of post-script. That said, Demons and Wizards' Touched by the Crimson King has a couple amazing bonus tracks in "Lunar Lament" and "Spatial Architects" that would have done much better in the middle of the main tracklist than the comparatively boring songs already there.

And hell yes to the bonus tracks on Skyforger, *especially* Separated. Where the hell can I find that one on mp3 or CD?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:07 am 
 

I have nothing against hidden tracks or whatever that were always intended to be part of the album, but I dislike the idea of bonus tracks. An album is suppose to be a cohesive experience and tacking on an extra track that wasn't originally intended to be part of the journey seems like kind of a stupid marketing gimmick to sell a special edition or whatever.
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InnesI
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:03 pm 
 

dystopia4 wrote:
I have nothing against hidden tracks or whatever that were always intended to be part of the album, but I dislike the idea of bonus tracks. An album is suppose to be a cohesive experience and tacking on an extra track that wasn't originally intended to be part of the journey seems like kind of a stupid marketing gimmick to sell a special edition or whatever.


I echo these sentiments. I want the original albuma s it was supposed to be. Perhaps there exists a few exceptions. I can't remember any off the top of my head though. If you want to include extra tracks do so on a separate disc. I don't want a b-song that originally didn't fit the album, a meaningless cover or a live tune as part of the original album. Do what Morrissey did for his latest - release two discs (he is awesome though and most songs are great in their own right). Amy MacDonald did the same with her debut album. The original was one CD and then live and acoustic tracks on a separate disc.

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John_Sunlight
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:23 pm 
 

Also in agreement with the previous posts. I want to hear the album as a whole with a logical end point. The solution for this is very easy, as I put all my music on my computer. If there are bonus tracks, I just put them in a separate folder. Still available for individual listening, album is still complete in itself. I like to stick them in the folders of compilation albums sometimes, since those are already random collections of tracks.

There's an exception for certain kinds of bonus tracks, tho. Old school bands tend to do this more, but things like "Flaming metal systems" on Crystal Logic or "Judas" on Keeper of the seven keys part 1, stuck in the middle of the album, do seem to add something to the work as a whole. Neither of those albums would be as good without those included. So I leave internal bonus tracks in most of the time, as they are usually well placed.
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aaronmb666
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:55 am 
 

Only one's Ive gone out of the way to get are the one's from Carcass- Surgical Steel. Other than that, I dont care for demo's or live songs.

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Jonpo
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:26 pm 
 

I adore demo tracks or obscure single/split tracks. Live versions of the same songs already on the album are always a miss for me.
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Direnotes
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:54 am 
 

I think the only bonus tracks I really ever appreciated were on Bleeding Through's THE TRUTH because the cut tracks were in most cases better then those on that album (the band got way better with their last few albums). The worst and most pointless ones I've experienced were on SAMAEL's 'Eternal' album - in which you get twice as much songs which are all very minor almost unchanged alternate versions of every track.

My Moonspell 'Night Eternal' vinyl was also sort of lame, boasting 3 pointless alternate takes of Scorpion Flowers.

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DisembowelMe
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:01 am 
 

In general, fuck bonus tracks. When I download music, I usually end up deleting them, and when I listen to a cd with bonus tracks (vinyls and tapes usually don't have this problem), I cut off the listening session where they begin. It's like the fat that you trim off steaks.

It's definitely the worst when they're just a few live tracks or a song from a demo. I didn't put the cd on for a few snippets of a live experience or an incomplete collection of earlier recordings, I want to listen to the fucking album as it is without a disparate selection of songs disrupting it's aura. However, while it's generally preferable to have the album and extra songs physically seperated, the inclusion of songs originally outside the album is rectified when they are less "bonus tracks", and are made more a part of a compilation, like how the Privilege of Evil EP by Amorphis was included on The Karelian Isthmus. It just feels immediately more.. "whole"?

Original songs (i.e. songs not available elsewhere, such as japanese bonus tracks) are usually okay too, as they are usually recorded in the same recording session as the album, and thus detract much less from the 'wholeness' they otherwise would.

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Crick
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:19 am 
 

I like bonus tracks. Particularly because I'm not a fucking dinosaur, and I rip my CDs to my computer, rather than listening to them in a god damned stereo. It's more music, gimme gimme! Then again, I'm also the sorta scum who likes to listen to tracks out of order. :D

...Hidden tracks though, hidden tracks can fuck right the fuck off. I always have to fucking cut out the silence and split the songs into two separate files so I can listen to the hidden track by itself when I want to.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:10 pm 
 

Crick wrote:
...Hidden tracks though, hidden tracks can fuck right the fuck off. I always have to fucking cut out the silence and split the songs into two separate files so I can listen to the hidden track by itself when I want to.


Metadata, pregaps, hidden tracks... they can all rightfully fug off. Drives me nuts trying to codify this crap on the site.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:01 pm 
 

Bonus tracks I usually don't have a problem with unless they don't fit the general consensus of an album. Take for example live tracks, in my opinion they belong in albums of a similar nature (well actually I would rather there wasn't live tracks as that defeats the objective of a live performance, in my view) although I do rate "Made in Japan" quite highly and I still do. I have seen some bonus tracks which have just one instrument playing which I think is completely ridiculous on the other hand, I can see why those tracks are useful to some people but I generally despise them being included as bonus tracks. My favourite style of bonus track is previously unreleased tracks but even then those come with a hit and miss label for me (same thing with demos). Repulsion got it right on the reissue of Horrified by putting those demos onto a separate disc so as to not spoil the album.

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DennisDemoniarch
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:15 pm 
 

Bonus tracks or anything remotely reeking of commercialism consumerism trickery and nonsense gets ridiculous.

I believe that an album should be a statement, a chosen selection of songs that make that album ...well, the album! The songs flow and the album itself flows from a beginning to an end. Anything these record label's slap on as bonus songs is ridiculous. What exactly is a bonus song anyways? Why isn't it part of the album?

Now I realize a band can write 15 songs and they determine only 10 are worth putting on the album, so they have five extra... well those are for a EP later down the road so people do not forget who you are when you are perhaps stagnating writing a new album right? ...not bonus songs slapped onto the album upon initial release, I mean... it doesn't make any sense.
Regional bonus songs is even more of an idiocy ...gimmick bullshit.

There are numerous times the band must also think along these lines, cause more often than not many of these so called bonus songs sounded like a half assed attempt at labels demand to just give those bastards in the suits something to play their marketing bullshit with.

Metal isn't the top 40 and labels should wake up and realize that.

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joncheetham88
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:27 pm 
 

Yeah hidden tracks, twenty minutes of silence then a song, all that noise... totally infuriating. I can't imagine why any band would do this nonsense. However on the whole I love bonus tracks. It can be a bit odd sometimes if the album comes to a nice conclusion, and every song fits in its place, then you get an extra one that seems like it should have been up in the first few tracks, but if it sounds good I generally won't complain.

A good example from this year is the new Epica, there's what, four or five extra songs, not even acoustic or live or demo or anything, on different versions, and they are all pretty good. A couple of them are amongst the best stuff recorded in those sessions, with some marvelous orchestral sections. A nice change since their bonus tracks in the past have usuall been pretty weak.

Another band whose bonus tracks I always hunt down (even to the extent of owning different versions of CD singles) is Nightwish. I unashamedly adore the bonus songs from the sessions for Once and Dark Passion Play.

EDIT: When it comes to saving extra songs for an EP, I feel I have to point out that people get annoyed at that as well because it seems like the band is after a quick buck again. So as a band you really can't win, whether you 'spoil' the album you've written by making extra songs an addendum, or lure people into buying different versions, or place them separately on another release. Carcass put their leftovers from Surgical Steel on an EP and it got lambasted from what I've seen.
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MonumentalBlackArt
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 12:31 am 
 

But that's because it was Carcass. Horna has done that a couple times and nobody's been up in arms about it.

I hate bonus tracks. I would much rather have a separate EP.

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High Gain
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:04 pm 
 

I hate bonus and hidden tracks. They either need to be included on the main album upfront or done as an ep available for all. I absolutely hate it when certain tracks are only available in Japan or on a digipack, but not on a normal release. I also hate it when extra tracks are available on cd, but not on vinyl or vise versa.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:20 pm 
 

Since bonus tracks were not deemed worthy of inclusion on an album, when it comes time for the bonus tracks to come, a part of me never recognizes it as part of the album. Ultimately, they take me out of the intended experience of an album. Reign In Blood was always meant to end with the conclusion of "Raining Blood". It`s clear the album`s over, so just leave it be. I do opt for expanded/special editions of albums mainly because the collector in me likes the different packaging. If you`re going to do it, just put it on the end of the album. That way, we can hear the album as it was meant to be heard, but if we want to hear something extra, it`s there. If not, we stop with the track before it. I feel like I never got to experience At War With Reality correctly because they stick the bonus tracks in the center of the album.

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teh_Foxx0rz
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:24 pm 
 

^ Bonus tracks in the middle of the album: A lot of bands I'm into have that, but those bonus tracks feel like part of the album to me, and getting the normal edition would be missing part of the album. Sometimes too they've been on a reissue, and the original was on something like cassette where there's not half as much room, so it's as though they were simply cut out due to time constraints but were meant to be there in the beginning. Of course, this only works when the track is of the same recording quality as the rest of the album and not like a demo or tracks from an EP randomly scattered through the tracklist; that would be frustrating (like some of the enhanced CD Maiden reissues, with like Sanctuary as track 2 when it wasn't there, though that's not the worst example for me).

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Yahko
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:17 pm 
 

There are a few bonus songs on albums that I liked as much as the singles from the album. Nowdays when I download an album,shame that I dont buy, I get the Japanese deluxe limited edition special b-side unreleased songs album so I dont have to hunt down stuff. What I do like more is hidden tracks at the end rather than just unreleased bonus trucks. Usually its like talking or some comedic stuff in making the album or some other wired stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:23 am 
 

John_Sunlight wrote:

There's an exception for certain kinds of bonus tracks, tho. Old school bands tend to do this more, but things like "Flaming metal systems" on Crystal Logic or "Judas" on Keeper of the seven keys part 1, stuck in the middle of the album, do seem to add something to the work as a whole. Neither of those albums would be as good without those included. So I leave internal bonus tracks in most of the time, as they are usually well placed.



My CD of Keeper 1 doesn't have "Judas" on it. It makes absolutely no sense to put it there for several reasons. It's not from the same recording session (unlike the Manilla Road track), it has Kai Hansen on vocals, and the lyrics don't fit anywhere in the concept of the Keeper albums. It's also included on pretty much every version of Walls of Jericho, and it's not randomly inserted into the running order of that one either.
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