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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:06 am 
 

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Tony, this is where you pull out your bottle of ketchup?



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:29 am 
 

Encore! Encore!
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:21 am 
 

failsafeman wrote:
Jonpo wrote:
BastardHead wrote a pretty sweet review of Manilla Road fans.

He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, though. I mean, yeah they're not too popular in this country, but in certain parts of Europe they're pretty fucking big. They've headlined multiple fests there. They're DEFINITELY not a Metal Archives phenomenon like Timeghoul, though obviously the internet has contributed to their popularity.


Most of the Manilla Road fans that I know have never used Metal Archives. Most the Manilla Road fans I know were introduced to them by older metal dudes, and before they were such a big deal on the internets.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:31 am 
 

"Give my love to Klaus!" - George Carlin

And that is how I feel right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:37 am 
 

My indifference toward Manilla Road is a big part of my unique personality. I'm like Switzerland. Eternal war rages on around me, and I sit untouched, spotless in my impregnable fortress of Manilla Roadlessness. There's a huge empty space between Maeror Tri and Manipulator on my iTunes list and every time I scroll past it I swell with pride at my boundless neutrality.

@Crushed: You shouldn't have! They'd better be black... you know how picky I am.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:37 am 
 

I only know Open The Gates. 'Tis pretty good. Not the best USPM I've heard though.
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PhilosophicalFrog
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:40 am 
 

I've said it before, but yeah, I'm with 'Mere. Manilla Road is just "meh" at best. Not terrible, not great, but certainly not worth fighting over!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:58 am 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Yeah I'm a bit of a dick when it comes to taking shots at incredibly loyal fans, not much I can say to defend that other than "deal with it".

I am dealing with it. By calling you names on the internet! :D

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That argument genuinely pisses me off. Blaming the listener for not understanding some intangible bullshit instead of the musician for making less than compelling music will ALWAYS make you seem like an utter moron.

Except a lot of the time that's just what it is. It makes you look like a moron when you imply that the musician is either making compelling music or he isn't. What counts as "compelling" varies widely based on the listener. In short: why the fuck do people have such an allergic reaction to admitting that they really don't "get it"? I freely admit I don't get lots of things. I don't "get" most black metal. But I'm not going to rant about how it's the musicians' fault; they're making exactly the kind of music they want, for the fanbase that wants it. Assuming you're straight, are you going to blame gay porn directors for not making compelling porn, too?
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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:01 am 
 

Yeah, Necroticism174, do you think fans of music you don't find compelling are simply fans of uncompelling music altogether? That they simply love listening to tepid music?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:13 am 
 

Man I should really watch more gay porn. I still don't get what's so great about it but all the gays can't be wrong!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:00 pm 
 

I gotta admit it guys, but I was in almost the same position as BastardHead when I listened to MR the for the first time (though I wasn't nearly as scathing as him). All I heard were cool riffs and amazing solos (those were great from the beginning) being seriously hampered by a dated production, average songwriting, and awful vocals. But then I kept listening..... And I kept listening..... And as such, an album clicked with me; Spiral Castle. Not long after Atlantis Rising followed suit, and nowadays..... Well, nowadays there're still a couple of albums from the Road's discography which I'm yet to check out, but in the course of more or less a year I have grown to appreciate them a lot. And yes, they invoke that whole mystical, occult, and epic atmosphere. It's just that some people see it, and some people don't. There's nothing wrong with that. Hell, just as Failsafeman I don't get the vast majority of black metal, yet there are plenty of people who love the style, and I won't be seen giving them shit for that. Cognitive dissonance and all that.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:33 pm 
 

Yeah, "not getting it" can sometimes sound condescending, but most of the time it's really not. MR as a band have a strange way of having a hypnotic kind of spell over you. Sometimes I'm just not in the mood for them at all, but then other times they're all I can play. I'd like to do a review talking about this odd quality of theirs (which is more pronounced than in other bands - the combination of their sloppy, doom/thrash hybrid riffing, wild, seizure-inducing soloing and Shelton's vocal inflections just creates something powerful and individualistic, yet also not something widely accessible), and maybe I will sometime. But FSM is right, some things you really just don't "get," and all you can do is admit it's just not for you sometimes.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:38 pm 
 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/06/i ... -graduate/

LMAO
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:47 pm 
 

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/06/idaho-lawmakers-bill-forces-students-to-pass-atlas-shrugged-test-to-graduate/

LMAO


HAHAHAHA holy shit, what a joke.
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But Goedde said that he filed the bill to make a point and does not plan on pushing the issue. [...] “I don’t plan on moving this forward – it was a statement.”

So not only does he proposes this ludicrous bill, but he knows it has no chance of passing yet proposes it anyway, wasting everyone's time.

American politics are so lol.
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Abominatrix
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:15 pm 
 

Jonpo wrote:
The first two and a half paragraphs were excruciating to read, so I stopped. Maybe there are some of these fans you've encountered out there but I'm not one of them, and I haven't seen much of it here. I openly welcome criticism of the band because I enjoy dissenting opinions just GET TO IT ALREADY. I actually said in the H/S/P thread upon hearing The Grey God Passes for the first time that I thought the vocals sounded unfinished/rushed, like they were a guide track or something.

Their last two albums are, unquestionably by my personal standards, the weakest they've ever put out. The thing is I don't look to them for perfect albums anymore. I truly believe Spiral Castle was the last one Mark had in him. With that being said he's what, like pushing 60? And still churning out albums I find highly enjoyable (though by no means perfect, or even close). I don't know many other bands whose 13th, 14th, and 15th albums are even LISTENABLE let alone worth spending my money on.


I can't see it as a steady decline really, and I really like Playground of the Damned. That doesn't mean the band doesn't have weak albums though; for me that would be Atlantis Rising, and I guess in a sense, Invasion, though I still think the latter is fun to listen to.

How's the new job Jonpo?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:57 pm 
 

Hey dudes, found my old tape recorder, thought I'd share this, debating on making more stuff like this? tell me if you dig.

https://soundcloud.com/sambecherer/dark ... cassette-1
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:05 pm 
 

Long story short: BastardHead wishes Manilla Road sounded like Children of Bodom and various other Euro disco acts.

Shorter story long: apparently, I'm almost a qualified English teacher. Aiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeee!

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failsafeman wrote:
Gargoyle bore the shit out of me too, but you don't see me getting pissy about their niche popularity and taking potshots at you and Crick and their other fans.


What other fans? I always assumed that it was Crick operating under various different pseudonyms.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:26 pm 
 

Abominatrix wrote:
I can't see it as a steady decline really, and I really like Playground of the Damned. That doesn't mean the band doesn't have weak albums though; for me that would be Atlantis Rising, and I guess in a sense, Invasion, though I still think the latter is fun to listen to.

How's the new job Jonpo?


I'm not going to lie, I actually forgot about Atlantis Rising when I typed that. I'll need more time with Playground and Mysterium both to see whether they end up being more enjoyable than AR. I didn't have any problems with that album though. It also may be of note that it was supposed to be the SHARK album, not Manilla Road originally. I wouldn't say there's been a steady decline either, because Spiral Castle (!!!!) and Voyager are both spikes of greatness. And I'd throw "The Frost Giant's Daughter" trilogy from Gates of Fire on that list as well. I'm just saying that I DO grade Manilla Road on a curve, because I don't have the same expectations from them I would in the 80s or early 90s.

The new job is great so far. I'm 6 days in and they're letting me drive pretty much completely solo. All I really do is call people who need supplies and make sure they get refilled. I get to refer to myself as a "Pharmacy Tech" though, and when I told a girl that's what I did her eyes lit up in a very interesting way. So I guess there are some fringe benefits to the job I hadn't considered.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:26 pm 
 

PhilosophicalFrog wrote:
Hey dudes, found my old tape recorder, thought I'd share this, debating on making more stuff like this? tell me if you dig.

https://soundcloud.com/sambecherer/dark ... cassette-1


I dug that. Very mournful, especially with those distant and distorted vocals. Like those dirtier organ tones that come in toward the end.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:30 pm 
 

Xlxlx wrote:
I gotta admit it guys, but I was in almost the same position as BastardHead when I listened to MR the for the first time (though I wasn't nearly as scathing as him). All I heard were cool riffs and amazing solos (those were great from the beginning) being seriously hampered by a dated production, average songwriting, and awful vocals.

It's been 7 years since I first heard of Manilla Road and I still think the same way. Hellroadie I didn't mind that much but Shark's vocals were awful. My opinion hasn't changed, but you summed it up right here regarding the rest of the music, xl.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:32 pm 
 

It's funny, I would actually say the solos are my biggest complaint about current Manilla Road. They were PICTURE PERFECT on Spiral Castle, because it sounded like he actually took the time to sit down and write them so that they perfectly flowed with the music. Pretty much every other reunion album ('cept select parts from Voyager) sound pretty obviously like he just improvs a solo each time. Which is AMAZING from a technical stand-point to be able to keep doing that and be happy with the results. Personally they've gotten kind of samey for me though. I miss the way he used to play solos in the 80-85 days where they were much slower and wrought with emotion.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:33 pm 
 

Jonpo wrote:
I'm not going to lie, I actually forgot about Atlantis Rising when I typed that. I'll need more time with Playground and Mysterium both to see whether they end up being more enjoyable than AR. I didn't have any problems with that album though. It also may be of note that it was supposed to be the SHARK album, not Manilla Road originally. I wouldn't say there's been a steady decline either, because Spiral Castle (!!!!) and Voyager are both spikes of greatness. And I'd throw "The Frost Giant's Daughter" trilogy from Gates of Fire on that list as well. I'm just saying that I DO grade Manilla Road on a curve, because I don't have the same expectations from them I would in the 80s or early 90s.


Yeah, I know it wasn't supposed to be Manilla Road. It does feel to me like it has production and vocal issues, and the drumming isnt' that impressive, either. I should have really ammended that to raed "weaker" albums though as even the least good Manilla Road is still high-grade stuff for me, just not played often like their stellar albums.

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The new job is great so far. I'm 6 days in and they're letting me drive pretty much completely solo. All I really do is call people who need supplies and make sure they get refilled. I get to refer to myself as a "Pharmacy Tech" though, and when I told a girl that's what I did her eyes lit up in a very interesting way. So I guess there are some fringe benefits to the job I hadn't considered.


haha, well I'm sure with your philtres and concoctions you can cause many more girls to uh, light up in interesting ways. :D

Edit: Jonpo, really, I think some of his best solos ever are on Gates of Fire. That whole last doomy trilogy (the one about Sparta) has some brilliant solo work on all three tracks. You want slow and emotional, ther'es your ticket!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:37 pm 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:
Most of the Manilla Road fans that I know have never used Metal Archives. Most the Manilla Road fans I know were introduced to them by older metal dudes, and before they were such a big deal on the internets.


This is actually very true because I'm one of those guys who was introduced to this band by much older doom/heavy metal fans who probably don't frequent the internets as much as we do. I can understand the raging support for the band. The band has a strong legacy. I really haven't listened to much of their stuff to say that I'm a fan.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:37 pm 
 

OzzyApu wrote:
Xlxlx wrote:
I gotta admit it guys, but I was in almost the same position as BastardHead when I listened to MR the for the first time (though I wasn't nearly as scathing as him). All I heard were cool riffs and amazing solos (those were great from the beginning) being seriously hampered by a dated production, average songwriting, and awful vocals.

It's been 7 years since I first heard of Manilla Road and I still think the same way. Hellroadie I didn't mind that much but Shark's vocals were awful. My opinion hasn't changed, but you summed it up right here regarding the rest of the music, xl.

Yeah, what I'm trying to say is that, when you like them, the musical traits usually used to criticize them become precisely the reasons you love them. The dated production values become charming and uncompromising, the songwriting stops being average and its place is taken by larger than life, epic compositions, and Shark starts sounding less like a bleating goat, and more like a great singer who simply happens to have a fucking weird voice. As said before, it's a matter of cognitive dissonance regarding whether you start liking them or not. I'm not saying that this is the case with everyone who has listened to Manilla Road, but it's my perception of the subject based on personal experience, and I'm sticking to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:40 pm 
 

Abominatrix wrote:
Edit: Jonpo, really, I think some of his best solos ever are on Gates of Fire. That whole last doomy trilogy (the one about Sparta) has some brilliant solo work on all three tracks. You want slow and emotional, ther'es your ticket!


Hahah god damnit, this is one of the reasons I love the band. You can't make ANY blanket statements (even with my own addendums!) because there is always some golden exception. You're right of course, and I do remember that now. It's been quite a while since I've listened to GoF in full. Usually I just treat it like a perfect EP with an hour of bonus tracks.

I'm not allowed anywhere inside the "mixing" room so no swirling cauldrons for me yet. They've said there'll be a day though.
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What I was saying is that if someone doesn't find something compelling, no amount of whining or attempts at convincing, saying they ''don't get it'' will change that. The musician made music that doesn't appeal to the listener. There isn't some mystical element and subtle element, as Road fans tend to go on about, that will suddenly MAGICALLY ENLIGHTEN the listener. Furthermore, if I were to record myself farting, overlay it with shrieking and sounds of sheet metal, some noise fans would inevitably end up liking it. But it's still me fucking farting.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:06 pm 
 

Why the hell am I just now listening to Pestilence's debut for the first time? I think my thrash playlist is in need of an update.

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Necroticism174 wrote:
Furthermore, if I were to record myself farting, overlay it with shrieking and sounds of sheet metal, some noise fans would inevitably end up liking it.


I love your work in Anaal Nathrakh.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:41 pm 
 

No one cares about my opinion really, but LOL @ targeting a review to troll users on any particular message board. BastardHead, if you had any intentions of this review being in any way meaningful, god, even 6 months from now, you should have done a significantly better job writing it. Basically there's two directions this went - either #1, it was base level trolling. #2 is you saw it as a serious attempt at reviewing the record with zero perspective as to the greater space of this forum or the discussions happening in the here and now in the greater sense of the internet/world/whatever. I'm assuming it was #1, in which case I guess you got what you wanted in the subsequent replies here.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:52 pm 
 

So not liking an album, thinking the band as a whole is overrated, and that the fanbase is mildly delusional, mentioning all of this within a review, and then defending myself when challenged = trolling. Got it. I gave my reasoning for everything, I really don't know what else you want from me other than for me to admit something that isn't true (that I just wrote that to get a rise out of a niche fanbase). I wrote it because I didn't like what I heard, and there were a ton of people praising it for reasons I did not glean from the album in the slightest.

This place needs some IcyHot Diapers, there is so much fucking butthurt, my god.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:59 pm 
 

Me believing that you spent approximately half the review basically calling out Manilla Road fans on M-A was trolling is me giving you benefit of the doubt, FWIW. The majority of the world outside M-A who looks up Manilla Road through Google or whatever and finds your review will have no idea what you're talking about and won't care. 2-3-4-5 years from now when people on this forum and others have moved on to giving each other e-circle jerks for whatever favored target of the moment has become that generations obsession (maybe it cycles back to Dan Swano and Mike Patton, a la late 90s?) will look at your review and see it as archaic and meaningless to them and in no way really critical about the music besides quickly dissing it and throwing it aside.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:04 pm 
 

Except for the vast majority of the review which handles the music. Did anybody other than Emp actually read past the first two paragraphs?

Also, I've gotten this criticism before (my reviews won't stand the test of time), so let me ask an honest question out of y'all, how many reviews from several years ago do you read? People might not understand a joke I make thirty years from now or I'll reference a phenomenon that fizzles out in five years, boo fucking hoo I'm not Mel Brooks (obviously, I'd be a lot funnier if I was) nor am I Roger Ebert. I'm a dude who reviews metal albums on the internet and makes dick jokes.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:09 pm 
 

How many do I read from several years ago? Depends on the record I've decided to look up. If I look up Jag Panzer's Ample Destruction there's been two reviews in the last 5 years. Dude, you can do whatever you want. You can write a review about whatever that talks well or badly of Noktorn. Maybe you'd care. Maybe a few others would care. Maybe Noktorn would care. I don't know the guy, never did, and wouldn't care. 5 years ago when Noktorn is even further in the rear view mirror of this forum, what percentage of the regular posters will give a fuck? Maybe 5%? 3%?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:22 pm 
 

So are you saying that Manilla Road's crazy loyal fandom is just a flash in the pan and nobody will care and as such will be confused when I mention the giant, rabid fanbase? I really don't follow...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:34 pm 
 

BH, do you really believe that 4-5 years from now there will be an equivalent amount of discussion about Manilla Road on this particular forum? Either you believe that or you spent the introduction targetting those people for the sake of trolling them right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:35 pm 
 

Where the "you don't get it" arguments get annoying is when you never get told specifically what you're not getting. Looking at the black metal point brought up earlier, if someone tells me I don't get darkspace, they can pin point that I don't find the repetitive riffs hypnotic, and that I don't find the clear production as fitting for creepy atmospherpic Bm as Paysage D'Hiver. With Manilla Road that doesn't happen, its always "it is mystical and epic", but no specific areas are ver given, so I can't even comprehend what exactly I'm not picking up on.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:41 pm 
 

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Where the "you don't get it" arguments get annoying is when you never get told specifically what you're not getting. Looking at the black metal point brought up earlier, if someone tells me I don't get darkspace, they can pin point that I don't find the repetitive riffs hypnotic, and that I don't find the clear production as fitting for creepy atmospherpic Bm as Paysage D'Hiver. With Manilla Road that doesn't happen, its always "it is mystical and epic", but no specific areas are ver given, so I can't even comprehend what exactly I'm not picking up on.


How do you want "mystical" defined as a musical value in songwriting or performance?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:46 pm 
 

In the performance, or the songwriting, whatever. Just some kind of to he point direction as to here the mysticism and occult vibes are coming from, because so far I've seen nothing but "the whole thing as a whole".
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Manilla Road = srs bsness.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:54 pm 
 

They're a traditional blues based metal band with a sound laden with psych rock influences. If you're not the kind of person who finds that particular brand of music trippy, then it probably won't go anywhere with you and it may just appear to you as being variations of Amboy Dukes' "Stranglehold" with warbly vocals. Which is fine if that's how you feel. Honestly, that's kinda where I'm at with the band. But that's pretty much the score.

I just don't get this fascination with trying to objectively break down why people like the band or don't like them as if there is a right or wrong answer.
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