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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:52 pm 
 

‘I’m No Longer Afraid’: 35 Women Tell Their Stories About Being Assaulted by Bill Cosby, and the Culture That Wouldn’t Listen

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Perhaps the most shocking thing wasn’t that Buress had called Cosby a rapist; it was that the world had actually heard him. A decade earlier, 14 women had accused Cosby of rape. In 2005, a former basketball star named Andrea Constand, who met Cosby when she was working in the athletic department at Temple University, where he served on the board of trustees, alleged to authorities that he had drugged her to a state of semi-consciousness and then groped and digitally penetrated her. After her allegations were made public, a California lawyer named Tamara Green appeared on the Today show and said that, 30 years earlier, Cosby had drugged and assaulted her as well. Eventually, 12 Jane Does signed up to tell their own stories of being assaulted by Cosby in support of Constand’s case. Several of them eventually made their names public. But they were met, mostly, with skepticism, threats, and attacks on their character.

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The group of women Cosby allegedly assaulted functions almost as a longitudinal study — both for how an individual woman, on her own, deals with such trauma over the decades and for how the culture at large has grappled with rape over the same time period. In the ’60s, when the first alleged assault by Cosby occurred, rape was considered to be something violent committed by a stranger; acquaintance rape didn’t register as such, even for the women experiencing it. A few of Cosby’s accusers claim that he molested or raped them multiple times; one remained in his orbit, in and out of a drugged state, for years. In the ’70s and ’80s, campus movements like Take Back the Night and “No Means No” helped raise awareness of the reality that 80 to 90 percent of victims know their attacker. Still, the culture of silence and shame lingered, especially when the men accused had any kind of status. The first assumption was that women who accused famous men were after money or attention. As Cosby allegedly told some of his victims: No one would believe you. So why speak up?

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There are now 46 women who have come forward publicly to accuse Cosby of rape or sexual assault; the 35 women here are the accusers who were willing to be photographed and interviewed by New York. The group, at present, ranges in age from early 20s to 80 and includes supermodels Beverly Johnson and Janice Dickinson alongside waitresses and Playboy bunnies and journalists and a host of women who formerly worked in show business. Many of the women say they know of others still out there who’ve chosen to remain silent.

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All 35 were interviewed separately, and yet their stories have remarkable similarities, in everything from their descriptions of the incidents to the way they felt in the aftermath. Each story is awful in its own right. But the horror is multiplied by the sheer volume of seeing them together, reading them together, considering their shared experience. The women have found solace in their number — discovering that they hadn’t been alone, that there were others out there who believed them implicitly, with whom they didn’t need to be afraid of sharing the darkest details of their lives.


I read the whole thing, including every single testimony. It's horrifying, but these women's voices needed to be heard. And those are just the ones that came forward; there are many more out there who are just too frightened to say anything, even now.

After reading all these stories, I'm wondering if there is even one young woman out there that he met that he didn't rape.
Yet it's crazy how similar each story is, despite being told independently. So many young women trusting him to help them break into the industry. But sometimes just plain random women too, like that journalist who asked him for an interview, or a waitress at a bar, or even a completely random woman who worked in a donut shop he happened to patronize. He acts all fatherly and kindly and no one would ever not trust him, so when he gives them a drink why should they refuse? He pretty much perfected the pattern. Sickening.

And how many times the lines "You do know that’s [Hugh] Hefner’s best friend, right? Nobody’s going to believe you. I suggest you shut your mouth.". Whoever the people who said this are, should be tried as accomplices. Fucking assholes. And whoever provides all these pills, too. There's no way he obtained so much drugs legally, is there?

And in some of the stories, Cosby actually did have an accomplice. In one of the stories the woman was raped by a friend of Cosby while he watched and they laughed at her. Just how fucking evil and depraved can a man be? And of course this serial rapist psychopath is still walking. :( I guess it's small comfort that his legacy is ruined the way OJ's was, but that's not nearly enough.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:26 pm 
 

So, so fucked up. It's revolting to think that his sexual assaults have been going on since the mid '60s, all the while his career has prospered and grown. It's even more revolting that he denies every one of them to this day. I'm sure the only thing more disturbing than being sexually assaulted is not having anyone to talk to about it, keeping it secret for decades, then being called a liar when you finally address it.

I'm sure as a Canadian you're also familiar with Jian Ghomeshi, Morrigan? An equally reprehensible piece of shit. Not sure if that story got much coverage outside of Canada.

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Moritz was getting ready to appear on the Tonight Show when someone opened the door of her dressing room. Cosby stepped inside and closed the door behind him. He stood above Moritz and unzipped his pants. He pushed his penis into her mouth. “It was automatic. It was like he did this with everyone that was on a show with him backstage. I couldn’t push him away. He was Mr. Cosby. He moved himself back and forth, and my head was on his penis at all times. Finally, they called my name. I was supposed to be out, but he wouldn’t let me go. He rushed out and came out on my call, and he said, ‘I am Louisa Moritz,’ and got a huge laugh, which was my laugh I was supposed to get. I don’t remember if they introduced me again. I was a zombie. But I sat down and the show went on. I didn’t look at him. He didn’t look at me.”


Jesus fucking christ. Reading through some of these - what a despicable man he is. There's real malice and hatred here far beyond anything I could have imagined.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:25 pm 
 

What a fucking piece of shit. Is he even being investigated for this shit? It would be absolutely crazy if he wasn't. Just the sheer number should at least be a red flag. It's quite amazing that they're showing their faces, I expected a higher number of them to speak anonymously. Here's hoping that the fucker gets his somehow.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:25 pm 
 

Razakel wrote:
I'm sure as a Canadian you're also familiar with Jian Ghomeshi, Morrigan? An equally reprehensible piece of shit. Not sure if that story got much coverage outside of Canada.

Nope, never heard of him. Maybe it's mostly outside of Québec?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:46 pm 
 

Nah, it made the news here too, also a disgusting man.

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Death penalty should do it.
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Empyreal wrote:
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Moritz was getting ready to appear on the Tonight Show when someone opened the door of her dressing room. Cosby stepped inside and closed the door behind him. He stood above Moritz and unzipped his pants. He pushed his penis into her mouth. “It was automatic. It was like he did this with everyone that was on a show with him backstage. I couldn’t push him away. He was Mr. Cosby. He moved himself back and forth, and my head was on his penis at all times. Finally, they called my name. I was supposed to be out, but he wouldn’t let me go. He rushed out and came out on my call, and he said, ‘I am Louisa Moritz,’ and got a huge laugh, which was my laugh I was supposed to get. I don’t remember if they introduced me again. I was a zombie. But I sat down and the show went on. I didn’t look at him. He didn’t look at me.”

Jesus fucking christ. Reading through some of these - what a despicable man he is. There's real malice and hatred here far beyond anything I could have imagined.

Christ, the sheer arrogance it would take to actually do something like that and expect to get away with it - and then actually get away with it. Honestly it seems like he kept doing it because nobody punished him and that made it OK in his mind. It was just his right. The only reason he's getting caught now is because of the sheer number of women he did this with - think about how many men in similar positions did similar things only a few times and never got caught and never will be. I mean, how likely is it that ONLY Cosby thought of doing this and ONLY Cosby ever did it? It's clear had at least a few accomplices from the testimony, and it's very likely that there were many many more men doing this independently. Kim Fowley for example, manager of The Runaways (Joan Jett, Lita Ford, etc.) was known for taking advantage of young girls in a similar way, but he died earlier this year without ever facing justice.
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failsafeman wrote:
Kim Fowley for example, manager of The Runaways (Joan Jett, Lita Ford, etc.) was known for taking advantage of young girls in a similar way, but he died earlier this year without ever facing justice.


Don't forget about Jimmy Savile, at one point 450 people had made complaints about him. The guy sexually assaulted kids from ages as low as eight years old. He had some accusations while he was alive, but everything finally came out after he died.
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Disturbing stuff, and there'll be a special seat in hell for him if it's all true, but they're only allegations at this point in time.
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MARSDUDE wrote:
Disturbing stuff, and there'll be a special seat in hell for him if it's all true, but they're only allegations at this point in time.


And if there's ever any evidence that proves their stories false, that'll be one thing, but there's no reason to think this many people would come out publicly and lie like this.
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Yes, there's simply far too many accusations for them to all be false. Something's up.

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MARSDUDE wrote:
Disturbing stuff, and there'll be a special seat in hell for him if it's all true, but they're only allegations at this point in time.


And OJ is innocent, am I right?
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I mean, he's technically right in that the assumption is supposed to be innocence until proven guilty. But at the same time, common sense exists and this is just so far past the point of "well maybe somebody is just trying to ruin him for whatever reason" and well into "Jesus fucking hell Cliff Huxtable, what the fuck is wrong with you".
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Besides which, innocent until proven guilty is for the legal system. Unless someone in this thread ends up on the jury that eventually tries Cosby, it's perfectly reasonable for us to draw conclusions based on available evidence.
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Nochielo wrote:
What a fucking piece of shit. Is he even being investigated for this shit? It would be absolutely crazy if he wasn't. Just the sheer number should at least be a red flag. It's quite amazing that they're showing their faces, I expected a higher number of them to speak anonymously. Here's hoping that the fucker gets his somehow.


Mind you I'm not following this whole thing very closely, pretty much just what I hear on the radio, but as far as I'm aware most of these cases fall beyond the statute of limitations on rape/assault in America.

Speaking of the statute and also the legal punishment, this country is fucking despicable. How on earth can there be a limitation on trying someone for this? Also the punishment for rape in America is far, far below what it should be. You can get more time for drug charges and misdemeanors than some of these shit heads get. Not wanting to derail, just saying America is fucked on these issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:21 pm 
 

Oh, that's right, I forgot about the statute of limitations. I think we got rid of that for rape charges a few years back, but I can't remember, it isn't the kind of thing that makes headlines when we are headed face first into Greece's economic situation, but I digress. Just the fact that the statute of limitations was ever even a thing is a total shame. Is beneficial to anyone? Because I'd like to hear reasoning in favor of that. Even if we are playing devil's advocate.
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BastardHead wrote:
I mean, he's technically right in that the assumption is supposed to be innocence until proven guilty. But at the same time, common sense exists and this is just so far past the point of "well maybe somebody is just trying to ruin him for whatever reason" and well into "Jesus fucking hell Cliff Huxtable, what the fuck is wrong with you".


It was at that point in November last year when everyone started to see exactly how many accusations there were.

Personally I don't see how anyone could play devil's advocate with this and try to defend him. There's no evidence any of the women are lying (beyond amateur opinions on what stories sound credible or how seriously rape accusations should be taken, which are the opinions of children and not adults), and there's a mountain of testimony against him. Anyone trying to act like there's any doubt that he's guilty is really just playing games at this point for kicks - there's not an argument anymore.
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The statute of limitations for third and second degree rape is only 5 years but first degree rape there is none (for the state of NY where I live. Man that is fucked. I think Bill Cosby being a pariah is good enough and it really should be how we treat all rapists and sexual predators.
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Wouldn't the statute of limitations automatically invalidate any attempt to claim that these women were coming forward to try to get some kind of gain by lying? They can't legally file against Cosby anymore because of it, if I understand how it works, so it'd only be for the purposes of smear campaigning him, and I can't... Really imagine 35 women would group together just for that, unless they were all part of some secret conspiracy group or some crazy shit like that. I suppose I can see the loops one would have to jump through to believe the confessions were fake, but if thats your thinking process, everything must seem like a conspiracy.
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Kveldulfr wrote:
Death penalty should do it.
Kveldulfr wrote:
Death penalty should do it.


don't be silly! lock him up so the inmates can give him the taste of his own medicine...
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I think a good bit of the group resistant to believe these allegations is from the black community, many of whom just simply don't want to believe these stories could be true. For decades, Bill Cosby was the face of "respectable" (i.e. "not a thug," or not scary to white people) black people, and so if he did actually did this, then they'd have to admit that Cliff Huxtable a.k.a. Bill "My Wife and I are Intellectuals, Mind You" Cosby is a serial sex criminal. And that's only feeding people who are hesitant to believe these sorts of allegations anyways.

That said, fuck this guy. This is some next-level depravity. I hope whatever can be done legally gets done, because he more than has it coming.

And the audacity of him to try to tell journalists to not bring this shit up because it's "unethical" is mind-warping in its hubris and complete ignorance of what journalism actually is.
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Littlewolf wrote:
Kveldulfr wrote:
Death penalty should do it.
Kveldulfr wrote:
Death penalty should do it.


don't be silly! lock him up so the inmates can give him the taste of his own medicine...


I know, I've seen it in my job how the guards and inmates do justice with this kind of scum. Thing is that no one is instantly executed; they spent a considerable time in jail before the execution.

I hope this case helps to promote a change in general laws and terminate the statute of limitations of such horrible crimes.

I also wonder if there's at least 1 case that could be useful to charge this fucker. Just one is needed, if he's convicted for it justice will be done. If not, just burn his house to ashes or something.
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Razakel wrote:
I'm sure as a Canadian you're also familiar with Jian Ghomeshi, Morrigan? An equally reprehensible piece of shit. Not sure if that story got much coverage outside of Canada.

It's striking how similar the cases are. Both acted with complete impunity and used their celebrity to assault women for years. And when women started to come forward people didn't believe them, only until the reports became too numerous to ignore.

Disgusting, despicable behavior, and sad too because you know there are other public personalities doing the exact same thing, they just haven't been caught.

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I know prison rape jokes are still cool to tell in most places, but not here. Thanks.
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Razakel wrote:
I'm sure as a Canadian you're also familiar with Jian Ghomeshi, Morrigan? An equally reprehensible piece of shit. Not sure if that story got much coverage outside of Canada.


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It's striking how similar the cases are. Both acted with complete impunity and used their celebrity to assault women for years. And when women started to come forward people didn't believe them, only until the reports became too numerous to ignore.

Disgusting, despicable behavior, and sad too because you know there are other public personalities doing the exact same thing, they just haven't been caught.


Yeah, that's why I was immediately reminded of Ghomeshi after reading through this article, though I was already well aware of the accusations against Cosby. The only difference is that Ghomeshi's actually going to get what's coming to him, thank god. Still disgusts me that he continues to deny it and is pleading not guilty. What a fuckhead.

And yeah, saying rapists deserve to get raped in prison is a very scumbag thing to say. Rape is never okay or justified.

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Revenge fantasies are not cool. You could subject Cosby to prison rape or lingchi or whatever stupid fantasy is in your head, but that would not make his victims un-raped.
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Yeah honestly it's about him being punished for his disgusting crimes but the whole 'cut his head off' barbarity that people like to often indulge in is the stuff of animal thought. Violence begets violence. You're not making the victims feel better with your fantasies of death and torture.

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Yeah, better to just a) take away every penny he has, b) chemically castrate him and c) lock him up. Preferably in a room with "who's laughing now?" painted on the wall in large block letters.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:13 am 
 

Yeah, I hope Bill Clinton gets what's coming to him. Woops, my bad. Wrong Bill. No but seriously. What do you think about the many allegations and charges of rape brought up on Clinton? Do you believe those too?

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Clinton is actually good friends with a billionaire pedophile, so who knows. All bets are off when it comes to him.



Oh and fuck Bill Cosby. Spending his whole life developing a wise grandfatherly image while raping or assaulting (not to mention drugging) dozens of women, probably more? Sick.
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Woolie_Wool wrote:
You could subject Cosby to prison rape or lingchi or whatever[...]

I don't know what the fuck this is, but it sounds absolutely horrifying.
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The process involved tying the condemned prisoner to a wooden frame, usually in a public place. The flesh was then cut from the body in multiple slices in a process that was not specified in detail in Chinese law, and therefore most likely varied. In later times, opium was sometimes administered either as an act of mercy or as a way of preventing fainting. The punishment worked on three levels: as a form of public humiliation, as a slow and lingering death, and as a punishment after death.


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Can we fucking not? Jesus Christ.
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I've always hated the whole "Let's punish this person by doing something equally if not more heinous to him!" thing. It doesn't accomplish anything except more senseless violence. Like someone in the thread said earlier, raping him in prison isn't going to un-rape all these women. What's really distressing is that whenever any sort of news of a person committing a reprehensible crime goes viral, a large amount of people (I don't want to say the majority, but it really does feel like that a lot of the time) will inevitably, if not immediately, go to that well. It's disconcerting and kinda worrying to see.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:24 am 
 

FasterDisaster wrote:
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You could subject Cosby to prison rape or lingchi or whatever[...]

I don't know what the fuck this is, but it sounds absolutely horrifying.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:38 pm 
 

What part of this:
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I know prison rape jokes are still cool to tell in most places, but not here. Thanks.

Do you idiots not understand? And this includes mutilation, torture, and other absurd revenge porn fantasies. Enough already.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:21 am 
 

Barbarism begats barbarism. It's human nature, no point getting upset over it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:10 am 
 

By that logic, there's no point in getting upset at Cosby's crime. It's just human nature for a man to want to dominate and subjugate women. And I shouldb't "be upset" at trolls and idiots because hey, it's the internet.

Or, you know, we can try to be better than that. If people aren't interested, well, they'll be shown the door.
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you can debate the actual date that metal began, but a fairly agreed upon date is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old
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Why Iron maiden is there? It's very far to be metal than a lot of some metal band.

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nekuomanteia
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:56 am 
 

What about counseling? You think he needs help dealing with keeping it inside his pants?

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