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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:28 am 
 

I was wondering where you got Hinduism too. ?
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:29 am 
 

I know this will sound hollow and meaningless now, but I truly meant Judaism. The rest of my post was swallowed up by a memory error--I'm nerd raging way too hard to try to salvage what I can remember of it now. Sorry for the delayed response.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:31 am 
 

It happens :P
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 4:08 am 
 

failsafeman wrote:
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Chakotay was a borderline racist caricature of a Native American (which became most evident during his "personal story" episodes--the 'vision quest' shit was just embarrassing); still, I thought he was a great sounding board for Janeway's Shakespearean soliloquies and a source of differing yet always rational perspectives. And, at the very least, you can't say he wasn't a consistent character, eh?

Still though, that Native American stuff was his culture, not his actual character - compare that to Worf, who was a Klingon and took Klingon culture very seriously, yet was much more than just a regular old Klingon.

I'm not really sure that's a fair comparison because Klingons have been a foundational component to Star Trek lore (since, what, the very first season of TOS?), so there's an established baseline against which Worf can be easily contrasted. Outside of an obscenely racist episode of the original series, there was no set culture for not only Chakotay's (fictional) tribe but for any Native Americans in all of Trek. It's an awful lot more difficult to show how one character is "special" if there's no way to highlight what exactly makes him so special.

Where Chakotay really came into his own wasn't through his heritage but through his willingness to bend the rules when he thought it was in the best interest of the crew; with Janeway, a single deviation from Starfleet protocol/The PD would cause a massive embolism in her brain; Chakotay, on the hand, regularly took on a more pragmatic, objective point of view (which was probably why he left Starfleet to join the Maquis in the first place), and not only often objected but would occasionally even downright defy Janeway's direct command. This behavior can be most easily observed in episodes like Scorpion and Equinox (two truly fantastic episodes, btw), but it comes up in some form another in most episodes. It was this tense-yet-respectful interplay between captain and first officer that made Chakotay unique... or at least, not a complete write-off.

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Tuvok was a Vulcan. Vulcans are hard to write for, harder to act and hardest to identify with. I adore everything about the character, and I can't help but think that people who don't just simply don't get Star Trek (then again, I don't get Klingons, so maybe I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.)

Sure Tuvok was a Vulcan, but so was Spock.

No, Spock was half human.
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Hell, so was what's-his-name in engineering on Voyager, who wanted to bang B'Elanna really bad in that one episode. That episode was a rare example of a realistic problem that would be unique to Voyager; Vulcans who go into heat in the Alpha Quadrant would presumably just be allowed to go back to Vulcan. Even that guy had a lot more character than Tuvok.

Uh, that episode, Blood Fever, was horrendous, as was the character of Vorik (sprung from the mind of that hack Michael Pill[age]). Tuvok's experience with the Pan Farr in the season seven corker "Body and Soul," on the other hand, was nuanced and moving: Tuvok reluctantly accepts the help of Tom Paris in creating a realistic holographic approximation of his wife so he can stave off death for at least another seven years; it may have only been a B-plot, but the bond formed between Tuvok and Paris--which showed a deepened sense of respect between the two yet still kept it wisely distant--was remarkable and touching and never once was it cheapened by melodramatic dialog or overacting.

I'll finish this tomorrow.

Side note, FSM: how much Enterprise have you seen, and how would you rank it against the other Treks?

EDIT: SPRUNG, not spurned. I'm an idiot.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 7:24 am 
 

Zombieland television series was cancelled just after one episode :-D We can all rest a little easier now.

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:47 am 
 

One of creators of the show blamed the fans hating it for it being cancelled.

As it should have been. It looked like total dogshit.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 12:41 am 
 

Series finale of Doctor Who today. Hmm...
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 2:01 am 
 

Been watching lots of Homeland for the last week or so. Pretty great show so far, glad I decided to pick it up. Playing the role of Brody seems like kind of an emotionally exhausting proposition.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 4:51 am 
 

Subrick wrote:
One of creators of the show blamed the fans hating it for it being cancelled.

As it should have been. It looked like total dogshit.


...So just like the movie, huh?

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Under_Starmere wrote:
Been watching lots of Homeland for the last week or so. Pretty great show so far, glad I decided to pick it up. Playing the role of Brody seems like kind of an emotionally exhausting proposition.

Good pick. Homeland is one of the better shows on TV, by far. Season 2 isn't as strong as season 1, but the S2 finale is pretty damn awesome and ballsy, so it's still very worth watching.

Though honestly, I think the character of Brody is just not remotely believable, that's probably the show's biggest flaw IMO.
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Morrigan wrote:
Though honestly, I think the character of Brody is just not remotely believable, that's probably the show's biggest flaw IMO.


Hmm, do you mean just conceptually the character doesn't seem believable, or more the way he's portrayed/written?

In other news, I think I'm abandoning Hannibal. I haven't watched the last two episodes and I feel no desire to catch up with the show. Meh, maybe I'll check it out again some rainy weekend a few months from now when I can just do it all in one go.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:50 am 
 

Bursting in on conversations after a long time. As you do. Don't mind me.

darkeningday wrote:
Uh, that episode, Blood Fever, was horrendous, as was the character of Vorik (spurned from the mind of that hack Michael Pill[age]). Tuvok's experience with the Pan Farr in the season seven corker "Body and Soul," on the other hand, was nuanced and moving: Tuvok reluctantly accepts the help of Tom Paris in creating a realistic holographic approximation of his wife so he can stave off death for at least another seven years; it may have only been a B-plot, but the bond formed between Tuvok and Paris--which showed a deepened sense of respect between the two yet still kept it wisely distant--was remarkable and touching and never once was it cheapened by melodramatic dialog or overacting.

I've been re-watching quite a bit of Voyager late, and I must say that I agree with your assessment of Chakotay and - especially - Tuvok; the latter is possibly one of my favourite Star Trek characters now. I never quite noticed during previous engagements with the series just how movingly and subtly his character is written, which is quite a feat considering just how close to parody/stereotype a Vulcan character could be. That is, as you say, why the character of Vorik is so very jarring - he is what Tuvok would have been in the hands of lesser writers. Tuvok's interaction with children in various episodes is also, I find, quite poignant and well-drawn; I love how his backstory is very slowly filled in over several seasons, without the overuse of flashbacks or other cheap devices.

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Series finale of Doctor Who today. Hmm...


Oooh... What do people think of this?

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I was quite happy with this episode, especially in comparison to the rest of the season - which I found tiring and lacking in depth; the Clara storyline just got on my nerves, and was rather badly written in my view. While the explanation of her existence/previous appearances was not as entirely surprising as Moffat likes to claim, it was well-executed, and not as overly sentimental as I'd feared. And, I must say, I absolutely loved the incorporation of the River Song narrative; that's always been one of my favourite Who plot-lines, and it was referred to in such a devastating way here (it really resonated with previous seasons, and, I think, would have appeased a lot of Whovians who weren't satisfied with the latest season.

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MacMoney wrote:
Subrick wrote:
One of creators of the show blamed the fans hating it for it being cancelled.
As it should have been. It looked like total dogshit.

...So just like the movie, huh?

You said that before. It's not funny this time either.
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In other news, I think I'm abandoning Hannibal. I haven't watched the last two episodes and I feel no desire to catch up with the show. Meh, maybe I'll check it out again some rainy weekend a few months from now when I can just do it all in one go.

Same here. I watched the first three episodes and then skipped to 5 in hopes of change, I gave it one more shot with 8 but it's too predictable and every episode seems to unravel like the last. Same premise, different grotesque killer, same progression, any other show and I could excuse it but this show is meant to be about Hannibal, not watching him as some self help guru. The fact that Hannibal is never looked upon and welcomed with open arms by the FBI is beyond far fetched.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 8:19 am 
 

volutetheswarth wrote:
MacMoney wrote:
...So just like the movie, huh?

You said that before. It's not funny this time either.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 10:10 am 
 

Not yet made it to the Doctor Who finale yet, but I'm finding it harder and harder to keep watching. Some of these new episodes aren't bad, but they're just so rarely exciting or fun anymore.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 10:47 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
Not yet made it to the Doctor Who finale yet, but I'm finding it harder and harder to keep watching. Some of these new episodes aren't bad, but they're just so rarely exciting or fun anymore.


Interesting to hear that...My gf just got me started on DW (a long-time favorite of hers) and we're approaching the end of the second Tennant season. Loving everything so far, but I'm interested in seeing what I think of the new episodes when we finally get there.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:04 am 
 

Season 5, the first one with Matt Smith, is pretty much all gold. Parts of that one are incredibly brilliant surrealist sort of sci fi/fantasy, purely relying on feelings and atmosphere. After that the show has sort of gone downhill unfortunately...
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:24 pm 
 

There's someone here watching Da Vinci's Demons? I find it pretty interesting! Da Vinci's modern look aside, the show has a bit of everything, "sci-fi", action, politics, historical characters, humor...
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Empyreal wrote:
Season 5, the first one with Matt Smith, is pretty much all gold. Parts of that one are incredibly brilliant surrealist sort of sci fi/fantasy, purely relying on feelings and atmosphere. After that the show has sort of gone downhill unfortunately...

I liked the first half of the last season so I was excited for the 2nd half and unfortunately, it was pretty shitty. I stopped the submarine episode with Liam Cunningham because I was so boooooored.

I've been watching Sherlock BBC, I wanted to since a while and the discussion in this thread forced my hand. I really really enjoy the series. I <3 Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman and they're both amazing in it. I only need to watch the 3rd episode of season 2 and I'll have to wait like everyone else for the next one :( My favorite episode is probably the one with Irene Adler!
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:57 pm 
 

I'm kind of excited for the Bates Motel season finale tonight. That show has done a much better job of holding my interest than The Following managed to.

I hate when my onscreen cable box guide does stuff like this, though. Here's its entire description of tonight's plot: "Norman takes Emma to a dance." Really? The main characters have spent the season dealing with

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rape, killing, sexual slavery, drug trafficking, police corruption


and that's how you summarize the finale? I guess they just didn't want to give away anything major.

Whatever, I'm sure the episode will deliver. I wonder if

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Metantoine wrote:
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Season 5, the first one with Matt Smith, is pretty much all gold. Parts of that one are incredibly brilliant surrealist sort of sci fi/fantasy, purely relying on feelings and atmosphere. After that the show has sort of gone downhill unfortunately...

I liked the first half of the last season so I was excited for the 2nd half and unfortunately, it was pretty shitty. I stopped the submarine episode with Liam Cunningham because I was so boooooored.


Yeah, the first half of season 7 was pretty damn good, and reminded me of why I liked the show in the first place, with the adventurousness and the cool, colorful plots. And Rory and Amy were great. But the other half is just pretty dull so far, the submarine episode being the worst one so far. I want to see the finale just because I know people will spoil it for me otherwise, so I might as well. But I may not continue watching after this.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:38 pm 
 

The Christmas special was pretty damn boring too. Yeah, I might continue but only because of Jenna-Louise Coleman! Who's the girlfriend of Robb Stark!
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All of this rabid Dr. Who fandom had me sort of intrigued so I watched the beginning of the 2005 revival season and just found it supremely boring. Not offensively bad or anything, just not interesting enough for me to keep watching.

Much more offensive is the incredibly obnoxious fandom. I can't say I personally know any bronies, but I'd be willing to bet that Whovians give them a run for their money. It's like being a fan of the show means you've automatically got to repost every goddamn TARDIS or Dalek meme you find on every piece of the internet you inhabit. BLerhghfslkdfgjsldfkglkjre
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Yeah the fans are pretty annoying. Easy to get turned off the show because of it really, and sometimes it's just not good - i.e. the first ep of the new show pretty much sucks, batman. :p But when it's on, it's really fun. Nothing life-affirming, but when it's good it's very enjoyable.
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Under_Starmere wrote:
Hmm, do you mean just conceptually the character doesn't seem believable, or more the way he's portrayed/written?
Both, I'd say. I still enjoy the character but I kind of have to force myself to believe he could be plausible.

So Orphan Black is pretty damn good so far (I'm caught up with the season). I was afraid it'd have some stupid facepalm moments like so much urban sci-fi/CT-like TV series have (FlashForward, the Event, crap like that) but so far it's solid, and the lead actress is phenomenal. Glad it's been renewed for another season!
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Haha, I tried both The Event and FlashForward; couldn't get past three episodes of either, and my threshold for shitty sci-fi is so very much lower than any rational human's should be (e.g., I watched Babylon 5 well into its fourth season :puke: .)
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Hah. Last I watched we were still early in S3. It's just so unmotivating to keep watching, even with the sexy Marcus Cole joining the cast. Bad dialogue, acting that goes from bad to outright terrible, plots that are average at best and usually very much predictable... I guess people really were starved for a space opera because I can't see why this became so beloved. And this got five seasons yet Firefly gets cancelled before finishing its first? What the fucking fuck... (Yes, I'll never let that go. NEVAR)
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Oh Dr. Who...

The Satan Pit episodes were pretty awesome. It has its moments. But overall? :| doesn't begin to live up to the hype.

Btw I mentioned "Dr. Who" on facebook the other day and a fan corrected me, "DOCTOR* Who"
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The Satan Pit is my favorite episode of the show. 2nd favorite is Blink.
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darkeningday wrote:
Haha, I tried both The Event and FlashForward; couldn't get past three episodes of either, and my threshold for shitty sci-fi is so very much lower than any rational human's should be (e.g., I watched Babylon 5 well into its fourth season :puke: .)


I watched all episodes of The Event and FlashForward... I can only justify this to myself by thinking that I just couldn't believe they would stay so consistently bad. Not entertainingly so, even - just... Stale. Like morning breath. And quite pathetic. Certainly not worth the effort. And the cause of some regret.

I do my best to avoid Doctor Who fans, though that's unfortunately rather difficult for me; a lot of my acquaitances are Whovians. I wouldn't call myself a fan - I like episodes that I think are interesting, I can't stand the sentimental/parochial (Britain is the center of the multiverse!) ones; the series certainly does not live up to the ludicrous hype it receives. When it comes to the latest final, though, I have to say that I thought it was one of the good episodes - or, at least, one of the only decent ones in a long while; it had a bit more depth to it than the under-cooked, annoyingly chirpy Clara episodes.

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So...

I'm watching the new season 4 of Arrested Development, which is Netflix exclusive.

Wow. What awful tripe. I am severely disappointed.

For this season, they are doing "character-centric" episodes, where each episode is primarily focused on one character, and all 15 episodes run within the same time line. Big mistake-this makes for one big, sloppy mess of a story. Plus the episodes are bumped up from standard TV runtimes of 21-22 minutes to 35 minutes. So it's just one dense 8+ hour overlapping, intermingling mess.

Not that usually is a problem with this show, as the original three seasons were dense and self referential. But they are literally rehashing every key joke from the original episodes. Plus, they are overloading the episodes with both every bit character from the original episodes, and a slew of guest stars (including "top names" such as Kristen Wiig and Seth Rogen).

This season is supposedly a preamble to the upcoming movie, but if this is the content to look forward too, I'm probably gonna skip it. Which is a shame, cause I'm a huge fan of the original series (my rock band's name-Dangerous Cousins-is an AD reference).

Meh. They should've not resurrected this after 7 or years. It died its rightful death in 2006 and it should've remained buried.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:20 pm 
 

Started watching the Arrested Development revival last night, and have gotten through episode 6. So far, it's okay, but it has a much slower pace than the first three seasons. I'm going to attribute this to two things:

1. Each episode averaging around 30 minutes, rather than the traditional 22 on television.
2. Each episode focuses on one character at a time.

You lose a lot of the great character interactions and spontaneity. So far, I've barely seen Gob, Buster, Maeby, or George Michael. A second viewing might help, since you'll know what every character is doing. I just hope that if it gets another season (which Netflix is saying they hope to do), it isn't filmed like this one.

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I'm starting to like Defiance. It's got a Firefly vibe to it, and the characters and writing seem to be improving a bit.
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So far I like the new season of Arrested Development. I think there are a bunch of references to older stuff that is taken out of context making it funny like when Michael burns his hand on the taxi. I do wish it had a plot that revolved around more character interactions. I really didn't enjoy the episode centered around Lindsay.

But I still enjoy it. I've had a ton of laughs and I may be 7 episodes in. Honestly, I am glad it's a bit different. Nothing will beat the original three seasons and I will continue to watch them until I'm numb in the head.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:06 pm 
 

So, I recently started watching Dexter after directv put all the seasons on showtime on demand. I just finished season 2 last night. And I gotta say I'm loving it so far. The way the show handles dexter's situation and the "code of harry" is very compelling. It makes you fall in love with a serial killer and the funny thing is you don't even care haha
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:15 pm 
 

Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, because it's basically all downhill from there. Not precipitously, season 4 has one of the best main antagonists in the series, but things just start to get stale and repetitive and less and less realistic. I mean I know Miami is big, but for fuck's sake, how many serial killers can there be???
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:25 pm 
 

failsafeman wrote:
Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, because it's basically all downhill from there. Not precipitously, season 4 has one of the best main antagonists in the series, but things just start to get stale and repetitive and less and less realistic. I mean I know Miami is big, but for fuck's sake, how many serial killers can there be???


Yeah, I could definitely see it losing steam after the season I just finished. The first two seasons were great, they both told an interesting and compelling story that connected with eachother and dexter's past. I feel like the creators didn't expect the show to go past two seasons almost with way it just wrapped everything up in a neat little bow. I'm definitely gonna keep watching because well I get attached to characters, and I like to see where shows go. Same reason I kept watching doctor who when it turned south after season 5 (I love Matt Smith, but their was a huge drop off in writing, and is just me or did the cinematography get worse too?) and the same reason I'm still watching Supernatural even though the new season has had a again a drop off in quality and a very noticeable decline in cinematography in this one.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 11:01 pm 
 

I think it's pretty much consistent throughout. It's a "workmanlike" sort of show and doesn't hit a lot of artistic highs, but I honestly enjoy every season at least a little bit, and I think it works great with a very formulaic style. The first two seasons are probably the best in terms of writing and character, but even the later ones where it gets all Hollywoodized, I still think are really good. The last two seasons I've had a blast with for instance. It's one of the few shows I don't think had a real drop off in terms of quality of entertainment.

I just hope they end it after this season; I don't want them to beat a dead horse or anything. They've had a good run.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 1:30 am 
 

I definitely gave up on Dexter after the Lithgow season.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:22 am 
 

Season 4 was easily the best season of Dexter, John Lithgow delivered in droves. Although I wished they had ended on a traumatic note and not continued, I think season 5 had the right new addition with Lumen and only the nonsensical ending let it down from being something incredible. Most complaints I've heard about Lumen stem from quite shallow judgements, it's as if people were eager and willing to find fault with it. Haven't really cared what came before or since but Dexter and Doakes cat and mouse game had it's moments, especially the office fight. I just feel there was alot of wasted potential with the last season, from the mediocre love interest to the anti-climatic villain to the almost stagnant character development, but of course that's petty squabbles compared to the ridiculous season before that, where only the kills and crime scenes were a highlight.

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