In terms of WW, I'm very interested to see where his arc goes.

I don't read up on "fan theories" because I tend to believe if I'm not smart enough to figure it out for myself I don't want to know yet, but my buddy obsesses over them and gave me a few before I could ask him to stop. I will say this:

I fucking hate fan theories for real. I don't understand why you would want someone to ruin a thing for you. The big reveals built into the show are such a part of the experience.

Well caught up with the show finally, and II wonder if the two clean up guys, the white guy and the Asian dude, are on some kind of program to give the mentally defective a job? They just seem so pathetic and idiotic.

This is just one season right?

Well stated watching Deadwood on DVD. How did I miss this the first time around? So far so fucking good.

are you referring to the fan theory that

Welp, I guess I'm gonna be able to open all these spoilers above soon, since I'm on sick leave here and I got nothing to do but to start with.... WESTWORLD!

Finished the first episode just now, and I'm blown away. A fantastic further elaboration on the implications the original made. Much darker, less censorship - my kind of show. I also really like how it plays around with atmosphere as well, something that the movie never quite did in such a developed way. Here, the Wild West scenes and the office ones seem to suspend the audience's disbelief with a lot more effectiveness, and when the two worlds clash, you get to feel some seriously mind-fucking vibes there. Schweet.

^ What comment?

Actually that wasn't my theory but that sounds stupid and would be very confusing. I hope that isn't the case.

What is the storytelling benefit of that other than to say "EPIC TWIST"? Not sure what good that would do for the story but we aren't done yet.

So the latest Walking Dead was easily in the top 10 worst episodes.

I watch the show with my Mom since she is such a nut, and have read the comic. But its fair to middling at its best. Some things didn't make sense.

Alot of things don't make sense this season, and we're not even halfway.

RE:Westworld - caught up with you guys:

For about a year, BBC America has become one of the best channels on television by playing reruns of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek (the original series). Unfortunately, lately they've begun declining in quality at a rapid pace by showing fewer episodes of Star Trek series and instead showing reruns of retarded cop dramas and British comedies like CSI Miami and Sherlock. Hopefully they will quickly realize that showing the same lame modern shows that are run on every other channel, and showing unfunny British comedies are the surest path to failure, while showing Star Trek is a guaranteed path to success.

Well TWD stayed just as shitty as its been with another awful episode. If not for my Mom being a TWD junkie and I watch it with her I'd give it up. The way this season has been set up is shitty. An entire Tara episode? Really? They should have mixed these story lines into episodes instead of this method.

I'm generally fine with the more dramatic episodes (in past seasons), but I have to agree. Since the premiere things have been way too boring and fragmented. One theory I've seen for why they are doing it like they are is that it's a cost-cutting measure, since the actors get paid on a per-episode basis. So if Andrew Lincoln gets paid 90k per episode, but is in only half the episodes, then they save a ton of money compared to past seasons when he was in just about every episode. And if they do that for all the main/supporting actors, they save more money. Not that they pay them a lot to begin with, considering how much other actors make on hit shows and the cash cow that TWD is. Don't know how much truth there is to the theory, but if it is what's going on then they're really shooting themselves in the foot. I buy each episode off amazon at $3 a pop (it's the only show I'm watching this fall), so if things don't pick up over the next two episodes I might just stop buying and wait for it to get onto Netflix from now on.

That episode was Tarable

Eh, I've had my problems with TWD but I don't mind what they're doing with this season, trying to space it out and give more development and world-building. I can't see what they'd really do to make it much better without completely changing the whole show. It's slow-paced and the character development is rather thin sometimes, but since this is a postapocalyptic world and their lives can be rather drab and dull when they're not involved in some big battle, I can excuse that much - I'm not expecting florid, nonstop dialogue or a load of energy out of these people living in this shithole of a world. I like how they portray the postapocalyptic world and how they show the survivors' lives. They're clearly trying to build up to a longer game and more expansive storyline here. I like other shows better than TWD, but there's a unique quality about this that I enjoy too.

The last two eps have been decent, not great - but far from bad or anything, I thought.

I've been watching Fargo for the last few days. What a great fucking show. Super well-done detective/murder mystery/mob story with elements of Breaking Bad and No Country for Old Men mixed into a very unique flavor. Excellent characters and writing.

The Tarable episode was actually pretty good, I just don't think they needed an entire episode out of it unless they are truly planning on emphasizing that other group at some point in the future.

The episode before the Tarable one though was not very good. Enid being scared of one walker after spending months outside by herself before she came to Alexandria? Carl driving a car to Enid but then they don't use the car? Hilltop gate guards just not being there when the Saviors opened the doors and drove two cars into the community? That was an actual terrible episode.

This. Last episode was poor, this episode was just plodding filler with an uninteresting boring character.

Could be cost-cutting, could be miserably bad writing (not uncommon with TWD), but so far after one great episode in the premiere it's been a steady slope downwards.

Done after this season. I've been fooled by TWD more times than I can count, with The Governor, with Terminus, bringing Carol back because... ?, setting up conflicts and climatic events then not showing the end result or just brushing over them, etc. Really think it's going the way of Dexter, except I can't recall one truly great season.

I've loved every episode this season to varying degrees, and I'm glad they are exactly the way they are. I actually felt the show has been getting better and better, it's too bad you don't like it. Or not, really, doesn't matter to me at all. I hope they keep doing what they are doing for another 3-5 seasons.

I just decided that the most memorable bit from Cheers for me is when Cliff talked about how the Minutemen are actually misread and it's read like the adjective "minute" (my-newt) because they were all very short men.

Does anyone here watch Supergirl?

Westworld discussion (don't feel like quoting and editing the spoiler tangle):

Yet Logan is? He's an insufferable callous prick. At least McPoyle isn't a sick bastard.

Anyway I'm up to episode 6 and I'm still fairly bored of WW, it's far too repetitive and dull. And is there a rule at HBO where they have to show nudity each episode? The whole Behavioral lab scenes are an excuse for nudity.

Clifton Collins Jr. is a terrible actor who pollutes each scene with immense suckage, Anthony Hopkins just delivers the same "been-sitting-in-the-sun" too long performance that he's done for the past decade. Ed Harris is the only worthwhile and engrossing actor to watch here.

Okay I read the spoilers on wikipedia and am joyously glad I did, never have to invest another minute with 'WW 2016'. Such poor writing with ridiculous twists to be edgy. I'll stick with the original Westworld movie as that wasn't filled to the brim with obvious eccentricities and random edgy crap, it was virtually a singular story about robots one day turning on their masters, simple yet vastly superior to whatever WW 2016 is.

It wouldn't be on HBO unless it had (frequently pointless) nudity, and Ed Harris makes anything watchable.


*hasn't seen one second of Westworld*

Hhhhhmmmmm. I'm half way through season one of Orange is the New Black and I can't decide if I actually like it or if I'm just watching it cause I'm bored. Anybody got experience with the show?

I watched the first two seasons and just decided that while it had some good moments here and there, I didn't want to watch it that badly.

Yeah that's kinda where I'm at too. I'll probably just switch to West Wing.

I watched both seasons of Orange is the New Black and found it good, but not amazing.

OITNB gets better with each newer season although the first two seem unnecessarily cluttered. This year's season was undoubtedly one of the best in all of TV though. Sharply focused and truly devastating. Keep watching.

I really like OITNB. One of my favorite shows on TV... I thought the first two seasons were probably the best in terms of storytelling, but as it's gotten further along, I really like how it takes these unpopular character types and views and tries to humanize them and play devil's advocate. That's where the show finds its voice.

That latest TWD episode was so funny actually - just a cavalcade of ridiculous conversations and scenes that I found pretty entertaining actually. Jeffery Dean Morgan is a total scene-chewing monster, but it works because the show needed something a bit different to spice it up.