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Smoking_Gnu
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:24 am 
 

Yeah, it's hard for me to have a strong opinion about the suicide theme because I don't really have a bone in the debate either way, but something about it just rubs me the wrong way. Even if you look at it just from the perspective of bullying, it's yet another story about a nice white teen girl getting bullied in school (who's an unreliable narrator! and who doesn't realize she's beautiful, but oh hey! there was a sweet teeange boy there for her all along!), so if nothing else it's pretty hackneyed IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:07 am 
 

Yeah that's understandable. I think I just get annoyed when people take things without looking at the storytelling method, etc. But this is such a serious issue that I hate to seem angry at anyone over it...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:36 pm 
 

New MST3K, at the very least, feels like MST3K. I love Patton Oswalt in his cameos (he's an example of a comedian whose routines I'm not enamored with but I love whenever I see him in a movie/TV show), Felicia Day is fine, and the staccato joke delivery isn't as grating on me as it is for most. Cry Wilderness was the perfect balance of the new style and the classic style, IMO. They also get bonus points for Pearl/Brain Guy/Bobo showing up, and I'll admit to laughing harder than I should have when I realized why Moon 13's crew were dressed like skeletons.

Dark Matter S2 is still maintaining the "this is great/this is lousy/this is mediocre" balance. I loved when the crew reverted to their pre-wipe selves for most of an episode. Anthony Lemke (Three) is still the stand-out of the crew because he's the only one who seems to really know how to deliver the cheesy dialogue, but Zoie Palmer (Android) has grown on me considerably over the series. I like the additions of Melanie Liburd (Nyx) and Mike Dopud (Nero), as well.

Also dove back into Supernatural, still on S7. It's easy to see why superfans of the show don't care for this season, it's much more like a spy thriller masked with supernatural tropes than the previous six seasons, but I'm loving the Leviathan as villains, Frank as their info-gatherer, and Dick Roman in particular as the main enemy. Also, Mark Pellegrino may be the most entertaining rendition of Lucifer I've seen since Peter Stormare in Constantine.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:40 pm 
 

What is the reason they're dressed as skeletons? I must be missing a reference.

I agree 100% - it feels like MST3K. To me, that is much more significant than jokes being funny all the time. It's got the same soul. As long as it maintains that, it has potential to be seriously great when it's already good enough.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:09 pm 
 

The murderers of Columbine killed all those kids because they were mistreated, doesn't make it right what they did. Same goes for suicide, blaming other people for killing yourself is fucking idiotic. The fact that the girl in the show is an perfectly attractive person with her life ahead of her and a boy who wants her (but she is blind to him of course) and does it because of 13 (I'm assuming deeply shallow) reasons, if anything reeks of immature passive-aggression to the tenth degree. Calling it 'like totally "13 Reasons Why" I did it' - that especially. Reading what that girl wrote who went through depression makes me want to avoid the show like the plague, if it's deeply upsetting to her then obviously there's some merit to it having bad taste, typical Hollywoodized filter over suicide and making suicide neatly dispensable for trendy millenial scum into crime porn.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:26 pm 
 

Nah you're pretty off base in everything you just wrote.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:53 pm 
 

You can't equate people who take life and people who just take their own lol.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:07 am 
 

Anyone here watched Jack Irish? Best Aussie show I've seen so far.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:59 pm 
 

volutetheswarth wrote:
The fact that the girl in the show is an perfectly attractive person

oh for fucks sake

volutetheswarth wrote:
for trendy millenial scum into crime porn.

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:39 am 
 

brainbomb wrote:
What is the reason they're dressed as skeletons? I must be missing a reference.

Moon 13's operating on a skeleton crew. **badumPSHT**

volutetheswarth wrote:
The murderers of Columbine killed all those kids because they were mistreated, doesn't make it right what they did.

I won't touch the rest (that old chestnut about opinions and assholes), but no, Eric Harris was a fucking psychopath who was actually quite popular at his school and Dylan Klebold was a suicidal depressive that was along for the ride.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:43 am 
 

acid_bukkake wrote:
brainbomb wrote:
What is the reason they're dressed as skeletons? I must be missing a reference.

Moon 13's operating on a skeleton crew. **badumPSHT**


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Womp womp wooooomp.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:59 am 
 

Any one caught the latest Silicon Valley episode? Not that big on the funny moments but the writing is still as good.

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The whole Dinesh being the new CEO of Piped Piper + Richard branching out will be interesting. Also, watching Gilfoyle and his witty remarks on Dinesh should add more comedic moments

Now, I'm only waiting for Jing Yang to show up.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:20 am 
 

I thought it was hilarious as fuck. Best comedy on TV.

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Russ Hanneman is back. This guy fucks!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:42 pm 
 

Silicon Valley is back on TV and I had no idea?! I guess I got so in the rhythm of associating it will being on right after Game of Thrones that I didn't even consider the fact that GoT normally starts in April. Will definitely check out the first episode tonight.

I've only watched one episode of 13 Reasons Why, but so far it seems like it will be good. The only thing I'm wondering is if the writers of the show (or book for that matter) have any idea what a modern day high school looks like. Do they still even make those football jackets that the jocks wear? I swear if it weren't for the cell phones I would have thought that this took place in the 80s. What's up with the outfits they wear while working at the movie theater too? I know this is an incredibly nit-picky point, but it looks a lot more like the writers got their understanding of what high school is like from watching 80s movies than actually going to one in the 21st century.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:19 am 
 

ObservationSlave wrote:
I know this is an incredibly nit-picky point, but it looks a lot more like the writers got their understanding of what high school is like from watching 80s movies than actually going to one in the 21st century.


I doubt the writers are responsible for wardrobing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:39 pm 
 

I've watched most of 13 Reasons Why, although I'm not entirely sure why. Maybe it's that suicide has a morbid fascination for me; it has ever since I once thought I wanted to commit it. I'm well past that, thankfully, and I hope I always will be. But I'm still sensitive to and drawn to the subject. It's a well-made show, and certainly better than that festering pile of shit Prozac Nation, but I can't help feeling fundamentally opposed to it. It reminds me of that video from not too long ago, the one of the girl livestreaming her suicide. It's just... wrong in so many ways. Yet here I am, horribly fascinated by it, if ultimately repulsed. Doesn't make you feel too good about yourself.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:05 am 
 

New Archer is real good. Dreamland is a cool concept and it's been pretty hilarious so far.

I started watching Mr. Pickles and I need to be really stoned to be capable of watching it. It's been fun and really stupid.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:22 am 
 

I guess there's an anime thread but whatever, I'm a rebel.

Started up Death Note at a friend's insistence. At first it was so grimdark edgecringe it was hard to watch, but it quickly escaped from that angle/folded it into the broader story to make it work. I'm only six episodes in, but the show has done a good job of expanding the scope of the premise already and has me hooked on how it will play out.

The main problem is that the whole show is basically a showcase for "look what kinds of smart shit we can have our smart characters do! Isn't it smart!?!?" That's not a problem on its own, other shows have done it, too (i.e. Breaking Bad, Dexter), but the problem here is actually very Dexterian in that every time something clever happens, there has to be so goddamn much "HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY" expositionary mono/dialogue that it's really patronizing to the viewer. I just wish the characters would shut the fuck up more and let the show do more showing and less telling. But hey, it's anime, and from my experience having characters either internally or externally explain the things happening in the show is pretty common in the genre from my limited experience.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:40 am 
 

tried to watch Legion 3 times. still haven't gotten through the first ep. but I got further than I go through Jessica Jones
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:12 am 
 

Erotetic wrote:
tried to watch Legion 3 times. still haven't gotten through the first ep. but I got further than I go through Jessica Jones



I gave up on it after 3 episodes. It was like a ripoff of X-Men and Marvel's Agents of shield imo.

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iamntbatman wrote:
But hey, it's anime, and from my experience having characters either internally or externally explain the things happening in the show is pretty common in the genre from my limited experience.

Yep. It's insufferable and why I could barely stomach Attack on Titan.

Cowboy Bebop and Ghibli remains the only Anime I've seen that don't do this. I don't know why. Japan plz
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:25 pm 
 

EpicusDoomicus wrote:
Erotetic wrote:
tried to watch Legion 3 times. still haven't gotten through the first ep. but I got further than I go through Jessica Jones



It was like a ripoff of X-Men and Marvel's Agents of shield imo.

:scratch: Shameless plagiarism for sure.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:43 pm 
 

brainbomb wrote:
What is the reason they're dressed as skeletons? I must be missing a reference.

I agree 100% - it feels like MST3K. To me, that is much more significant than jokes being funny all the time. It's got the same soul. As long as it maintains that, it has potential to be seriously great when it's already good enough.


I'm very mixed on the new MST3K. And I'm from Minnesota, this is like, our thing. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I'm totally an expert that can be trusted.

My major gripes:

Too much effort on trying to tell the story of why Jonah is up there.
Jokes churned out so fast, few have time to land, they sound like they're just reading scripts.


I watched some older MST3K after I finished the new season, and a couple Rifftrax (Samurai Cop being one of them), and I'd have to say, the pacing is much better on those. The thing is, the show worked because it felt like they were watching the movie with us, and commenting naturally, which meant that clever planned jokes landed with more success. The slower pace of telling riffs also allowed us to watch the movie with them, frequently able to "enjoy" the movie for what it was. The viewers need to be able to indulge in the movie as well, pointing out things the MST3K crew does not. I really hope they slow it down if they do another season. Because at the end of it, due to the sheer volume, there is very little that stands out. It's not like watching an older MST3K where you could walk away still laughing about many of the best jokes. In this one, when they were done, I just didn't remember anything.

For instance, in Alien from LA, there was a great joke in the beginning where a character gestures towards Kathy Ireland's head and they riff, "a brain should be in here" that was just fantastic. My son and I have referenced that several times since. In the new MST3K, I don't remember any from Cry Wilderness (the best of the new season), and only remember one from the Christmas movie about how "you rarely get to see movies about Santa hitting rock bottom."

However, I do like Jonah in the role, and he plays off the bots like characters, not props. Crow's voice is decent. Felicia Day is okay, Patton Oswald is funny. Big celebrity cameos feel out of place. Old MST3K cameos, though, awesome.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:47 pm 
 

Erotetic wrote:
tried to watch Legion 3 times. still haven't gotten through the first ep. but I got further than I go through Jessica Jones


Sounds about like when I watched Primeval. I got through about 4 episodes somehow, and then was done. What a pile of crap.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:22 pm 
 

It was like a ripoff of X-Men and Marvel's Agents of shield imo.[/quote]
:scratch: Shameless plagiarism for sure.[/quote]

LOL not allowed to have your own opinion? :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:01 pm 
 

Didn't say that. I might be misreading you, but I can't quite wrap my head around that statement. I think there is no denying that, whatever one might think of its entertainment merits or lack thereof, Legion is hugely creative and tonally very recognisable, probably one of the most impressive things I've seen in a while once I got over a bit of initial weirdness-induced whiplash. Even if it's not your kind of thing, defining it first and foremost as a rip-off of those other two seems like a rather strange way to phrase it. Admittedly, I haven't watched much of AoS, but the most similar thing uniting them I can think of right now would be that all three are based, to some degree, on related source material (and apparently Legion is also meant to be set in the same universe as some X-Men movies). Can such a thing be a rip-off of another? I guess so, though it seems like an odd use of the word here and also brings me back to the question of what exactly Legion blatantly copies from these other comic book adaptations, other than, well, the setting and tropes they would obviously share. Because otherwise, again, I think it's pretty unique, stylistically and dramatically.

In other news, I've been making headway with Black Sails. Very positive surprise for me; really fun stuff, with (mostly) good plotting, quality characters/character development and great production values. Really makes me want to dig up this old book on the Golden Age of Piracy I have.
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Anyone excited about American Gods? I picked up the book recently but I'm only couple of pages in so far. I don't think I'll be able to finish it by the time the first episode airs. But anyway, I did have a peek at the cast and boy did they get Mr Wednesday right (based on my limited knowledge of the character, but I reckon the first chapter reveals quite a bit). I'm sure Ian McShane is gonna be brilliant in this.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:06 pm 
 

I finished 13 Reasons Why last night. I wish I could come up with that many reasons why I watched it. It's a well-made show, but the very premise is repulsive. I'm wondering now if I only watched it because Katherine Langford is so beautiful.

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shouvince wrote:
Anyone excited about American Gods? I picked up the book recently but I'm only couple of pages in so far. I don't think I'll be able to finish it by the time the first episode airs. But anyway, I did have a peek at the cast and boy did they get Mr Wednesday right (based on my limited knowledge of the character, but I reckon the first chapter reveals quite a bit). I'm sure Ian McShane is gonna be brilliant in this.


I am quite excited for it, actually. I read it because Odin is in it.
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I've been pretty sleepy about the whole Better Call Saul thing (maybe it's the kinda show you need to pay attention to and get into the vibe), but season 3 has me hooked with this Mike shit. way more interesting than Saul and the girl and his brother n all that.
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I like Saul's personal issues. Life shits on the guy and I'd be dirty too if it was the only thing I could succeed at. The Mike shit is very interesting but I don't think it takes anything away from the strained relationships and interpersonal conflict between Saul and, well, everyone it seems. It's bleak and I genuinely feel horrible for him 95% of the time. That being said, I've been asleep at the wheel and haven't started S3 yet.

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Jimmy's past and drama with Chuck and all that is super interesting. I've seen some people saying it's boring and the Mike stuff is the only good part, but I couldn't disagree more, all of it is fucking fantastic. Rich, textured drama.
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Yeah, BCS is simply superb storytelling and nuanced characters. I love Mike and his arc, but for all the pure fun it is, Jimmy's storyline and the relationship with his brother is the series' master achievement in drama.

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Aaaaand done. Unfortunately, it seems to drag on late season 3-ish/season 4, felt increasingly like most of the screen time was just characters giving endless "profound" monologues or lecturing another character plus constant backstabbing and shifting alliances, a bit much. The action was still pretty great and the overall story interesting, but the pacing got crippled somewhere along the way.
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Saul needs the crime back in the crime/drama that was in Breaking Bad, without it's essentially "what a predicament" SUITS with Saul Goodman. Fun and interesting if you're into legal drama, mergers and acquisitions, business/property investments and other thoroughly fun topics. And I'm not buying 'The Mike Adventures', the guy is a one-note Sopranos character who belongs in something grittier, every comedic encounter is Mike being serious next to some bumbling moron, the oldest most lazy form of comedy in existence next to slapstick. Show would've been cancelled after one season had it not BB to put it on an inflated pedestal.

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Anyone watched Bryan Fuller's new show, American Gods?
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volutetheswarth wrote:
Saul needs the crime back in the crime/drama that was in Breaking Bad, without it's essentially "what a predicament" SUITS with Saul Goodman. Fun and interesting if you're into legal drama, mergers and acquisitions, business/property investments and other thoroughly fun topics. And I'm not buying 'The Mike Adventures', the guy is a one-note Sopranos character who belongs in something grittier, every comedic encounter is Mike being serious next to some bumbling moron, the oldest most lazy form of comedy in existence next to slapstick. Show would've been cancelled after one season had it not BB to put it on an inflated pedestal.

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Haha, so blind disagreements = any disagreements, then? The show's characters and writing prove you can make even dull legal stuff extremely interesting. It's a different thing from BB and focusing on the same crime stuff would've just made it look like a pale husk of the original.

The most interesting parts of Mike's story were earlier on, but that's why they're not spending loads of time on him now, instead just showing quick and artfully done scenes of
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how he got together with Gus and what not.
I can live with that.
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ttthhhhhhpoilerrrrrrrttthhhhh

Man, Death Note is finding all kinds of new and exciting ways to jump the shark. I really liked (read: hated) the parts where
Spoiler: show
L starts going to college with Light and they start becoming buddy buddy good times college pals. That tennis scene was particularly excruciating, jesus. But far worse than that is this ridiculous drama shit with Light's girlfriend/"The Second Kira." Not only is that annoying, but around the same time the show also pulled the trick where Light took away her memories of the Death Note and being a murderer and then did the same to himself, so now they're oblivious to their own pasts and it's all saccharine and awful, and then just now there was this whole fake reality show thing where we have to guess "WHICH ONE OF THESE GENERIC CORPORATE GOONS IS THE NEW KIRA" and goddamn.


The first episode started out rocky, then it actually got entertaining during the real mystery part (if again there was too much exposition) but about halfway through it and the show fell off a cliff and is thoroughly in "so bad it's only worth riffing on" territory.
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My bad. That was heavily promoted in the ads before season 3 even aired, so I didn't know it counted as a spoiler.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 12:31 am 
 

Season 2 of The Get Down is pretty good so far, only on the second episode but it's looking as good as the first. One of the first roles Jadyn Smith ain't bad in.

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 2:09 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
My bad. That was heavily promoted in the ads before season 3 even aired, so I didn't know it counted as a spoiler.


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