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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:03 am 
 

I've been reading the manga for Terra Formars (not recently though, I'm waiting for the series to end). While it is only 12 eps and it won't do the entire mission I'll watch it for the action.

I'm weary with type-moon adaptations. As much as I like Carnival Phantasm. Hopefully this adaptation will be good. I have no info on it atm, is it the group who did Zero?
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Dudemanguy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:07 am 
 

Yup, same studio, Ufotable.

Did you power through all the Type-Moon adaptations or something? There's not really a lot.

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Zelkiiro
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:17 am 
 

As much as I love Ufotable for bringing us the awesome, almost life-changing experience that is Fate/Zero, not even they can save Fate/Stay Night. It will always be bullshit.
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Dudemanguy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:18 am 
 

What? Did you even read Fate/Stay Night?

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Zelkiiro
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:22 am 
 

Dudemanguy wrote:
What? Did you even read Fate/Stay Night?

Going through the visual novel right now, actually. Just about finished with Unlimited Blade Works.

And aside from Archer, Kirei, and Ayako, it's nonstop infuriating bullshit.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:23 am 
 

I didn't pay that much attention to type-moon till Zero. Unfortunetly my first Type-moon encounter was Tsukihime encounter. I wasn't a huge fan with the original Stay Night adaptation. Since for me my encounter with Type-moon is 50/50.
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I dunno, I'm a guitarist and it always feels like playing a giant cock. Not just that but live music should hit you in the genitals. It might not if you don't use good amplifiers and your modelling shit goes straight out of the PA. But good music hits you HARD in the GENITALS.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:26 am 
 

Zelkiiro wrote:
Going through the visual novel right now, actually. Just about finished with Unlimited Blade Works.

And aside from Archer, Kirei, and Ayako, it's nonstop infuriating bullshit.

Care to give some examples? I think there are like two questionable things in the VN, but everything else more than makes up for it.

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I didn't pay that much attention to type-moon till Zero. Unfortunetly my first Type-moon encounter was Tsukihime encounter. I wasn't a huge fan with the original Stay Night adaptation. Since for me my encounter with Type-moon is 50/50.

Tsukihime is great though or wait, did you mean the anime because that one is pretty terrible. The original F/SN was also a horrible adaptation. Really, the only way you can appreciate these is if you read the VN.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:48 am 
 

Yeah, I haven't read the VN's. I'm not really a VN type of guy. The closest thing I got to it was via Monster Girl Quest.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:52 am 
 

Dudemanguy wrote:
Zelkiiro wrote:
Going through the visual novel right now, actually. Just about finished with Unlimited Blade Works.

And aside from Archer, Kirei, and Ayako, it's nonstop infuriating bullshit.

Care to give some examples? I think there are like two questionable things in the VN, but everything else more than makes up for it.

First and foremost, aside from the characters I named, I hate just about everyone. These characters are just so goddamn eye-gougingly annoying, and the dialogue is painful and there's so much of it--even a simple scene that can be boiled down to "Shirou was late coming home because work, and now must make dinner in a hurry amidst Fujimura's grumbling" takes 15 motherfucking minutes. What the fuck.

Special mention goes to Fujimura, by the way, for being hands-down the absolute most intolerable character in the history of fiction. Fucking hell.

I can barely stomach the outrageous sexism present all throughout (though Shirou shouting at Gilgamesh "Don't treat Saber like she's an object!" was probably the funniest thing I've seen all year), up to and including the extremely out-of-place sex scenes. What in the actual fuck are these scenes doing here?! I'll take the 2006 anime adaptation over this horseshit any day--at least there, my intelligence and what little respect I had for Stay Night!Saber wasn't insulted by badly-written brain-dead porn. Yes, boys and girls, the version with the CGI dragon is the superior version. And let's not forget Sakura the Doormat, who seems more like a servant than the actual Servant and has no agency, no free will, no personality, and nothing to remember about her other than her purple hair and big tits. Whoo-hoo. Can't wait to see her in a porno scene. It'll be the most interesting thing she'll ever do, degrading herself for the sake of what I can only hope are rhetorical entities who actually fap to this shit.

The writing is just ass. The Masters don't fight each other; they form a queue, waiting for Shirou, Saber, and Rin to meet them. This isn't a Holy Grail War--it's the Holy Grail Boss Rush Mode. In Fate/Zero, you have Saber vs. Lancer, Rider/Saber vs. Lancer/Berserker, Berserker vs. Archer, Rider vs. Archer, Caster vs. Lancer, Caster vs. Rider, Rider vs. Assassin, and so on; the Masters actually fought each other, because it was a goddamn war. Fate/Stay Night is content to just let everyone fight Saber to the death and that's that, and it sucks. Oh, and there's no strategy ever. We'll just mash our faces across the proverbial keyboard until we win or run away. Again, in Fate/Zero, strategy was a thing! Fake a Servant's death so it can spy on everyone! Create a diversion so Saber will be gone when I storm the building! Use other Masters' Command Seals against them! Transport C'thulhu into a trap! Y'know...strategy!

Actually, Stay Night!Caster is the only character who seems like they have a functioning frontal lobe in this bullshit, because she realizes, "Oh hey, that asshole with the red hair is an amateur mage and has no magic resistance," and hypnotizes the fucker into waltzing into a death trap. Of course the writers pull bullshit out of their ass to save Shirou, but Caster's idea was sound and made sense. Too bad Deus Ex Archer was around to save his ass (only to promptly shove a sword up it a few minutes later because reasons).

The only good things I can say about Fate/Stay Night are that the character designs are fine, the music is memorable if not always appropriate, and...umm...Kirei's voice is cool, I guess?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:56 am 
 

Actually, I think most of what I want to say boils down to, "I can't believe this bollocks still has fans now that the vastly-superior Fate/Zero exists."
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:57 am 
 

Zelkiiro wrote:
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...I think you need to see Carnival Phantasm...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:02 am 
 

PDS wrote:
Zelkiiro wrote:
Ranty Rant

...I think you need to see Carnival Phantasm...

I know I do. The fact that it makes fun of this shit guarantees that it will be therapeutic for me.
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Dudemanguy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:03 am 
 

I'll give a much more appropriate response later as it's the middle of the night and I should really go to bed, but seriously dude? How can anyone misunderstand so many things at once?

I'll just say that interpreting Shirou's initial retardation towards Saber as sexist is absolutely hilarious and completely misses his character (hint: he's actually pretty crazy). How the hell you wound up playing this game without realizing it's an eroge, I'll never know. The funnier part is that you were so outrageously offended by it. Yeah, the porn is poor and not arousing the the slightest (whether or not that's due to the poor translation or the original author is up for debate, of course) although lots of lines are pretty funny, in my opinion. Anyways, they make up an insignificant part of the VN and sex for magic is a really old concept and not surprising at all. By the way the Realta Nua version is all ages you can go play that (and have Heaven's Feel butchered, of course.)

The 5th war isn't obviously a normal war, but to say that everything is "let everybody fight Saber" is just ridiculously wrong, and it shows that you haven't finished the visual novel even more with your comment on Sakura. You said that you're almost done with UBW, but you don't even seem to know who Shirou is which is ridiculous! I almost want to spoil it for you, but I'll let it slide.

In short, you have no idea what you are talking about. I certainly can't stop you from finding characters annoying, misunderstanding so many major things is ridiculous. Are you sure you're reading the thing?

Fate/Stay Night has much more developed characters and concepts than Zero. Zero is a cool action prologue with some development for Waver, Saber and Kerry, but that's about all it is.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:09 am 
 

Dudemanguy wrote:
I'll just say that interpreting Shirou's initial retardation towards Saber as sexist is absolutely hilarious and completely misses his character.

Hate to break it to ya, but there aren't that many ways to interpret "Ohmigawd! Girls shouldn't be using swords! Girls shouldn't be fighting! Stand back, Saber! I'm a man, so I'm the one who will fight! *Berserker cleaves him in half* Oh no! How could this have happened? It's almost as if Servants are more powerful than humans or something! But I still forbid you from fighting, Saber! YOU'RE A GIRL NO FIGHTING FOR YOU WHY DO YOU WANNA FIGHT WHY DON'T YOU DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN FIGHTING I LOVE YOU BUT SRSLY STOP FIGHTING KTHX" before you realize it's appallingly sexist.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:37 am 
 

I hate to break it to you, but you're either an idiot or you didn't read the visual novel. Shirou only treats Saber that way; he never says anything about Rider, Rin or any other woman fighting. It's perfectly understandable to perceive it that way in the middle of the Fate route because you hardly know who Shirou is, but to still have the stupid notion that Shirou is sexist near the end of Unlimited Blade Works? :lol: That just means you're reading without comprehending anything.

Shirou treats Saber differently than everyone else because of his ideals. He literally wants to become a superhero and save people, but he knows he can't save everyone. So in the end, he just wants to see the people around him smiling. In Fate, Shirou gets close to Saber and realizes that Saber is actually a lot like him. She also is extremely self-sacrificing, and he understands that fighting is painful and a burden on her. Basically, Shirou sees Saber suffering everytime she fights, and in his naivety, he wants to fight in her place and sacrifice himself for her so she can be happy and be saved. Obviously, this is hypocritical, the visual novel points that out many times including Saber herself, but that's why Shirou treats her that way in Fate. In Unlimited Blade Works, their relationship is a lot more distant, and Shirou never really interacts with Saber in a meaningful way. In Heaven's feel?
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She gets absorbed by the shadow fairly early on and becomes something else completely.
The whole "you're a girl thing" is just because Shirou is too naive to express how he really feels at first (and he's, of course, infatuated with Saber). He explains himself pretty damn clearly during the bridge scene and that should have dispelled your ridiculous notion right there.

Okay, that's covered so, let's go back and pick some gems from your previous post shall we?

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And let's not forget Sakura the Doormat, who seems more like a servant than the actual Servant and has no agency, no free will, no personality, and nothing to remember about her other than her purple hair and big tits.

You haven't even read Heaven's Feel! This is absolutely hilarious! Didn't you watch Fate/Zero though? It spoils a lot of stuff and shows Sakura in the
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worm pit.
There's plenty to remember about her. Try actually reading the route where she is relevant to the story instead of making up bullshit out of ignorance.

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The writing is just ass. The Masters don't fight each other; they form a queue, waiting for Shirou, Saber, and Rin to meet them.

This isn't even remotely true. Lancer fights every single servant at least once. Berserker fights Assassin and Caster. Gilgamesh fights Berserker. Rider "fights" Caster. Lancer fights Archer again. And there's plenty more. Sure, most of the fights are from Shirou's point of view so there's plenty of stuff that happens off screen, but multiple characters state that it happens. It's like you didn't even read the visual novel.

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Fate/Stay Night is content to just let everyone fight Saber to the death and that's that, and it sucks. Oh, and there's no strategy ever.

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Saber's not even alive in most of Heaven's Feel, and she's trapped by Caster in a good chunk of Unlimited Blade Works. Please don't make up things.


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Again, in Fate/Zero, strategy was a thing! Fake a Servant's death so it can spy on everyone! Create a diversion so Saber will be gone when I storm the building! Use other Masters' Command Seals against them! Transport C'thulhu into a trap! Y'know...strategy!

More nonsense. Rin and Shirou have multiple strategy meetings throughout the novel. They don't just blindly rush into every battle. I feel like you are just expecting Shirou to be the same as Kiritsugu, but his skillset and goals are completely different.

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Of course the writers pull bullshit out of their ass to save Shirou, but Caster's idea was sound and made sense. Too bad Deus Ex Archer was around to save his ass (only to promptly shove a sword up it a few minutes later because reasons).

Jesus christ. It's like you don't realize that
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Archer is Emiya Shirou from the future in a timeline where he actually becomes a superhero and makes a contract with the world.
Of course, Archer would follow Shirou when he sees him blindly walking to his death. The reason why he attacks Shirou is because
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Shirou expresses the same ideal Archer himself had in his lifetime that he grew to detest. At that point, he decides to end Shirou's life himself in hopes that it would cause a big enough contradiction for Gaia to poof them both out of existence because Archer has come to hate his role as a "cleaner" in the Counter Guardians.
You know, you'd realize these things if you read the visual novel.

My suggestion is to just quit now. If you don't realize such obvious things this far into the story, it's not going to get any better for you. There's plenty to complain about, but almost everything you listed is either because you don't understand what you're reading or you didn't actually read it and you're just lying to us all. Whatever the case, you don't know what you're talking about. At all.

Sorry that the spoilers aren't very pretty, but there's really not much I can do about that.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:20 am 
 

PDS wrote:
I've been reading the manga for Terra Formars (not recently though, I'm waiting for the series to end). While it is only 12 eps and it won't do the entire mission I'll watch it for the action.

That intense dot action...
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I'm not dismissing the show, it's pretty interesting so far. But the censorship in it is crazy. I thought I was annoyed at the censorship in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, but this is next-level bad.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:04 pm 
 

^Oh man, I saw some of the edits of that shot. :lol: It was amusing to say the least.

Anybody else watching the second season of psycho pass? I was actually pretty pleased with the first episode. It set everything up pretty well. The opening song is also really cool; I might check out that band.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:22 pm 
 

Wow that's the worst censorship in an anime I've ever seen (from within Japan). Just as bad as Korean dramas censoring just about every product label or knife (are you friggen' kidding me?). Or Japanese por- well you know. AoT got none of that censorship shit, and that was grotesque.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:30 pm 
 

It's funny how much censors differs there than here. Like that jojo episode where Jotaro smoking is censored, but that annoying side character's underage butt gets a slow pan. :lol:

Anime is actually a lot tamer these days. Naked characters usually don't have nipples anymore. It makes me feel cheated sometimes.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:45 pm 
 

Dudemanguy wrote:
It's funny how much censors differs there than here. Like that jojo episode where Jotaro smoking is censored, but that annoying side character's underage butt gets a slow pan. :lol:

Anime is actually a lot tamer these days. Naked characters usually don't have nipples anymore. It makes me feel cheated sometimes.


It depends really, the 80's-90's pulled off the non-sexualized nudity pretty well like with Ranma 1/2 or Fushigi Yugi, (damn, I remember watching Fushigi Yugi on TV and it still had the nipples 'n' shit). In many a fanservice anime, the nipples are added in the Blu-ray releases (The latest one I can think of is Dragonar). Usually if something is going to have nudity, check what shows AT-X is airing as they (90% chance) air the uncensored versions of shows (usually the Fanservice heavy shows like Highschool DxD).

But yeah, that Terra Formars Censorship is bad and i've Seen everything, from magical beams of white light (To Love-Ru), magical corners of darkness (Itsuka Tenma, Another), magical zoom-in shots (Yosuga no Sora, Kampfar), to the placement of a bat mascot with outstretched wings (Rosario+Vampire Capu2)Crunchy Roll is airing Terra Formars uncensored at a later date but iirc they didn't say when.

Also, really it is an affront to censor JoJo. That shit is as much as a Japanese Gem as Ghibli is.
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Saw Tokyo Ghoul. Fine enough, they tried to fuck up the minds of people at the end, good action, bad censorship. The main character annoys me the same way Ikari Shinji did. So loser and wimpy (that's a norm for new anime, it seems).

Also, why the main characters MUST be teenagers? It could have been way better with adults playing them.

I also saw Kaiji 2nd season, One Outs again and Akagi once again. Man, the world needs more anime/manga like that.

Finished the One Outs manga, really really outstanding work.

Finished Shigurui manga. Worst ending ever.

Akagi manga has been struck with Washizu for a year or so. I hope that arc finishes soon to see where Akagi goes next.

Kaiji's manga is pretty consistent in quality. Kazuya's arc is as excruciating as ever.

Started to read Ten. It doesn't start really good but hell, it features Akagi so I'll give it a chance.

Gave up with Berserk. I don't want to read the last stuff released. I'll wait a decade to the end of the damn manga.
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Hunter x Hunter is great. I just finished the ant arc, and oh my god that fucking ending made me cry a little.
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I finished Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders and had to read the manga, can't wait to watch that Jotaro vs Dio fight! I started the 4th arc too, shit just gets better haha! I may also start watching Psycho-Pass only because Yugo Kanno is behind the soundtrack.
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I'm dropping by to say that Toriko is a fucking awesome anime. I love those really outlandish, far out anime. Really, really dig the super over the top nature and overall hilarious good fun that this series brings to the table.
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Why did I wait this long to finally watch Kill la Kill? I got the same feels and the same hype I felt when I first watched Gurren Lagann almost a decade ago, and I loved it every step of the way. Even the "recap episode" was pure unadulterated bliss. Can't fucking wait to watch it again. So much goddamn fun.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:34 pm 
 

Has anybody watch Death Parade yet? It's possible my favorite anime of the new season, I liked the Death Billiards short from a few years ago, I always wanted to know the world they are in, and so far the 2 episodes that have been released have been interesting.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:45 pm 
 

My roommates got me into ghost in the shell last night, as an anime fan not sure why it took me this long to start watching this show. Probably going to check the manga and movies out after I finish the show.

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maidenpriestmanic wrote:
My roommates got me into ghost in the shell last night, as an anime fan not sure why it took me this long to start watching this show. Probably going to check the manga and movies out after I finish the show.

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Zelkiiro wrote:
Why did I wait this long to finally watch Kill la Kill? I got the same feels and the same hype I felt when I first watched Gurren Lagann almost a decade ago, and I loved it every step of the way. Even the "recap episode" was pure unadulterated bliss. Can't fucking wait to watch it again. So much goddamn fun.


Unfortunately, unlike Gurren Lagann, it offers nothing really but caffeine.
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Anime thread..... It's been a long time.....

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So, to get started; couple days ago, I watched a bit of JoJo's Bolognia Arkansas with a friend who's a pretty huge fan of anime. It was..... An experience, to say the least. It was fun, at times, and pretty crazy in a cool way, but the character designs were unbearably stupid to look at and flamboyant to a laughable degree. So, I told him about this, and his answer was to drop DVDs of Trigun, Cowbow Bebop, and Samurai Champloo on my head, telling me about how even people who aren't into anime at all dig these series. And thus here I am, sitting with these DVDs around me, and I'd thought I'd ask MA..... What is the general consensus on this stuff? What can I expect? Sure, I could look up reviews or whatever, but I've come to trust the words of this community, so yeah, shoot.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:32 pm 
 

JoJo is the best thing to happen to anime in years! Big fan, lots of fun with friends. The character designs are bulky and absurd because the manga is from the 80's. Do you want a series that is devoid of a unique look and crazy style? That's part of the charm to JoJo if you ask me. Do you want this shit instead? ... lol.

Trigun isn't bad. It's fairly goofy and episodic until midway in when it gets real, but expect a major cliffhanger because it barely covers the real manga. Bebop is solid but entirely episodic and not the end and be all of anime for me, but the ending is great. I don't care for Samurai Champloo at all. But yes, people who don't care for anime apparently love this stuff along with Akira, which is also just okay, but I'm a big fan of it on an artistic level, cel drawn anime and classic movies like that are a sight to behold visually. But there are many movies I'd put above it.

I can't dog on Trigun too much though, it was one of my first "favorites" back in the Adult Swim days and that was kind of the time when I got more into anime beyond DBZ. Those are some good starters so yeah check them out.

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It's not that I prefer bland visuals, Xeo, it's just that, well..... You can make characters look good without going the Final Fantasy way and have them wear every single piece of clothing they own at the same time. It's just garish and hard to look at, but yeah, guess it's a product of its time. The 80's were not exactly known for their subtlety :lol:

And if it makes you feel any better, I also watched Akira a long time ago and didn't care one bit for it. Yes, it's visually stunning, but that's pretty much all I got from it.

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I've written reviews of Trigun and Cowboy Bebop, myself (shameless plug shameless plug), and they really are two of the biggest "gateway anime" out there. Trigun is the less accessible of the two, but it's got great characters and a tremendously good soundtrack, though the story is pretty bare-bones until the 2/3 mark (where it gets awesome). Overall, it's the more "normal" of the two series, so if you just want a baseline of what kind of story structure your average anime has, Trigun's a pretty good example.

Cowboy Bebop, on the other hand, is pretty instantly accessible and is generally pretty perfect on every front--art, animation, music, writing, pacing, action, theme, tone...it's all top-tier stuff. Most episodes are pretty stand-alone, so you can skip around if you really want to, but each one has its own theme; sometimes you get a film noir, other times you get a kung-fu flick, or a trippy Blaxploitation flick, or an Alien parody, or a gritty revenge flick...it has it all. I can count the number of people who dislike this series on one hand, and I've been part of the anime community for, like, 17 years. Probably the most popular and influential anime ever made.

Samurai Champloo, though, I can't really comment on. Haven't seen it, and don't really have any desire to. Tread carefully.

Some other "beginner" or "gateway" anime you might want to check out include...

- Gurren Lagann. Excellent mecha anime that doesn't take itself too seriously (or at all) with fun characters and great action.
- Monster. It's pretty long (74 episodes) and a bit hammy at times, but it's a fantastic thriller reminiscent of The Fugitive, but with a doctor protagonist.
- Death Note. Do you like cat-and-mouse thrillers? Do you like excessive bombast? Do you want your anime to excrete money? Then look no further.
- Fruits Basket and/or Azumanga Daioh. This is slice-of-life anime done right, and both are very funny.
- Fullmetal Alchemist, 2003 or Brotherhood. Take your pick. I like the latter a bit more, but you can't go wrong with either one.
- Now and Then, Here and There. The first episode is deceptive as hell, and then you're on-board the Existential Despair Express.
- Berserk. Because of course you should watch it. It's brutal, it's gritty, and it's low-budget in the most awesome way.
- Hajime no Ippo. Also a long series at 74 episodes, but it (and Chihayafuru) is the best sports anime ever made. If you must only see one (or two), there you go.
- FLCL. Because fuck logic and reason.
- Vision of Escaflowne. It's a classic, and the hand-drawn animation still looks great to this day.
- Outlaw Star. Because if you're gonna watch Trigun and Cowboy Bebop, you might as well complete the "Outer-Space-Western Anime Made in 1998" trilogy.
- Fate/Zero. Because this is my list and fuck you, it's my favorite anime, therefore you must watch it.

That should keep you busy for...ever.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:59 pm 
 

Fate/Zero your favorite? Holy shit balls!

I'll give my blessings to Zelkiiro's list there for the most part (as if he asked? :P). In addition to Outlaw Star (if you like Bebop/Trigun), you could also go for Gungrave, Black Lagoon, maybe some Hellsing Ultimate. I'm a sucker for the action/guns shows, seems like they're all easy to get into if you like a few of them.

It's hard for me to recommend things for newbies thesedays. I'm so knee deep into anime it's just a blur now. I say stick to some genres you feel are your safe zones and go from there. For me it was sci-fi and for whatever reason, I absolutely loved robots growing up so low and behold, mecha was a very easy genre for me to dive into when I did years ago. Now the rest is history and there's to much to talk about, it is a massive medium on its own and has everything you could ever think of, including tentacles.

So yeah, I'd say just bookmark Zelkiiro's list there or something. There are some of my top favorites on that list, but if I absolutely had to pick one from there... it would be Ippo probably. Legitimately one of the funniest shows I've seen, the animation is always amazing, killer music, fights that make DBZ look like a joke, and amazing character development, it's the full package.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:10 pm 
 

Xeogred wrote:
Fate/Zero your favorite? Holy shit balls!

Is it that surprising? :???:
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Zelkiiro wrote:
I've written reviews of Trigun and Cowboy Bebop, myself (shameless plug shameless plug), and they really are two of the biggest "gateway anime" out there. Trigun is the less accessible of the two, but it's got great characters and a tremendously good soundtrack, though the story is pretty bare-bones until the 2/3 mark (where it gets awesome). Overall, it's the more "normal" of the two series, so if you just want a baseline of what kind of story structure your average anime has, Trigun's a pretty good example.

Cowboy Bebop, on the other hand, is pretty instantly accessible and is generally pretty perfect on every front--art, animation, music, writing, pacing, action, theme, tone...it's all top-tier stuff. Most episodes are pretty stand-alone, so you can skip around if you really want to, but each one has its own theme; sometimes you get a film noir, other times you get a kung-fu flick, or a trippy Blaxploitation flick, or an Alien parody, or a gritty revenge flick...it has it all. I can count the number of people who dislike this series on one hand, and I've been part of the anime community for, like, 17 years. Probably the most popular and influential anime ever made.

Samurai Champloo, though, I can't really comment on. Haven't seen it, and don't really have any desire to. Tread carefully.

Some other "beginner" or "gateway" anime you might want to check out include...

- Gurren Lagann. Excellent mecha anime that doesn't take itself too seriously (or at all) with fun characters and great action.
- Monster. It's pretty long (74 episodes) and a bit hammy at times, but it's a fantastic thriller reminiscent of The Fugitive, but with a doctor protagonist.
- Death Note. Do you like cat-and-mouse thrillers? Do you like excessive bombast? Do you want your anime to excrete money? Then look no further.
- Fruits Basket and/or Azumanga Daioh. This is slice-of-life anime done right, and both are very funny.
- Fullmetal Alchemist, 2003 or Brotherhood. Take your pick. I like the latter a bit more, but you can't go wrong with either one.
- Now and Then, Here and There. The first episode is deceptive as hell, and then you're on-board the Existential Despair Express.
- Berserk. Because of course you should watch it. It's brutal, it's gritty, and it's low-budget in the most awesome way.
- Hajime no Ippo. Also a long series at 74 episodes, but it (and Chihayafuru) is the best sports anime ever made. If you must only see one (or two), there you go.
- FLCL. Because fuck logic and reason.
- Vision of Escaflowne. It's a classic, and the hand-drawn animation still looks great to this day.
- Outlaw Star. Because if you're gonna watch Trigun and Cowboy Bebop, you might as well complete the "Outer-Space-Western Anime Made in 1998" trilogy.
- Fate/Zero. Because this is my list and fuck you, it's my favorite anime, therefore you must watch it.


Hi Zelkiiro. I've been watching much more anime than I used to lately, and Fate/Zero is a series that stuck with me even when I've finished and moved onto other ones. From reading a few pages of this thread I've interpreted that you enjoy Fate/Zero but do not like the rest of the series.

I greatly enjoyed the action and plot of this anime and was wondering if you would recommend any other anime with similar quality of action/plot.

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Xlxlx wrote:
Anime thread..... It's been a long time.....

*cue whistling Western music*

So, to get started; couple days ago, I watched a bit of JoJo's Bolognia Arkansas with a friend who's a pretty huge fan of anime. It was..... An experience, to say the least. It was fun, at times, and pretty crazy in a cool way, but the character designs were unbearably stupid to look at and flamboyant to a laughable degree. So, I told him about this, and his answer was to drop DVDs of Trigun, Cowbow Bebop, and Samurai Champloo on my head, telling me about how even people who aren't into anime at all dig these series. And thus here I am, sitting with these DVDs around me, and I'd thought I'd ask MA..... What is the general consensus on this stuff? What can I expect? Sure, I could look up reviews or whatever, but I've come to trust the words of this community, so yeah, shoot.

Cowboy Bebop is good, Samurai Champloo is meh, and Trigun is bad. imo.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:57 pm 
 

As a guy who never really watches all that much anime: Cowboy Bebop is pretty much universally well regarded for a reason. If there's any complaint I have, it's that, while I do like that the other major characters are all well developed with intricate backstories, I remember there being like a six episode stretch where it went Faye - Jet - Ed - Jet - Faye - Ed or something to that effect. Just feels weird to have the main character of your series have almost nothing to do for half a season. Other than that, yes, it's great.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:49 pm 
 

Well, as it's the least talked about here, I decided to do it the hipster way and binged on Samurai Champloo for the past few hours. I like it quite a bit, and the mix of Edo period action and Western hip hop culture works strangely well, mostly because it's not overtly in your face about it. Having ancient Yakuza speak with gangsta lingo makes a weird sort of sense :lol:

One gripe I have is with just how boring Jin is as one of the main characters. I don't know, maybe I'm just not a fan of the "cool, collected, ultra-skilled and arrogant" archetype, but he strikes me as generally pretty dull and as merely a foil for Mugen, who while still rather stereotypical as far as main characters go (you know the type; rude, violent, but seemingly a good person deep inside), is at least amusing to watch. Granted, I just finished the seventh episode, so he might shine as a character later on.

After being done with this, I'll go for Cowboy Bebop. Oh, and Zelk; holy shit that's a long list :lol: You see, mate, I'm not really trying to get into anime as it is. Just watching this stuff on a friend's rec, but I'll still write that list down as Xeo suggested. You never know.....


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:51 pm 
 

*stomps on xl's post*

Samurai Champloo is in my top 3 anime. I absolutely love the visuals, the breath given to each episode, and the characters. It's slick action with a plot that you know going in is a temporary piece of life shared by the three main characters. They are who they are and for this stretch of time they're together, bound to each other through will whether caring or not. It to me served as a major transition from the anime I had watched up to that point. Personally if I had a stake in your future watchings, xl, go for Darker than Black as well. It's got mindfuckery for the second season but by in large I absolutely adore the series.
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